Is the m140/240 considered an M car?
Discussion
Billy_Whizzzz said:
No. Its not an M car and doesn't fall under the M Power section. And I say this as an owner of an M140i (and also a proper M car) . That doesn't mean they're not good. But M cars are:
M1
M2
M3
M4
M5
M6
M635i
Z3M
Z4M
1M (only just, however good it is)
Not included:
M535i
M140i/240i
What about the X5M and X6M (the proper petrol versions)? I know these are controversial but they are proper M carsM1
M2
M3
M4
M5
M6
M635i
Z3M
Z4M
1M (only just, however good it is)
Not included:
M535i
M140i/240i
Lites said:
Lights on the rev counter that go out as the car warms up = M Car 
My X5 4.8is had those too...that means I've had 3 proper M cars then! 
The M2 isn't really a proper M car as it's just a M235i with bigger brakes and a LSD for me.
As others have said it just doesn't really matter and just buy a car you like and enjoy it.
It's a hard one. I guess other brands have sports marques and out and out marques including:
Ford's XR to the RS, where XR became the ST.
Audi's S to the RS
Peugeot's XSi and SRi monikers next to the GTIs and Mi's/
The BMW nomenclature is a little more confusing I guess the Ms previously were for the pinnacle of what BMW were making. I would say the M*** are M cars since they were just that. The X*Ms are a tricky one but I reckon just make the cut. However, I wouldn't say the M Sports are for that matter, as much as the man in his 318d M Sport wants to think so.
Off the list however was an 850CSi. Not technically an M car but certainly is by the root of its components. S derived engine and quite a few differences over the road going 850i & Ci. I do almost wonder why it wasn't call that and if an M8 was in the pipeline what it would have been.
M1
M2
M3
M4
M5
M6
M635i
Z3M
Z4M
1M (only just, however good it is)
850CSi
Not included:
M535i
M140i/240i
But as said, you like it that's what matters. I wouldn't be unhappy in an M140i or 240i for that matter.
Ford's XR to the RS, where XR became the ST.
Audi's S to the RS
Peugeot's XSi and SRi monikers next to the GTIs and Mi's/
The BMW nomenclature is a little more confusing I guess the Ms previously were for the pinnacle of what BMW were making. I would say the M*** are M cars since they were just that. The X*Ms are a tricky one but I reckon just make the cut. However, I wouldn't say the M Sports are for that matter, as much as the man in his 318d M Sport wants to think so.
Off the list however was an 850CSi. Not technically an M car but certainly is by the root of its components. S derived engine and quite a few differences over the road going 850i & Ci. I do almost wonder why it wasn't call that and if an M8 was in the pipeline what it would have been.
M1
M2
M3
M4
M5
M6
M635i
Z3M
Z4M
1M (only just, however good it is)
850CSi
Not included:
M535i
M140i/240i
But as said, you like it that's what matters. I wouldn't be unhappy in an M140i or 240i for that matter.
SebringMan said:
It's a hard one. I guess other brands have sports marques and out and out marques including:
Ford's XR to the RS, where XR became the ST.
Audi's S to the RS
Peugeot's XSi and SRi monikers next to the GTIs and Mi's/
The BMW nomenclature is a little more confusing I guess the Ms previously were for the pinnacle of what BMW were making. I would say the M*** are M cars since they were just that. The X*Ms are a tricky one but I reckon just make the cut. However, I wouldn't say the M Sports are for that matter, as much as the man in his 318d M Sport wants to think so.
Off the list however was an 850CSi. Not technically an M car but certainly is by the root of its components. S derived engine and quite a few differences over the road going 850i & Ci. I do almost wonder why it wasn't call that and if an M8 was in the pipeline what it would have been.
M1
M2
M3
M4
M5
M6
M635i
Z3M
Z4M
1M (only just, however good it is)
850CSi
Not included:
M535i
M140i/240i
X5 M50D
But as said, you like it that's what matters. I wouldn't be unhappy in an M140i or 240i for that matter.
You missed out the X5 M50D again Ford's XR to the RS, where XR became the ST.
Audi's S to the RS
Peugeot's XSi and SRi monikers next to the GTIs and Mi's/
The BMW nomenclature is a little more confusing I guess the Ms previously were for the pinnacle of what BMW were making. I would say the M*** are M cars since they were just that. The X*Ms are a tricky one but I reckon just make the cut. However, I wouldn't say the M Sports are for that matter, as much as the man in his 318d M Sport wants to think so.
Off the list however was an 850CSi. Not technically an M car but certainly is by the root of its components. S derived engine and quite a few differences over the road going 850i & Ci. I do almost wonder why it wasn't call that and if an M8 was in the pipeline what it would have been.
M1
M2
M3
M4
M5
M6
M635i
Z3M
Z4M
1M (only just, however good it is)
850CSi
Not included:
M535i
M140i/240i
X5 M50D
But as said, you like it that's what matters. I wouldn't be unhappy in an M140i or 240i for that matter.
M1
M2
M3
M4
M5
M6
M635i
Z3M
Z4M
1M (only just, however good it is)
850CSi
Not included:
M535i
M140i/240i
X5 M50D
And I didn't realise the old 4.8iS which has lights in the rev counter should by rights be an M then
cerb4.5lee said:
The M2 isn't really a proper M car as it's just a M235i with bigger brakes and a LSD for me.
That's an interesting line of thought. I read that it has less sound deadening, which has to make it feel a touch more raw, plus different suspension, firmer ARBs again and a wider track. That all helps... however, on the downside it has the same driving mode switch as the M235i, which is bloody annoying to use compared to the preset facility on the M3, but still isn't as good as simply DSC=off on the E46 M3 (and stays off regardless of cruise control use etc) or even better no DSC at all on the E36 M3! 
MOTK said:
As for the suggestion that the X50M diesel should be considered as a true M car 
Marketing men say
Yes we got the sales BS when my wife bought an X5 M50d.. "the reason it has grey mirrors is because it has been built by the M-division and therefore is really the closest you can get to a petrol X5M ".....Marketing men say
Edited by MOTK on Tuesday 6th December 00:29
Apart form another turbo being bolted on and and £10k (and to be fair, a few more standard fit items) it's no different than my mates 30d...
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