Hartge Z3 M Coupé 5.0 V8 the one...

[GTRene]

MartiniBianco said:

If you read French, I can scan an article about your car from when it had the 4.7L.
I have one about the V8 roadster well.

Hi Martini, sadly I can not read French but I would love to see that article, you can upload it in this thread if you like
Or mail it to me thats also possible, anyhow I would love to see it, it was very hard to get info and articles and documents of this one ever made Hartge Z3 coupe 5.0 with that strange history first it came in black newly bought by Herbert hartge wich they tuned into a 3.5 wich then later stripped down naked and painted in the Hartge color Titansilber metallic when it got the special 4.7 V8, on that moment they also made the same engine for its sister car the Ascari Ecosse 4.7 wich later also got this engine the 5.0 V8 (its not the same 5.0L engine as they sold to customers) so yes its special, but I really have to let it go early next year, first have to finish some things.
Sadly I can not pay for it anymore and it needs a new home!

[MartiniBianco]

GTRene said:

MartiniBianco said:

If you read French, I can scan an article about your car from when it had the 4.7L.
I have one about the V8 roadster well.

Hi Martini, sadly I can not read French but I would love to see that article, you can upload it in this thread if you like

Job done :

[GTRene]

wow
nice job, I really like it thanks Martini.
I print it out and comes in my collection about the Hartge Z3 coupe.
Also nice to see it here with the earlier 4.7 engine still with the smaller standard M coupe cooler and standard M coupe bumper and engine-hood.
It is indeed my car before Hartge dropped in their then biggest engine the 5.0 wich needed more cooling and had some more hp thats why they added also a bigger cooler and special bumper with bigger inlets and lower so the oil-cooler got more air too.
and ofcorse the special Kevlar/grp engine-hood with all the vents.

This makes my info more complete, so thanks.

edited for the story of the Hartge Z47 (Z3 coupe 5.0) link>>

a 9 mb pdf file, the one and only is now also for sale,

https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=20729D492A2D...

If anyone has even more magazine copy's about my car wich is not already in my pdf file, please send me a copy

Edited by GTRene on Sunday 10th June 19:48

[dinkel]

Any recent picas Rene?

[GTRene]

Hi Dinkel, I can post some, I'm not so active anymore on posting around my car, although I changed en renewed a lot last/past year, like new and bigger brakes all around and new coilovers with adjustable camber plates and new wheels just to change it for a while, although I just put the other original wheels under again last week.
So cleaned the new ones and stored upstairs for next summer.

Those pictures are made with my 5mp phone so not that good quality.

Edited by GTRene on Friday 19th December 14:56

[dinkel]

So ... a keeper?

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dinkel said:

So ... a keeper?

yes and no, yes because I love it and no because I also like other cars
but it don't have to go, I drive only 2.000km per year with it so not that costly to keep
and the km stay low.
I'm in no hurry though, its every-time a pleasure when you step in and start the engine and go for a drive,
it really fits me.
I only have it for sale on some free to ad websites when someone buys it its ok, when I keep it its ok too.
next year my price will go up, so I can keep it longer

[GrahamO]

I love this car very much and found this thread very interesting. Amazing car with a very cool story

But I am very sad to see all the videos you posted at various times in the thread are deleted? Is there any reason for this? It is very cool to read about it and see pictures... but much cooler to see videos I think. It feels more real like that, as if I am watching it in person. Maybe you will reconsider and upload some videos of it? It is a very cool car and even if you sell it I think the world deserves to see and experience the car

[dinkel]

Rene: do you have a YouTube channel?

[GTRene]

GrahamO said:

I love this car very much and found this thread very interesting. Amazing car with a very cool story

But I am very sad to see all the videos you posted at various times in the thread are deleted? Is there any reason for this? It is very cool to read about it and see pictures... but much cooler to see videos I think. It feels more real like that, as if I am watching it in person. Maybe you will reconsider and upload some videos of it? It is a very cool car and even if you sell it I think the world deserves to see and experience the car

Thanks Graham, I closed the you-tube account with my car (the Hartge), with some lovely video's, but still I closed it after miss-use by some bad and wrong lawyer making me look bad/racer and did me much wrong.
for example a video posted back in 2007 when I tested shortly the high speed in Germany very legally on such free autobahn over there, and in 2011 he used that 2007 video against me, making me look bad while I did nothing wrong! it is and was aloud on that autobahn, but still and also more nonsense, I still get angry of the much wrongdoing those crooked insurance people did to me!!
So that when I decided to close that channel down because of such bad people which cost me a lot and did me much injustice.

Sadly there are also some video's online which are not that correct (timeline looks), some copy a video and upload it again so it looks as I drove there 'yesterday' so to speak, but those video's are mostly more in the begin time I've owned the car.

