RE: New M3 variants testing
Discussion
alex_123_fra said:
MK4 Slowride said:
You might think Audi are building better engines but the proof's in the pudding, BMW have won numerous consecutive engineering awards for their engines, Audi haven't. Also to have a good interior you have to spend that bit extra on leather instead of cloth, and you need to decide on what type of leather as well.
I don't think audi need to prove their engine build quality/performance and reliability to anyone. Le mans has been testament to this for years...including this year too most probably.As far as build quality of the interior (as well as remainder of the car), my experience is in comparing the E46 M3 with the B7 RS4. Frankly I have seen constipated turds built more solidly than my M3 (which was bought with only 2,500 miles on the clock). The bodywork/gapping/joins and interior were awful. Plastics were cheap. Leather was of rubbish quality.
The E90 M3 has a LOT of work to do even keep on par with a B7 RS4. That plus the fact that within half a year, there will be a complete flood of them everywhere (made worse by the addition of the saloon). If it really turns out to be a good car, I'd save your money and buy a low milleage used example in about half a year.
Edited by squeezebm on Saturday 16th June 23:53
Edited by squeezebm on Saturday 16th June 23:55
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I don't think audi need to prove their engine build quality/performance and reliability to anyone. Le mans has been testament to this for years...including this year too most probably.
As far as build quality of the interior (as well as remainder of the car), my experience is in comparing the E46 M3 with the B7 RS4. Frankly I have seen constipated turds built more solidly than my M3 (which was bought with only 2,500 miles on the clock). The bodywork/gapping/joins and interior were awful. Plastics were cheap. Leather was of rubbish quality.quote]
I had an A4 3.0 quattro for 2 years before swapping back to BMW and my experience was nothing as you mention, every panek squeaked, the ride was poorly damped, the handling was very sterile but in fairness I will say that the levels of grip generated by the quattro was staggering. Now, I had an RS4 for a week not long back and it's a great car, but Audi still haven't sussed why BMW drivers drive BMW's. The reason why alot of people are passionate about BMW's is the way they drive, RWD can't be beaten for fun, precision and balance and belting on a hugely heavy 4wd system destroys this feeling and connection with the road. The RS4 is mighily impressive but just think how good it would be if it too, like the M3, was RWD and alot lighter, that is why the M3 albiet 7 years old, still beats an RS4 in the handling dept and why it still beats the RS4 on track
I don't think audi need to prove their engine build quality/performance and reliability to anyone. Le mans has been testament to this for years...including this year too most probably.
As far as build quality of the interior (as well as remainder of the car), my experience is in comparing the E46 M3 with the B7 RS4. Frankly I have seen constipated turds built more solidly than my M3 (which was bought with only 2,500 miles on the clock). The bodywork/gapping/joins and interior were awful. Plastics were cheap. Leather was of rubbish quality.quote]
I had an A4 3.0 quattro for 2 years before swapping back to BMW and my experience was nothing as you mention, every panek squeaked, the ride was poorly damped, the handling was very sterile but in fairness I will say that the levels of grip generated by the quattro was staggering. Now, I had an RS4 for a week not long back and it's a great car, but Audi still haven't sussed why BMW drivers drive BMW's. The reason why alot of people are passionate about BMW's is the way they drive, RWD can't be beaten for fun, precision and balance and belting on a hugely heavy 4wd system destroys this feeling and connection with the road. The RS4 is mighily impressive but just think how good it would be if it too, like the M3, was RWD and alot lighter, that is why the M3 albiet 7 years old, still beats an RS4 in the handling dept and why it still beats the RS4 on track
squeezebm said:
stimmers said:
squeezebm said:
stimmers said:
MK4 Slowride said:
I'd have a BMW over an Audi anyday, I'm not biassed at all 
just because I work for BMW 
I really need to go for a burn in the Audi to pass a professional opinion so got a bit of a wait before that'll happen.
Having been a BMW customer for 9 years. I have just switched to Audi and from the cars i have drive, RS4, S4, RS6 and yet to drive my S5 (ordered an RS5) , i personally think Audi are building much better looking cars, much better interiors and on the whole, better engines. just because I work for BMW I really need to go for a burn in the Audi to pass a professional opinion so got a bit of a wait before that'll happen.
I've been seriously impressed with everything Audi so far, they have outdone BMW in every department thus far
May i suggest you grow up a little bit, stop being jelous when there is nothing to be jelous of and get over your obvious smalll man syndrome
Edited by stimmers on Saturday 16th June 17:09
PS - If i make a typo on a computer, im really not going to lose sleep over it. Just wondering if your going to point out everyones spelling mistakes on this thread, including your own, or just mine?
I won't be wasting anymore of my time responding to your random, strange and ironic comments. So knock yourself out
Edited by stimmers on Sunday 17th June 12:31
stimmers said:
squeezebm said:
stimmers said:
squeezebm said:
stimmers said:
MK4 Slowride said:
I'd have a BMW over an Audi anyday, I'm not biassed at all just because I work for BMW
I really need to go for a burn in the Audi to pass a professional opinion so got a bit of a wait before that'll happen.
Having been a BMW customer for 9 years. I have just switched to Audi and from the cars i have drive, RS4, S4, RS6 and yet to drive my S5 (ordered an RS5) , i personally think Audi are building much better looking cars, much better interiors and on the whole, better engines. just because I work for BMW I really need to go for a burn in the Audi to pass a professional opinion so got a bit of a wait before that'll happen.
