F10 M5 Review after 2 years
Discussion
bmwmike said:
Elysium said:
M5 London said:
If you are in Manual Mode in say 7th at 50 mph and you suddenly want maximum acceleration. Floor the throttle past the kickdown detent and simultaneously pull the gearshift DOWN paddle or gear shift lever forward and it will immediately put you into the lowest gear possible, for the road speed, to give you instant maximum acceleration. Saves you having to click the gearbox down 4 times repeatedly to say 3rd from 7th.
Just wanted to say thanks for this info. I did not realise it did this. I find that I very rarely use kick down as to do so requires significant throttle input in a high gear. When you do this, the point at which it downshifts and the power hits, is unpredictable, which can increase the wheelspin. I also find that the link between the throttle input and acceleration can feel a bit 'laggy'.
Despite this the car is still quick in 7th gear, so you have probably used up the available gap in traffic before it changes down.
You can improve this by using the more aggressive gearbox settings in drive, but then the car does not change up quickly when you back off and you use more fuel when cruising.
The alternative is to use the paddles to go into manual, select the gear you want and then punch it. However, because the gearbox is sequential, that requires multiple changes.
This trick gives you instant manual kick down, exactly when you want it.
The F10 M5 has a lot of quirks and I like the fact that it takes quite some time to work out how to get the best from it.
Welshbeef said:
How odd that 130k M5 F10 which was £19.6k has suddenly jumped in asking price to £20.9k!!!
Given the G30 M5 is out and the volume of M5’s sub £30k is fairly decent I’m at a loss as to why it’s increased by 6.7%
What year was it, out of interest?Given the G30 M5 is out and the volume of M5’s sub £30k is fairly decent I’m at a loss as to why it’s increased by 6.7%
I have put 82k miles on a 2015 LCI car and plan to keep it for a while yet... so am interested to see how values fare for mega-high mileage examples.
theboss said:
What year was it, out of interest?
I have put 82k miles on a 2015 LCI car and plan to keep it for a while yet... so am interested to see how values fare for mega-high mileage examples.
It’s a 61 reg. I have put 82k miles on a 2015 LCI car and plan to keep it for a while yet... so am interested to see how values fare for mega-high mileage examples.
However it’s been for sale for - well I’m sure I saw it on ATrader before Xmas. So it’s being advertised but simply not shifting.
Welshbeef said:
Had a good look at an M5 today it’s kind of verified it’s the car I want.
Pic attached only downside is colour of the leather I love the white v black plus it’s a non powered rear boot plus no ski bag/through load system.
Otherwise brand new rubber discs pads and a really nice option list.
No powered boot? Are you sure? I thought that was standard on the M5...Pic attached only downside is colour of the leather I love the white v black plus it’s a non powered rear boot plus no ski bag/through load system.
Otherwise brand new rubber discs pads and a really nice option list.
BMWBen said:
Welshbeef said:
Had a good look at an M5 today it’s kind of verified it’s the car I want.
Pic attached only downside is colour of the leather I love the white v black plus it’s a non powered rear boot plus no ski bag/through load system.
Otherwise brand new rubber discs pads and a really nice option list.
No powered boot? Are you sure? I thought that was standard on the M5...Pic attached only downside is colour of the leather I love the white v black plus it’s a non powered rear boot plus no ski bag/through load system.
Otherwise brand new rubber discs pads and a really nice option list.
bmwmike said:
What happens if you floor the throttle to the kickdown button but don't simultaneously pull the down paddle? Kickdown normally selects the lowest gear for maximum acceleration anyway so I'm curious why the need to move the paddle at the same time.
Yes if your in Drive Mode (D) it will kickdown to the lowest possible gear when you pass the kickdown detent on the throttle.However it will not do this in Manual Mode. You would simply get maximum acceleration in the current chosen gear, even if you go past the kickdown point. So it would simply give, for example, max throttle in 7th gear and if you are at 50 mph....not that great acceleration.