But thats how it can go with the Internet, maybe one day I post some new, have many new parts on the car and the car still drives very lovely, although I don't drive that much, maybe max 2.000km per year, but that keeps the km/mileage low for the car and I keep it in great condition, every drive once I'm in the car and start it, its a pleasure and 'connected' or how you name such.

@Dinkel, I guess you have the answer there too

[longintheleg]

What a car and thanks for sharing.

Could you possibly let me know the make and model of the alloys please?

Thanks.

[GTRene]

longintheleg said:

What a car and thanks for sharing.

Could you possibly let me know the make and model of the alloys please?

Thanks.

Thanks, because I have the car that long, I wanted some change for a while, and I also wanted smaller diameter (outline) tire,
specially at the front were the M coupe is 10mm closer to the front mudguard then all other (non M) Z3's (10mm longer wheelbase)

I choose for 18" with other tires, so now the diameter (outline) from the tire is almost the same as the original 17"wheels/tire combo,
so some more space to the mudguard, especially when lowered and when turn in on some uneven road.

And ow, I also fitted new bigger brakes (CSL discs) and bigger but lightweight Brembo's and those came a bit to close (are wider) against the inside of the wheel,
even with that little spacer that comes with the Hartge wheels.
Ordering bigger distance plates was a bit difficult for the Hartge wheels (hart to get) but I got some,
but in the mean time ordered those special wheels were the spokes go to the end of the rim? so you have lots of space left for big brakes and callipers
and that without the use of spacers! that all and its lower weight, was that I choose those wheels.





anyways, the original Hartge wheel I've stored as long as I have these new wheels on, they are
XXR 527 wheels in black-chrome, see my order>

said:

Type velg: XXR 527 Black Chrome

2 x 18x8.75/ET35/114.3+120x5/BLK CHROME

2 x 18x9.75/ET20/114.3+120x5/BLK CHROME

But keep in mind, those wheels have a 73.1 mm hole instead of the BMW 72.6(5) mm hole
that means 0.5 mm difference so 0.25mm per side so to say.
There are no spigot? rings that size/small/thin, so I had to think of something, I wanted that filled up even if it was that small, I don’t like movements in the wheels.

I used good Alu tape which they use for central heating venting pipe (heat) and made then in size, say 8<>10mm wide and ? as long for one round around the centre
(do not overlap) so stick on say 3 layers till it is a tight fit for the wheel or spacer (not overlap the ends) rub that very flat, and then you have your very thin spigot 'ring' which works perfect.

edit to say, with those wheels you need Tuner Bolts, those are more slim and handy, you don't scrape the bolt holes with them (normal bolts wont fit)
tuner bolts like this>> they also can be used as some sort of wheel lock-bolt.



The front wheels in the size and ET I ordered, need no spacers, the rear does with a M coupe, you can go for 20mm per side as 'original'
but I found that just a tiny bit to wide because of the wider wheels
so ordered after that the 15mm per side, and those are good for the rear, I don't like scraping in the wheel arches. (also depends how wide your tires are)
when go over say bad roads

Also ordered new coilover-set with adjustable camber plates and adjustable shock height, so you can make the chocks shorter,
especially at the rear were the wheels drop to far for my liking when you lift the car.

And to ad something I forgot to tell about the wheels, those XXR 527 are lighter as well,
here my measurements.

Hartge Velg 8J en ET40 in 19" = 12 kg
Hartge Velg 9.5J en ET22 in 19" = 12.8kg
XXR 527 Velg 8.75J en ET35 in 18"= 9.5kg
XXR 527 Velg 9.75J en ET20 in 18"= 10kg

Hartge velgen = 49.6kg & XXR 527 velgen = 39kg so I saved on the wheels alone 10.6kg
so thats 2.65 kg per wheel/side for a better unsprung weight.

On the tire combo I saved also a bit, all in all (wheel/tire) precise 3kg per side unsprung weight,
so I was quit pleased with the result all in all, also the Nokian zLine are really good,
especially for the money, they are also pretty wide,
say their 225 wide is the same as say 235 wide from Dunlop Sport/Michellin Sport/Falken Sport/Continental sport 5P I had,
and some others perhaps who are 225 in the real world, those Nokian are what they say,
instead of calling/naming it the 235 tires I mentioned above, what stands on the tire and what they sell those for,
when you measure them they (most) are 225mm and not the promised 235mm.

I have from those ‘wide’ tires on those XXR wheels
front Nokian zLine 225/40 ZR18 92Y XL (So)
rear Nokian zLine 265/35 ZR18 97Y XL (So)

Also very good grip those Nokia zLine, so would I buy those again, you bet.
of-course when going from 19 to 18 the side walls are a bit higher, but ad a bit more air
and thats good to live with me thinks.
I guess those tires will also be very good on 19"giving also still a bit comfort, so when
the conti sport 5P on my Hartge wheels are worn, I also put Nokian zLine on those.