Is the m140/240 considered an M car?

[jetbox]

Just wondering?

[sutts]

No.

In a similar way that an Audi S4 is not an RS4.

[hajaba123]

not in a million years

[MWM3]

[jetbox]

Got it.... maybe I should rephrase that to is it M powered, as in falling under this section of the forum?

[HoHoHo]

FFS, not again.....

[Billy_Whizzzz]

No. Its not an M car and doesn't fall under the M Power section. And I say this as an owner of an M140i (and also a proper M car) . That doesn't mean they're not good. But M cars are:

M1
M2
M3
M4
M5
M6
M635i
Z3M
Z4M
1M (only just, however good it is)

Not included:
M535i
M140i/240i

[HoHoHo]

Billy_Whizzzz said:

No. Its not an M car and doesn't fall under the M Power section. And I say this as an owner of an M140i (and also a proper M car) . That doesn't mean they're not good. But M cars are:

M1
M2
M3
M4
M5
M6
M635i
Z3M
Z4M
1M (only just, however good it is)

Not included:
M535i
M140i/240i
X5 M50D

One more added that I have (having had a proper M previously )

[Driver101]

Billy_Whizzzz said:

No. Its not an M car and doesn't fall under the M Power section. And I say this as an owner of an M140i (and also a proper M car) . That doesn't mean they're not good. But M cars are:

M1
M2
M3
M4
M5
M6
M635i
Z3M
Z4M
1M (only just, however good it is)

Not included:
M535i
M140i/240i

Why is the 1M only just?

[Billy_Whizzzz]

Driver101 said:

Why is the 1M only just?

Doesn't have an M engine - in same way that M140i doesn't.

[Digitalize]

No S engine no M car.

[Driver101]

Billy_Whizzzz said:

Driver101 said:

Why is the 1M only just?

Doesn't have an M engine - in same way that M140i doesn't.

The M2 isn't an M engine either.

[Billy_Whizzzz]

Driver101 said:

The M2 isn't an M engine either.

True. But it's properly breathed on with M parts - whereas the 1M wasn't much different from the 335

[Lites]

Lights on the rev counter that go out as the car warms up = M Car

Seriously, who cares? Just enjoy the cars for what they are! This and all the rest of the threads should be stickied the amount of times they come up

[Leins]

I have always viewed the E12 M535i as an M-car, along with the 850CSi. Same with the 530MLE (the first M road-car) & E23 745i for the South African market

[MOTK]

Billy_Whizzzz said:

True. But it's properly breathed on with M parts - whereas the 1M wasn't much different from the 335

I think the Z4 35is had the same/identical turbo donkey as well? ETA: admittedly it did sound rather good in that recent 1MvsM2 comparison CH did, albeit it with a fancy exhaust.

As for the suggestion that the X50M diesel should be considered as a true M car
Marketing men say

Edited by MOTK on Tuesday 6th December 00:29

[Billy_Whizzzz]

MOTK said:

I think the Z4 35is had the same/identical turbo donkey as well? ETA: admittedly it did sound rather good in that recent 1MvsM2 comparison CH did, albeit it with a fancy exhaust.

Edited by MOTK on Tuesday 6th December 00:29

Yes correct - the 1M shared its engine with the Z4 35is. And that certainly isn't an M car. And an M car should have an engine that ideally has an S number (M2 and 1M aside) and isn't shared with another non M (1M aside). Confusing for many people isn't it! Particularly with the M635i being an M car but the M535i not!

[Driver101]

The N54 was a a rather good engine and what BMW opted for when the N55 was available.

It was also the choice for Alpina for their B3 GT3.

[bennyboysvuk]

Billy_Whizzzz said:

True. But it's properly breathed on with M parts - whereas the 1M wasn't much different from the 335

Except for the massive hike in front and rear track compared to the body width and the fantastic E92 LSD and thicker ARBs to suit. That makes a huge difference.

IMO, without an LSD, a BMW is nothing.

[Output Flange]

Digitalize said:

No S engine no M car.

My M5 doesn't have an 'S' engine. Pretty sure it's still an M car though.