Chris Harris Drives the 1M and M2
Discussion
Max Maxasson said:
f430hunter said:
One thing thats certain guys the 1m is an icon and i guarantee the m2 will become one also,they will initially dip in value over next 2 years to around 30k ish and there slowly rise
I don't think either the 1m or m2 are ever going to be called iconic...but low production numbers nay help the long term values.Andy OH said:
I think you're wrong. The 1M is an icon and will always be, hence the prices they are commanding. There will never be anything like it again.
Its a 1500kg 1 series with a turbo engine...how is that ever going to be iconic.Its holding its money because they imported 450.
If they had imported 8000 they would fetch nothing special money.
Andy OH said:
Max Maxasson said:
f430hunter said:
One thing thats certain guys the 1m is an icon and i guarantee the m2 will become one also,they will initially dip in value over next 2 years to around 30k ish and there slowly rise
I don't think either the 1m or m2 are ever going to be called iconic...but low production numbers nay help the long term values.Audi sold their limited RS3 out quicker than the 1M. Those values didn't rocket did they?
Rarity has certainly pushed values for the 1m, however there is no argument it's fabulous, full of character, laugh out loud fun, devious, brilliance, retro, valuable and an icon!!!!!
V8A*ndy said:
Rarity has certainly pushed values for the 1m, however there is no argument it's fabulous, full of character, laugh out loud fun, devious, brilliance, retro, valuable and an icon!!!!!
I'm a big fan of the 1M and I'd gladly have another. But you need to set your definition of "icon" pretty low for the 1M to make the grade. Gruber said:
V8A*ndy said:
Rarity has certainly pushed values for the 1m, however there is no argument it's fabulous, full of character, laugh out loud fun, devious, brilliance, retro, valuable and an icon!!!!!
I'm a big fan of the 1M and I'd gladly have another. But you need to set your definition of "icon" pretty low for the 1M to make the grade. It's a very worthy iconic BMW for what it achieved for BMW. What other BMW currently gets talked about so much?
BMW brought the M2 on the back of the 1Ms success. It made the idea of a Turbo M car acceptable. If the 1M had flopped or was received badly I doubt the M2 would have ever happened.
V8A*ndy said:
We are talking BMWs here and at the time a not so unachievable purchase of a BMW. They weren't mega mega bucks like some of BMWs "limited" models and they were not snapped up that quickly either. It wasn't until Clarkson did some silly burnouts on an airstrip that the cars were then snapped up.
It's a very worthy iconic BMW for what it achieved for BMW. What other BMW currently gets talked about so much?
BMW brought the M2 on the back of the 1Ms success. It made the idea of a Turbo M car acceptable. If the 1M had flopped or was received badly I doubt the M2 would have ever happened.
I'm not saying it wasn't a good car, an interesting car or an important car for BMW. I'm just saying that you and I seem to have quite different definitions of "iconic".It's a very worthy iconic BMW for what it achieved for BMW. What other BMW currently gets talked about so much?
BMW brought the M2 on the back of the 1Ms success. It made the idea of a Turbo M car acceptable. If the 1M had flopped or was received badly I doubt the M2 would have ever happened.
Max Maxasson said:
I get the entertainment value (although the format is getting really old)...but every CH video is the same: basically watch how great I am at drifting. As a car review its a total waste of pixels.
If I was in the market for an new car, his videos are not going to help me at all...seems like a missed opportunity to stow his ego for 5 minutes and mix in some info on what it would be like to own an M2.
But hey maybe its just me.
CH's usual self-indulgent rubbish, the only difference now is BBC licence holders are funding his efforts. That grates.If I was in the market for an new car, his videos are not going to help me at all...seems like a missed opportunity to stow his ego for 5 minutes and mix in some info on what it would be like to own an M2.
But hey maybe its just me.
Andy OH said:
I think you're wrong. The 1M is an icon and will always be, hence the prices they are commanding. There will never be anything like it again.
Well except the M2, hence the comparison video.Icon is a bit strong it's a fun little M car, the prices they command are a result of the limited production run and the usual suspects trying to make a few bob.
Max Maxasson said:
Clearly we have totally different ideas about what makes a car iconic.