But if you simultaneously pull the gear lever DOWN at kickdown throttle position, it will drop several gears instantly, rather than you having to click down repeatedly several times to get into 3rd on the shifter lever / paddle. This is all for use in Manual mode.
M5 London said:
Yes if you're in Drive Mode (D) it will kickdown to the lowest possible gear when you pass the kickdown detent on the throttle.
However it will not do this in Manual Mode. You would simply get maximum acceleration in the current chosen gear, even if you go past the kickdown point. So it would simply give, for example, max throttle in 7th gear and if you are at 50 mph....not that great acceleration.
But if you simultaneously pull the gear lever DOWN at kickdown throttle position, it will drop several gears instantly, rather than you having to click down repeatedly several times to get into 3rd on the shifter lever / paddle. This is all for use in Manual mode.
However it will not do this in Manual Mode. You would simply get maximum acceleration in the current chosen gear, even if you go past the kickdown point. So it would simply give, for example, max throttle in 7th gear and if you are at 50 mph....not that great acceleration.
But if you simultaneously pull the gear lever DOWN at kickdown throttle position, it will drop several gears instantly, rather than you having to click down repeatedly several times to get into 3rd on the shifter lever / paddle. This is all for use in Manual mode.
likesachange said:
Opening isn't powered as such standard spec, Its more of pressing the button on fob and it releases catch allowing boot to gently spring open itself.
You had to spec fully powered opening and closing of the boot, think it was included on comfort access?
Power boot is a separate option.You had to spec fully powered opening and closing of the boot, think it was included on comfort access?
Comfort access allows you to open the boot (by waving your foot under the rear bumper).
I know, as my car had comfort access and I did not spec the £500 option for power boot when I ordered it..
As standard you can open the boot from keyfob and it will open (its not powered though).
Cheers
Steve
M5 London said:
bmwmike said:
What happens if you floor the throttle to the kickdown button but don't simultaneously pull the down paddle? Kickdown normally selects the lowest gear for maximum acceleration anyway so I'm curious why the need to move the paddle at the same time.
Yes if your in Drive Mode (D) it will kickdown to the lowest possible gear when you pass the kickdown detent on the throttle.However it will not do this in Manual Mode. You would simply get maximum acceleration in the current chosen gear, even if you go past the kickdown point. So it would simply give, for example, max throttle in 7th gear and if you are at 50 mph....not that great acceleration.
But if you simultaneously pull the gear lever DOWN at kickdown throttle position, it will drop several gears instantly, rather than you having to click down repeatedly several times to get into 3rd on the shifter lever / paddle. This is all for use in Manual mode.
bmwmike said:
Ahh OK thanks. That's what I was missing. I have a zf8 at the moment and that WILL kickdown in manual, assumed the DCT did too hence my confusion.
If in Manual mode in ZF8 it will not downshift unless your going too slowly for the gear likewise it will not shift up when you hit rev limiter. If in D comfort or DS sort of DS+ Sport + and have it in D not manual it will drop down hard to lowest possible gear to select even if it’s only a few hundred rpm left in that gear before rev limit
hertfordshire1 said:
Power boot is a separate option.
Comfort access allows you to open the boot (by waving your foot under the rear bumper).
I know, as my car had comfort access and I did not spec the £500 option for power boot when I ordered it..
As standard you can open the boot from keyfob and it will open (its not powered though).
Cheers
Steve
I only found out after i'd had the car about 18mths that you could close the boot from the fob (i had the Powered Bootlid option) by holding the opening button down for a few secondsComfort access allows you to open the boot (by waving your foot under the rear bumper).
I know, as my car had comfort access and I did not spec the £500 option for power boot when I ordered it..
As standard you can open the boot from keyfob and it will open (its not powered though).
Cheers
Steve
All this talk of powered boots makes me jealous, I wouldn’t mind but it’s practically impossible to pull the boot lid down and close it with the grab handle inside the boot, the strength of resistance means I always need to push it down to close. Kind of annoying but not £500 worth of annoying to remedy. My solution to minimise this irk is to not use the boot
An issue with the powered boot though is when you have the car washed they don’t know it’s powered so force it open and closed.
