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Just found some video clip that some person made during our CBR07 on the German autobahn this year doing 310km/h on the speedo
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v635/mpowerd/Vid...
GTRene
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v635/mpowerd/Vid...
GTRene
I think it's quite an achievement to stay that close to a car with 2 more litres under the hood.
We love it Rene!
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We definatly do matey !!
that's looking good Albert and Wimscotty_917 said:
Can GTRene or anybody else on this forum point me in the direction of some links that'll give me some more info on what the Z3 M Coupe's are like to live with, drive, servicing, where to buy, etc? Many thanks. 
GTRene said:
the normal S50 or S54(my last M coupe) drives both very linear and "safe"
Lol, these cars are lairy. Great fun and as quick or quicker than a M3 CSL.Watch out, the tail can snap when you least expect it! The back end is not as predictable as E36 M3 Evo, you are sitting on the rear wheels and the short wheel base makes the handling interesting! I loved my'n. Porsches hate it when they realise your not only keeping up but want to overtake them!!!!
I have read a lot about you car Rene on the internet on various pages and sites. Feel compelled to tell you that you have a great car there mate! I know, nothing new to say and nothing you haven't heard a million times, just needed to say it. 
Incidentally, there was a silver M Coupe in the Feb issue of BMWcar magazine, photographed at the BMWcar magazine trackday at Brands Hatch that looked very similar to yours in so much as body styling (bonnet, front bumper and side grills), though on closer inspection the wheels, seats and obviously the engine and pedigree are not the same as your unique M Coupe.
All the best mate, dustybottoms.
Incidentally, there was a silver M Coupe in the Feb issue of BMWcar magazine, photographed at the BMWcar magazine trackday at Brands Hatch that looked very similar to yours in so much as body styling (bonnet, front bumper and side grills), though on closer inspection the wheels, seats and obviously the engine and pedigree are not the same as your unique M Coupe.
All the best mate, dustybottoms.
dustybottoms said:
I have read a lot about you car Rene on the internet on various pages and sites. Feel compelled to tell you that you have a great car there mate! I know, nothing new to say and nothing you haven't heard a million times, just needed to say it.
Incidentally, there was a silver M Coupe in the Feb issue of BMWcar magazine, photographed at the BMWcar magazine trackday at Brands Hatch that looked very similar to yours in so much as body styling (bonnet, front bumper and side grills), though on closer inspection the wheels, seats and obviously the engine and pedigree are not the same as your unique M Coupe.
All the best mate, dustybottoms.
Indeed looks are a bit the same but many detail differences also in the cabin, like pedals, steering-wheel, dials, handbrake-handle, gearshift (also short-shift and 6-speed) etc etc etc...Incidentally, there was a silver M Coupe in the Feb issue of BMWcar magazine, photographed at the BMWcar magazine trackday at Brands Hatch that looked very similar to yours in so much as body styling (bonnet, front bumper and side grills), though on closer inspection the wheels, seats and obviously the engine and pedigree are not the same as your unique M Coupe.
All the best mate, dustybottoms.
i once looked it up on the birds website with prices from Hartge parts and to make a Z3 m coupe like mine would cost you 95.000,-euro and then still you have a BMW
and not the original Hartge, though most think its a BMW with hartge stuff..but its the real deal with Hartge chassis-number and all, also owner Herbert Hartge on the German papers etc etc..so, its also a investment...though also on sale for the right price that is.thanks
GTRene
GTRene
On 06 April I was @ the opening of the new Wiesmann factory, boy oh boy what a nice things they have there...
but the roads are nice to in Germany with some unlimited parts
It was a good day, also had some fun on the road to get there
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v635/mpowerd/Vid...
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v635/mpowerd/Vid...
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v635/mpowerd/Vid...
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v635/mpowerd/Vid...
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v635/mpowerd/Vid...
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v635/mpowerd/Vid...
GTRene
here some picture's of the earlyer old factory, and the new
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
but the roads are nice to in Germany with some unlimited parts
It was a good day, also had some fun on the road to get there
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v635/mpowerd/Vid...
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v635/mpowerd/Vid...
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v635/mpowerd/Vid...
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v635/mpowerd/Vid...
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v635/mpowerd/Vid...
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v635/mpowerd/Vid...