When you look at the sort of cars that have achieved iconic status, a souped up 1 series just doesn't cut it.
When you look at the sort of cars that have achieved iconic status, a souped up 1 series just doesn't cut it.
Gruber said:
V8A*ndy said:
Rarity has certainly pushed values for the 1m, however there is no argument it's fabulous, full of character, laugh out loud fun, devious, brilliance, retro, valuable and an icon!!!!!
I'm a big fan of the 1M and I'd gladly have another. But you need to set your definition of "icon" pretty low for the 1M to make the grade. plenty said:
Be interested in you chaps' definition of iconic. IMO the 1M and the E46 CSL are the two most iconic BMWs since the E30 M3. Or is the CSL just a souped-up 3-series?
If we're being honest all of them are just souped up shopping cars...very good shopping cars though don't get me wrong. plenty said:
Max Maxasson said:
Clearly we have totally different ideas about what makes a car iconic.
When you look at the sort of cars that have achieved iconic status, a souped up 1 series just doesn't cut it.
When you look at the sort of cars that have achieved iconic status, a souped up 1 series just doesn't cut it.
Gruber said:
V8A*ndy said:
Rarity has certainly pushed values for the 1m, however there is no argument it's fabulous, full of character, laugh out loud fun, devious, brilliance, retro, valuable and an icon!!!!!
I'm a big fan of the 1M and I'd gladly have another. But you need to set your definition of "icon" pretty low for the 1M to make the grade. Icon to me means something to be venerated - to be put on a pedestal and hero-worshipped. Insofar as a car is capable of achieving that sort of status, it needs to be genuinely special - a la Ferrari F40, Lambo Countache, Bugatti Veyron, Mk1 Golf GTI etc. We'll all have our own thoughts on what makes the grade.
I'd say the original M1, the e30 M3 and the e28 M5 are the closest to being icons in the modern era (last 40 years) of BMWs. The M1 really kick-started the whole M-power thing and even today has a place on the bedroom wall of any self-respecting petrol head. The e30 M3 was a motorsport legend and amazing steer even by today's standards. The e28 M5 was the first proper super-saloon, first put supercar performance into accessible 4-door form, and spawned generations of offspring across all the major marques,
Don't mishear / misread me. I think the e46 CSL is an amazing bit of kit and I will probably forever regret missing the boat on one. But I don't think it being a very special car makes it an icon. And I think the 1M is a little further down the pecking order than the e46 CSL.
All IMHO, obvs.
Mr Gearchange said:
Yeah - of course you can turn the traction off and generate a bit of a slip angle on a greasy road - and that's all very good fun, I went out today expressly to do that round the roundabouts of Milton Keynes.
But if you are fully crossed up on the lockstops with smoking tyres on the road you're going to have a massive accident or get banned and on a trackday you'll just get flagged.
Ergo these video's concentrate on the type of driving only journalists on empty circuits can indulge in.
Not true. There are a number of trackdays you can attend which don't mind some drifting. See chris dedication blog video for example in his r8.But if you are fully crossed up on the lockstops with smoking tyres on the road you're going to have a massive accident or get banned and on a trackday you'll just get flagged.
Ergo these video's concentrate on the type of driving only journalists on empty circuits can indulge in.
antspants said:
plenty said:
Be interested in you chaps' definition of iconic. IMO the 1M and the E46 CSL are the two most iconic BMWs since the E30 M3.
You've qualified your statement nicely compared to others, it's an iconic BMW but not necessarily an iconic car when judged against all. Gruber said:
I'd say the original M1, the e30 M3 and the e28 M5 are the closest to being icons in the modern era
And agree again...damn, just when I was spoiling for an argument and all.
xjay1337 said:
The 1m had far more character imo.
M2 has an awful and i mean awful driving position as a manual.
Pedals are 1ft offset. Not acceptable
1ft offset? What complete BS.M2 has an awful and i mean awful driving position as a manual.
Pedals are 1ft offset. Not acceptable
I've done thousands of miles in my M2 and there is nothing wrong with the driving position. I did once notice that the seat is slightly off-centre and then I forgot about it
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