Ditto car shares opening the boot
Ditto HNrC stop and check the car.
Ditto main dealer.
So my boot power setup failed ( it covered by the oem warranty) due to that kind of over use.
Another Hing is if it’s frozen closed and you accidentally press the button it forces out and eventually bangs open when it breaks the ice seal. I think it freezes hard closed on the rubber to the back window to the bootlid.
Ditto car shares opening the boot
Ditto HNrC stop and check the car.
Ditto main dealer.
So my boot power setup failed ( it covered by the oem warranty) due to that kind of over use.
Another Hing is if it’s frozen closed and you accidentally press the button it forces out and eventually bangs open when it breaks the ice seal. I think it freezes hard closed on the rubber to the back window to the bootlid.
Welshbeef said:
bmwmike said:
Ahh OK thanks. That's what I was missing. I have a zf8 at the moment and that WILL kickdown in manual, assumed the DCT did too hence my confusion.
If in Manual mode in ZF8 it will not downshift unless your going too slowly for the gear likewise it will not shift up when you hit rev limiter. The 530i is quick to get into hi double digit trouble speeds I can't imagine what the m5 is like. Yum!
bmwmike said:
Welshbeef said:
bmwmike said:
Ahh OK thanks. That's what I was missing. I have a zf8 at the moment and that WILL kickdown in manual, assumed the DCT did too hence my confusion.
If in Manual mode in ZF8 it will not downshift unless your going too slowly for the gear likewise it will not shift up when you hit rev limiter. The 530i is quick to get into hi double digit trouble speeds I can't imagine what the m5 is like. Yum!
To be honest, I’m not talking 911T or similar but good ‘quick’ normal cars
7.7 to 100mph is fecking fast in anyone’s books. The way it accelerates from day 60 or 70 upwards is simply astonishing.
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stuff about gearbox and changing down in F10 M5
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Tried this on the way to work this morning, results of my entirely unscientific test;
Full auto mode, 40 mph and it changed its way up to 6th, push throttle hard, but not to the floor, box changed down to 3rd and all hell breaks loose...
Manual mode, 40 mph and I have changed up to 6th, push throttle hard, car starts to accelerate but doesn't change down, just gathers pace.
stuff about gearbox and changing down in F10 M5
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Tried this on the way to work this morning, results of my entirely unscientific test;
Full auto mode, 40 mph and it changed its way up to 6th, push throttle hard, but not to the floor, box changed down to 3rd and all hell breaks loose...
Manual mode, 40 mph and I have changed up to 6th, push throttle hard, car starts to accelerate but doesn't change down, just gathers pace.
skeeterm5 said:
bmwmike said:
Yes it does. I just tested it out. 60mph in manual 8th gear, floor it pressing the kickdown button and it drops to 3rd (IIRC!) holding 3rd to redline then it shifts to 4th by which point I'm braking anyway because I was on an A road.
The 530i is quick to get into hi double digit trouble speeds I can't imagine what the m5 is like. Yum!
Tried this on the way to work this morning, results of my entirely unscientific test;The 530i is quick to get into hi double digit trouble speeds I can't imagine what the m5 is like. Yum!
Full auto mode, 40 mph and it changed its way up to 6th, push throttle hard, but not to the floor, box changed down to 3rd and all hell breaks loose...
Manual mode, 40 mph and I have changed up to 6th, push throttle hard, car starts to accelerate but doesn't change down, just gathers pace.
The M5 has plenty of torque and likewise when driving a stick shift you don’t drop it like it hot into the lowest possible gear each and every time you want to make progress no most of the time i is enjoying that wall of torque which is then overtaken by power and the engine note gardens and bellows then screams into a crescendo.
God I miss a good petrol. Diesel whilst you can have plenty of fun it’s just siege and surge until about 125mph then it abates it’s rare of surging
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