GTRene
here some picture's of the earlyer old factory, and the new
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Edited by GTRene on Tuesday 15th April 22:25
Broccers said:
Have you sold this beast yet ?
nope, but I'm in no hurry, I've got only scammers who try to rob me, but I watch out for those.But most people think its a BMW with Hartge stuff on it, and its not, its a real Hartge as a Brand with Hartge chassis-code and paperwork, and most people did not know they make such thing...
GTrene
a few weeks ago we had a Dutch Canonball run in Germany, but all in a desent way with help of the police
anyway we did lots of high speed runs with passengers, and there were about 60 cars most very fast like tuned Z06 cars and M3 CSL SC with 550ps and Lambo Diablo SE and many many more.
I was there with my Hartge and managed again a 310km/u on the speedo and a passenger took a picture from his movie he made, one of my concentrated face in the mirror when doing 310km/u
and one of the speedo.
it was a good day
we also had some girls on the grid to pose on the cars
the police were very nice helping us that day to make it a clean day and sent us one by one to the highway the whole day, thnx guys, they were very sportive:
GTRene
anyway we did lots of high speed runs with passengers, and there were about 60 cars most very fast like tuned Z06 cars and M3 CSL SC with 550ps and Lambo Diablo SE and many many more.
I was there with my Hartge and managed again a 310km/u on the speedo and a passenger took a picture from his movie he made, one of my concentrated face in the mirror when doing 310km/u
and one of the speedo.
it was a good day
we also had some girls on the grid to pose on the cars
the police were very nice helping us that day to make it a clean day and sent us one by one to the highway the whole day, thnx guys, they were very sportive:
GTRene
I'm not so often on PH anymore but a passenger shot this nice video, only the sound is poor sadly...
http://www.vimeo.com/1455367
GTRene
http://www.vimeo.com/1455367
GTRene
Part 1
Mystery finally solved,
Back in 02-2007 when I bought my Hartge Z3 (Z47) coupe 5.0 and imported it from another country, a Dutch Hartge dealer told me (I asked him how many originals are there and he asked Hartge Germany) there are tree Hartge's Z3 coupe, a 3.5 (I-6) and a 4.7 V8 and a 5.0 V8, also there are two Z3 roadsters 4.7 V8 (one of those crashed back in 2008)
I thought oke, so there is one Hartge Z3 coupe 5.0 in the world, but I never heard or saw the 3.5 and 4.7 which I did know they have to exist, made back before the year 2000.
Since then I searched a lot to get more history, I already had a BMW car magazine dated 02-2002 where my 5.0 Hartge was reported in in all his glory but I tried to find more, as nobody seems to know more or want to say more about the car (difficult questions I guess) I only knew (my Dutch Hartge dealer did a search on the old BMW Z3 M coupe chassis-number) that the car started life as a metallic Black car bought by Herbert Hartge himself.
Anyway, I thought then, hm...that makes sense I found on the German Hartge website picture's from a black Z3 M coupe that looks a lot like my car (it is) I was thinking there are not tree cars, there is just one which was the base for those tree but I could not really proof that.
My car was bought new by Herbert Hartge back in 1998 and was the basis for their tuning and style shows and car magazine's to show the world what they can do and offer for your Z3 M coupe.
So I thought, hey it started with a 3.2 and then the car was stripped and sprayed completely in Titan Silver metallic the Hartge (family) color, and then they planted the special made 4.7 V8 under the bonnet (350hp) and when time went one they replace that one for the 5.0 from today back in 2001 and then they put the car as a real Hartge on the road (so in its today form its made in 2001 and came on the road as such but with a 1998 base car) the time before that it was a prototype/show-car.
Yesterday I discovered also one thing more and now the mystery is solved (have some more different car magazines now), there is not only just one Hartge Z3 (Z47) coupe 5.0 in the whole world but also, the cars above mentioned are all one, all mine...my car was the base that changed overtime evolved into the 5.0, Hartge's personal car. (I have all papers ofcorse to proof and back that up also you can see from the magazine's the numberplates on the black and early zilver car)
Mystery solved.
--1998> Car started life as a black Z3 M coupe 1998 with 321ps 3.2 engine.
--1998> then tuned and enlarged engine to 3.5 with 350ps (car still black but changed interior color original BMW though)
--1999> then totally stripped the car bar naked and sprayed it in and out in their Hartge color Titan Silver metallic and changed a lot other things the most important
the engine became a big 4.7 V8 with 350ps but more torque, and the special handmade lower front-bumper to give the oil-cooler and engine more cooling.
