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Deep Thought said:
Thats pretty much bang on with my experience too.
The MPSS never really impressed me on the M140i, went to MPS4, thought it was a big step up.
MPS4S now on the M2, but interestingly RE: your comment on the P Zeros, when i got the car there was a full set of brand new P Zeros just fitted and i thought they were really very good. I took those wheels and tyres off when i changed the rims to 763Ms, but i did like the P Zeros.
Its not a tyre i hear people talk about much.
Standard fitment on the G82 M4 P zeros or PS4s , I've had both on mine and the steering feels more precise with the P zeros as they have a stiffer sidewall but grip on cold and wet roads is better with the PS4s The MPSS never really impressed me on the M140i, went to MPS4, thought it was a big step up.
MPS4S now on the M2, but interestingly RE: your comment on the P Zeros, when i got the car there was a full set of brand new P Zeros just fitted and i thought they were really very good. I took those wheels and tyres off when i changed the rims to 763Ms, but i did like the P Zeros.
Its not a tyre i hear people talk about much.
hooch500 said:
Just follow up really, OG M2, I posted something a while back about coilovers ended up with Msport adjustable set up - a huge improvement. I tried ContiSport 7's on rear. They have fantastic grip, in fact even in the wet you have to be a real hooligan to unstick them, though that is not something I attempt too often. However the price you pay for that grip is the wear rate - down to less than 4mm after 3000 miles on the road so in reality probably more expensive than PS4S.
What have M2 owners tried with this car ?
When it comes to tires I am about as likely to experiment with tires as am with juggling axes...What have M2 owners tried with this car ?
My '23 M2 came with Michelin PS4S tires.
Front
275/35ZR19/XL 100(Y)
Rear
285/30ZR20/XL 99(Y)
Closing in on 7K miles and the tires have proved to be quite good. However, I don't drive the car in the rain. Nor do I track the car.
Once in a while I drive on one of the nice (if you know what i mean and I think you do) country roads in the area but even then I don't push the car hard enough for the tires to loose any grip. At $582/rear tire and I'm sure the front tires are not that much less I'm going to try for maximum tire life.
Added: I forgot to mention that as I "learned" from my time with my Porsche cars I do not mix tires. I use factory sanctioned tire brands and tire sizes.
Porsche tires were marked for use on Porsche cars. "N0", "N1", "N2" and so on. The 'N' indicate the tire was Porsche approved. The number was the tire generation. Not only did Porsche not sanction mixing different brands of tires -- even sanctioned tires -- on its cars it advised against mixing tire generations.
So I'll adhere to the same with my BMWs. Use only factory sanctioned tires -- with I guess a Star symbol on the side wall -- and sizes. No mixing tire brands.
Edited by Rockster on Thursday 29th February 16:28
Rockster said:
When it comes to tires I am about as likely to experiment with tires as am with juggling axes...
My '23 M2 came with Michelin PS4S tires.
Front
275/35ZR19/XL 100(Y)
Rear
285/30ZR20/XL 99(Y)
Closing in on 7K miles and the tires have proved to be quite good. However, I don't drive the car in the rain. Nor do I track the car.
Once in a while I drive on one of the nice (if you know what i mean and I think you do) country roads in the area but even then I don't push the car hard enough for the tires to loose any grip. At $582/rear tire and I'm sure the front tires are not that much less I'm going to try for maximum tire life.
Added: I forgot to mention that as I "learned" from my time with my Porsche cars I do not mix tires. I use factory sanctioned tire brands and tire sizes.
Porsche tires were marked for use on Porsche cars. "N0", "N1", "N2" and so on. The 'N' indicate the tire was Porsche approved. The number was the tire generation. Not only did Porsche not sanction mixing different brands of tires -- even sanctioned tires -- on its cars it advised against mixing tire generations.
So I'll adhere to the same with my BMWs. Use only factory sanctioned tires -- with I guess a Star symbol on the side wall -- and sizes. No mixing tire brands.
Each to their own. I’ve had a few 911’s including some very hairy ones with no driver aids other than ABS. I raced one for 3 seasons on type 1A tyres many moons ago. I would not advocate putting really cheap brands on a high performance car but outside of that caveat there are many options, modern tyres have far more grip than previous generations. I probably push my cars far harder than most given the right time and road so I have to accept the increased wear. My daily is an older Jag XFR which is much more pleasant to be in 95 % of the time than the M2 but there is no substitute for a more focused sports car when pushing on. I’m sure having star or N rated tyres is peace of mind for the more conservative driver but suggesting nothing else is safe is nonsense. The BMW fitment MPSS for example has very poor wet performance especially after 50 % wear. The CS 7 had phenomenal grip even when worn, they were not star rated. I would say they were on a level of wet race tyres from memory. My '23 M2 came with Michelin PS4S tires.
Front
275/35ZR19/XL 100(Y)
Rear
285/30ZR20/XL 99(Y)
Closing in on 7K miles and the tires have proved to be quite good. However, I don't drive the car in the rain. Nor do I track the car.
Once in a while I drive on one of the nice (if you know what i mean and I think you do) country roads in the area but even then I don't push the car hard enough for the tires to loose any grip. At $582/rear tire and I'm sure the front tires are not that much less I'm going to try for maximum tire life.
Added: I forgot to mention that as I "learned" from my time with my Porsche cars I do not mix tires. I use factory sanctioned tire brands and tire sizes.
Porsche tires were marked for use on Porsche cars. "N0", "N1", "N2" and so on. The 'N' indicate the tire was Porsche approved. The number was the tire generation. Not only did Porsche not sanction mixing different brands of tires -- even sanctioned tires -- on its cars it advised against mixing tire generations.
So I'll adhere to the same with my BMWs. Use only factory sanctioned tires -- with I guess a Star symbol on the side wall -- and sizes. No mixing tire brands.