--2001> the year they enlarged the 4.7 into the present 5.0 V8 also changed all the suspension bushings and the special made hood came on to get
a better airflow under the bonnet when you drive on a track, the car's testing ground was the famous Nurburgring (the green hell)
So there you have it, mystery solved with magazine's to back it up, yesterday I thought that black 3.5 in that 1998 car magazine could be mine...I checked the numberplate with the magazine out 1999 when the 4.7 was in, and I had a match.
With the new 5.0 and other stuff they ended the prototype program and put it on the road as the one and only Hartge Z3 (Z47)coupe 5.0 in 2001
The production of Hartge parts is carried out either in the form of small, exclusive series or industrial manufacturing by leading components suppliers.
In the following writings here I post the magazine's which I have with the story of my car which is also for sale, but most people don't know the story, not even dealers even when my/this car was their product picture for all those years on their websites and their own parts magazine's .
Some Hartge info in general:
Herbert Hartge had been involved with cars since his youth and from 1969 to 1983 was a successful racing driver with Formula V racing and touring cars, primarily BMWs
The beginnings of the company go back to 1971 when Herbert Hartge KG was founded in the German district town of Merzig to sell and repair BMW automobiles.
In 1974, the company moved to its current location in Beckingen. The Hartge premises cover some 16,000 square metres, of which around 5,000 are built on.
A 2,000 square metre warehouse ensures an optimum supply of Hartge parts for the market.
At Hartge, the long tuning tradition focuses on powerful engines. The range is unparalleled: from 2.1 litres for the 3 series, 5.0 litres for the 3 series (E36), 3 series (E46) as well as for the Compact, Z3 and X5. For the 7 and 8 series there is a 5.0 litres. The styling of Hartge aerodynamic parts and aluminium wheels is consciously restrained and the emphasis on engineering and function.
The production of Hartge parts is carried out either in the form of small, exclusive series or industrial manufacturing by leading components suppliers.
Herbert Hartge has been involved with cars since his youth. From 1969 to 1983, he was a successful racing driver at home and abroad, firstly in Formula V racing cars and then in touring cars, primarily BMWs, VWs and Fords.
Hence, the Hartge company profits from the motor-racing experience of the founder, as well as that of his entire staff. Then as now, the focus of the company's activities is on increasing the performance of BMW cars.
Today, Hartge products are well-known throughout the world, especially the Hartge wheel with its characteristic 11-spoke design, which has developed into a corporate trade mark.
The Hartge product range represents one of the biggest assortments for almost all BMW models. In Germany and abroad, Hartge products are sold either via dealers or direct.
or the development of high-performance engines, Hartge has installed its own fully automatic engine test bench of the kind usually only operated by major automobile manufacturers.
This means that Hartge can carry out all long-distance and endurance tests necessary in the development phase of an engine.
Hartge has been approved by the German Motor Vehicle Authority (KBA) as an automobile manufacturer since 1985.
(source: Hartge)
next some carmagazines I found to see that in pictures and writing to share.
Part 2
It started as prototype showcar for Hartge as the black car, here in a magazine Autobild November 1998
Then in 1999 they totally stripped the car and build it up with their 4.7 V8, notice the sepcial bumper which was needed to cool the oilcooler better.
BMW Car September 1999
Part 3
To end the prototype/showcar with their 5.0 V8 and put it as that on the road late 2001 still on Herbert Hartge's name to change hands later in 2002
TBMW february 2002
GTRene
Mystery finally solved,
Back in 02-2007 when I bought my Hartge Z3 (Z47) coupe 5.0 and imported it from another country, a Dutch Hartge dealer told me (I asked him how many originals are there and he asked Hartge Germany) there are tree Hartge's Z3 coupe, a 3.5 (I-6) and a 4.7 V8 and a 5.0 V8, also there are two Z3 roadsters 4.7 V8 (one of those crashed back in 2008)
I thought oke, so there is one Hartge Z3 coupe 5.0 in the world, but I never heard or saw the 3.5 and 4.7 which I did know they have to exist, made back before the year 2000.
Since then I searched a lot to get more history, I already had a BMW car magazine dated 02-2002 where my 5.0 Hartge was reported in in all his glory but I tried to find more, as nobody seems to know more or want to say more about the car (difficult questions I guess) I only knew (my Dutch Hartge dealer did a search on the old BMW Z3 M coupe chassis-number) that the car started life as a metallic Black car bought by Herbert Hartge himself.
Anyway, I thought then, hm...that makes sense I found on the German Hartge website picture's from a black Z3 M coupe that looks a lot like my car (it is) I was thinking there are not tree cars, there is just one which was the base for those tree but I could not really proof that.
My car was bought new by Herbert Hartge back in 1998 and was the basis for their tuning and style shows and car magazine's to show the world what they can do and offer for your Z3 M coupe.
So I thought, hey it started with a 3.2 and then the car was stripped and sprayed completely in Titan Silver metallic the Hartge (family) color, and then they planted the special made 4.7 V8 under the bonnet (350hp) and when time went one they replace that one for the 5.0 from today back in 2001 and then they put the car as a real Hartge on the road (so in its today form its made in 2001 and came on the road as such but with a 1998 base car) the time before that it was a prototype/show-car.
Yesterday I discovered also one thing more and now the mystery is solved (have some more different car magazines now), there is not only just one Hartge Z3 (Z47) coupe 5.0 in the whole world but also, the cars above mentioned are all one, all mine...my car was the base that changed overtime evolved into the 5.0, Hartge's personal car. (I have all papers ofcorse to proof and back that up also you can see from the magazine's the numberplates on the black and early zilver car)
Mystery solved.
--1998> Car started life as a black Z3 M coupe 1998 with 321ps 3.2 engine.
--1998> then tuned and enlarged engine to 3.5 with 350ps (car still black but changed interior color original BMW though)
--1999> then totally stripped the car bar naked and sprayed it in and out in their Hartge color Titan Silver metallic and changed a lot other things the most important
the engine became a big 4.7 V8 with 350ps but more torque, and the special handmade lower front-bumper to give the oil-cooler and engine more cooling.
--2001> the year they enlarged the 4.7 into the present 5.0 V8 also changed all the suspension bushings and the special made hood came on to get
a better airflow under the bonnet when you drive on a track, the car's testing ground was the famous Nurburgring (the green hell)
So there you have it, mystery solved with magazine's to back it up, yesterday I thought that black 3.5 in that 1998 car magazine could be mine...I checked the numberplate with the magazine out 1999 when the 4.7 was in, and I had a match.
With the new 5.0 and other stuff they ended the prototype program and put it on the road as the one and only Hartge Z3 (Z47)coupe 5.0 in 2001
The production of Hartge parts is carried out either in the form of small, exclusive series or industrial manufacturing by leading components suppliers.
In the following writings here I post the magazine's which I have with the story of my car which is also for sale, but most people don't know the story, not even dealers even when my/this car was their product picture for all those years on their websites and their own parts magazine's .
Some Hartge info in general:
Herbert Hartge had been involved with cars since his youth and from 1969 to 1983 was a successful racing driver with Formula V racing and touring cars, primarily BMWs
The beginnings of the company go back to 1971 when Herbert Hartge KG was founded in the German district town of Merzig to sell and repair BMW automobiles.
In 1974, the company moved to its current location in Beckingen. The Hartge premises cover some 16,000 square metres, of which around 5,000 are built on.
A 2,000 square metre warehouse ensures an optimum supply of Hartge parts for the market.
At Hartge, the long tuning tradition focuses on powerful engines. The range is unparalleled: from 2.1 litres for the 3 series, 5.0 litres for the 3 series (E36), 3 series (E46) as well as for the Compact, Z3 and X5. For the 7 and 8 series there is a 5.0 litres. The styling of Hartge aerodynamic parts and aluminium wheels is consciously restrained and the emphasis on engineering and function.
The production of Hartge parts is carried out either in the form of small, exclusive series or industrial manufacturing by leading components suppliers.
Herbert Hartge has been involved with cars since his youth. From 1969 to 1983, he was a successful racing driver at home and abroad, firstly in Formula V racing cars and then in touring cars, primarily BMWs, VWs and Fords.
Hence, the Hartge company profits from the motor-racing experience of the founder, as well as that of his entire staff. Then as now, the focus of the company's activities is on increasing the performance of BMW cars.
Today, Hartge products are well-known throughout the world, especially the Hartge wheel with its characteristic 11-spoke design, which has developed into a corporate trade mark.
The Hartge product range represents one of the biggest assortments for almost all BMW models. In Germany and abroad, Hartge products are sold either via dealers or direct.
or the development of high-performance engines, Hartge has installed its own fully automatic engine test bench of the kind usually only operated by major automobile manufacturers.