Edited by Rockster on Thursday 29th February 16:28
I don’t doubt that there are drivers of sports cars out there who pride themselves on getting 20 k plus miles out of a set of tyres. But then I would suggest they never even get close to any limits of either the car or tyres pass any meaningful judgement.
Deep Thought said:
liner33 said:
Don't have a M2 but thats my thoughts with MPSS ie things have really moved on since they came out , I found them pretty dodgy on cold or wet roads in my 235i.
PS4 or PS4s , Conti 7's, Goodyear ASSY 6 or even P zeros are all a step up imo
Thats pretty much bang on with my experience too.PS4 or PS4s , Conti 7's, Goodyear ASSY 6 or even P zeros are all a step up imo
The MPSS never really impressed me on the M140i, went to MPS4, thought it was a big step up.
MPS4S now on the M2, but interestingly RE: your comment on the P Zeros, when i got the car there was a full set of brand new P Zeros just fitted and i thought they were really very good. I took those wheels and tyres off when i changed the rims to 763Ms, but i did like the P Zeros.
Its not a tyre i hear people talk about much.
I'm a big Michelin fan too, and I also have PS4 on the 370Z and PSS on the M4. But the MPS4S definitely don't suit the Merc though, and they are a specific Mercedes approved tyre as well. If I can still get them, I'll be going back to the P Zero on the Merc for sure.
cerb4.5lee said:
Not the same car granted, but I much preferred the P Zero that were on the Merc in comparison to the MPS4S that are on it now as well. The Pirellis wear better, and offer more grip too on that particular car.
I'm a big Michelin fan too, and I also have PS4 on the 370Z and PSS on the M4. But the MPS4S definitely don't suit the Merc though, and they are a specific Mercedes approved tyre as well. If I can still get them, I'll be going back to the P Zero on the Merc for sure.
Interesting even the Xdrive G8X owners consider the Pzeros to be pretty much ditchfinders and many change them for PS4S if they feel the lost the "tyre lottery" on delivery I'm a big Michelin fan too, and I also have PS4 on the 370Z and PSS on the M4. But the MPS4S definitely don't suit the Merc though, and they are a specific Mercedes approved tyre as well. If I can still get them, I'll be going back to the P Zero on the Merc for sure.
liner33 said:
Interesting even the Xdrive G8X owners consider the Pzeros to be pretty much ditchfinders and many change them for PS4S if they feel the lost the "tyre lottery" on delivery
I'm really surprised to be honest too, and I'm genuinely a fan boy of Michelin as well. It moves around a lot more on the rear with the Michelins for some reason, and like you say I generally read poor opinions regarding the P Zero. I think because a diesel 2300kg SUV isn't really a performance car, then you just don't get the benefit of a high performance tyre like the MPS4S perhaps?(they don't get to a high enough temp to feel the benefit). The only caveat to that is Merc do actually fit the MPS4S to the GLE 63S though.
An update really. So went on a whim and fitted four new tyres as the fronts had worn on inside. I’ve had Maxxis VS5’s before and really rated them on an m140. Decided to go up a size so 255/35, 275/35.
Went out for a proper drive today in mixed conditions and I’m really delighted. Excellent grip and an unexpected increase in steering feel. The extra sidewall height doesn’t hurt either giving a little more compliance, but mine rides way better anyway on the M performance coilovers.
Really good tyres even against the best from Michelin and Continental. An Evo test from a few years ago alerted me to these, there was another recently as well with positive feedback, I can tell you they do not lack grip !
Went out for a proper drive today in mixed conditions and I’m really delighted. Excellent grip and an unexpected increase in steering feel. The extra sidewall height doesn’t hurt either giving a little more compliance, but mine rides way better anyway on the M performance coilovers.
Really good tyres even against the best from Michelin and Continental. An Evo test from a few years ago alerted me to these, there was another recently as well with positive feedback, I can tell you they do not lack grip !
4k miles on the SC7 is a worry- is that all the way to the legal limit?
I have them on the front of my XKR and plan to stick the same on the rear this year. The reviews are outstanding and wear hasn’t been mentioned as a particular issue that I’ve seen.
That being said your expected mileage of 6-8k sounds low, is this typical of the M2? My only point of reference on these matters is getting about 14k miles out of Pilot Super Sports on my e39 M5 so anything that’s only 4 figures is scary.
I have them on the front of my XKR and plan to stick the same on the rear this year. The reviews are outstanding and wear hasn’t been mentioned as a particular issue that I’ve seen.
That being said your expected mileage of 6-8k sounds low, is this typical of the M2? My only point of reference on these matters is getting about 14k miles out of Pilot Super Sports on my e39 M5 so anything that’s only 4 figures is scary.
Yes I was surprised too, I use the M2 only for proper drives, weather and road conditions permitting so I wasn’t expecting big mileage but 4 k is brutal. They were completely finished almost bald I hadn’t realised until I had a moment on a wet patch.
However I can say the grip is really something, particularly in the wet. The car would take full power out of slow bends for example with no intervention. Seems there’s no free lunch with tyres….
However I can say the grip is really something, particularly in the wet. The car would take full power out of slow bends for example with no intervention. Seems there’s no free lunch with tyres….
Yes I was surprised too, I use the M2 only for proper drives, weather and road conditions permitting so I wasn’t expecting big mileage but 4 k is brutal. They were completely finished almost bald I hadn’t realised until I had a moment on a wet patch.
However I can say the grip is really something, particularly in the wet. The car would take full power out of slow bends for example with no intervention. Seems there’s no free lunch with tyres….
However I can say the grip is really something, particularly in the wet. The car would take full power out of slow bends for example with no intervention. Seems there’s no free lunch with tyres….
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