This means that Hartge can carry out all long-distance and endurance tests necessary in the development phase of an engine.
Hartge has been approved by the German Motor Vehicle Authority (KBA) as an automobile manufacturer since 1985.
(source: Hartge)
next some carmagazines I found to see that in pictures and writing to share.
Part 2
It started as prototype showcar for Hartge as the black car, here in a magazine Autobild November 1998
Then in 1999 they totally stripped the car and build it up with their 4.7 V8, notice the sepcial bumper which was needed to cool the oilcooler better.
BMW Car September 1999
Part 3
To end the prototype/showcar with their 5.0 V8 and put it as that on the road late 2001 still on Herbert Hartge's name to change hands later in 2002
TBMW february 2002
GTRene
Edited by GTRene on Friday 28th January 19:04
Today a pleasant surprise when I opened the box where the car computer is hidden from my one off Hartge Z3 (Z47) coupe 5.0 (which is for sale BTW)
I wanted to let a BMW dealer lower down rpm a bit, its to high with about 1.000rpm in idle? try to get it to 700rpm.
but because its heavily changed by Hartge that basis M62b44 into 5.0 with many modifications and Alpina parts (saw some E36 B8 Alpina items too), its difficult to get in the computer and you have to know date and engine type and engine management Siemens or Bosch etc...
So i thought, before I go to the dealer to see if they can go in the service part and lower rpm a bit, I check what type is in...
first you come across some warnings that you may not change the mappings because of the special, for that engine type computer.
then I lift of that part and took the engine computer out (without disconnecting) to see what make/type it is.
its a Bosch but there were some stickers on it...saying please do not alter engine mapping...and on top some old tape with writing from ascari also saying rpm is a bit to high? and some other tech stuff ;-) I thought...ascari?
So I turned the box to see if there is more tape on the box, and on the other side was this
That's the latest engine that came in the Ascari Ecosse only 17 made (totall incl racers) and only 3 with this engine.
So that makes the story of my special one off Hartge even more special, it share's the engine with the last Ascari Ecosse, most of the 17 Ascari Ecosse where made with Hartge's 4.7 and that one made 400hp.
That's why my car has more power then the series 5.0 that Hartge sold based on a newer type M62B44.
Mine and so Ascari's engine is based on the 1997<>1998 type engine without vanos and a very high working temp.
I wanted to let a BMW dealer lower down rpm a bit, its to high with about 1.000rpm in idle? try to get it to 700rpm.
but because its heavily changed by Hartge that basis M62b44 into 5.0 with many modifications and Alpina parts (saw some E36 B8 Alpina items too), its difficult to get in the computer and you have to know date and engine type and engine management Siemens or Bosch etc...
So i thought, before I go to the dealer to see if they can go in the service part and lower rpm a bit, I check what type is in...
first you come across some warnings that you may not change the mappings because of the special, for that engine type computer.
then I lift of that part and took the engine computer out (without disconnecting) to see what make/type it is.
its a Bosch but there were some stickers on it...saying please do not alter engine mapping...and on top some old tape with writing from ascari also saying rpm is a bit to high? and some other tech stuff ;-) I thought...ascari?
So I turned the box to see if there is more tape on the box, and on the other side was this
That's the latest engine that came in the Ascari Ecosse only 17 made (totall incl racers) and only 3 with this engine.
So that makes the story of my special one off Hartge even more special, it share's the engine with the last Ascari Ecosse, most of the 17 Ascari Ecosse where made with Hartge's 4.7 and that one made 400hp.
That's why my car has more power then the series 5.0 that Hartge sold based on a newer type M62B44.
Mine and so Ascari's engine is based on the 1997<>1998 type engine without vanos and a very high working temp.
wiki said:
Bigger changes were found in the engine bay where the original Detroit muscle was replaced by a BMW sourced V8 engine. Not satisfied with the stock performance, the V8s were sent to specialists Hartge for upgrades before being installed in the Ascari. Initially the BMW/Hartge unit displaced 4.4 litre and produced a healthy 300 bhp. Shortly after the road car's launch a larger, 4.7 version litre became available which put out an additional 100 horses. The engine was mated to a ZF supplied five-speed gearbox.
They increased the engine's capacity from 4.4 to 5 litres
They increased the engine's capacity from 4.4 to 5 litres
Edited by GTRene on Monday 21st January 15:48
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