I've been seriously impressed with everything Audi so far, they have outdone BMW in every department thus far
May i suggest you grow up a little bit, stop being jelous when there is nothing to be jelous of and get over your obvious smalll man syndrome
Edited by stimmers on Saturday 16th June 17:09
PS - If i make a typo on a computer, im really not going to lose sleep over it. Just wondering if your going to point out everyones spelling mistakes on this thread, including your own, or just mine?
I won't be wasting anymore of my time responding to your random, strange and ironic comments. So knock yourself out
Edited by stimmers on Sunday 17th June 12:31
Zod said:
Crimp a Length said:
At the end of the day its an M3, the image was lost a long time ago, whether its a coupe/saloon/convertible/estate, it will look the same as the rest of the new 3 series, bloody boring, at least Audi's have a classier image, and the bottom line is they look a million dollars compared with a Beemer no one can argue with that.
Fast saloon/estate/conv = RS4
If its gotta be a beemer then M5 anyday, just put a paper bag over yer head!
Fast saloon/estate/conv = RS4
If its gotta be a beemer then M5 anyday, just put a paper bag over yer head!
Edited by Crimp a Length on Friday 15th June 19:23
If you want to come in here and troll, at least learn to spell.Just checked yer profile that explains it, a fecking solicitor, money for being corrupt, and an M5
on top of that.........gets worse!I'll step back into Germanys finest thankyou.
squeezebm said:
alex_123_fra said:
MK4 Slowride said:
You might think Audi are building better engines but the proof's in the pudding, BMW have won numerous consecutive engineering awards for their engines, Audi haven't. Also to have a good interior you have to spend that bit extra on leather instead of cloth, and you need to decide on what type of leather as well.
I don't think audi need to prove their engine build quality/performance and reliability to anyone. Le mans has been testament to this for years...including this year too most probably.As far as build quality of the interior (as well as remainder of the car), my experience is in comparing the E46 M3 with the B7 RS4. Frankly I have seen constipated turds built more solidly than my M3 (which was bought with only 2,500 miles on the clock). The bodywork/gapping/joins and interior were awful. Plastics were cheap. Leather was of rubbish quality.
The E90 M3 has a LOT of work to do even keep on par with a B7 RS4. That plus the fact that within half a year, there will be a complete flood of them everywhere (made worse by the addition of the saloon). If it really turns out to be a good car, I'd save your money and buy a low milleage used example in about half a year.
Edited by squeezebm on Saturday 16th June 23:53
Edited by squeezebm on Saturday 16th June 23:55
Even the RS4 was not actually designed to be a "rival" to the E46 M3. It is a fast saloon/avant/carbiolet rather than a sports coupe (M3). BMW are the ones who then crapped themselves and went and made the new M3 with (conveniently) identical power (although inferior torque) to the 4.2 Ltr V8 FSI engine. Oh and talk about copycats...there is now a new M3 estate and saloon being released!!...surprise.
If you want to talk direct rivals to the new M3, the forthcoming RS5 (coupe) is a much better bet...and as such, will doubtless put the M3 to shame in all departments.
Audi do their own thing...their RS models (which are produced in limited numbers) don't hope to steal much of the over-mass-produced M3/M5 equivalent market and appeal to different types of drivers.
alex_123_fra said:
Audi do their own thing...their RS models (which are produced in limited numbers) don't hope to steal much of the over-mass-produced M3/M5 equivalent market and appeal to different types of drivers.
Surely not - just look at this discussion! I am vaguely considering an RS5 as an alternative to the E90, to replace my E46. Personally I prefer the look and feel of BM's to Audi's both inside and out, and I like that the BM manages to have more space inside a shorter car. Maybe I should get an RS4, but I hate that Audi so often bring these sporting versions out towards the end of the base model's life - it will look outdated within 5 minutes.So far as 4wd versus rwd goes, I expect the rwd car to put more power down on a dry road, the 4wd on a wet road. I have owned C4 and Evo in the past, but I have never felt the need for 4wd traction in the E46 - perhaps because I tend to be rather prudent in the wet.
Anyway, it will probably be the M3 again for me. My biggest question is which gearbox to choose. What have any of you heard about the dual clutch gearbox, and when do you think it will first be possible to try one? I put my deposit down a couple of years ago, but think I want to try the new gearbox before deciding, so I don't suppose I can hope to have the car before this time next year.
Personally, I think it will be a winner, and early cars will hold their values very well for a while.
squeezebm said:
alex_123_fra said:
MK4 Slowride said:
You might think Audi are building better engines but the proof's in the pudding, BMW have won numerous consecutive engineering awards for their engines, Audi haven't. Also to have a good interior you have to spend that bit extra on leather instead of cloth, and you need to decide on what type of leather as well.
I don't think audi need to prove their engine build quality/performance and reliability to anyone. Le mans has been testament to this for years...including this year too most probably.As far as build quality of the interior (as well as remainder of the car), my experience is in comparing the E46 M3 with the B7 RS4. Frankly I have seen constipated turds built more solidly than my M3 (which was bought with only 2,500 miles on the clock). The bodywork/gapping/joins and interior were awful. Plastics were cheap. Leather was of rubbish quality.
The E90 M3 has a LOT of work to do even keep on par with a B7 RS4. That plus the fact that within half a year, there will be a complete flood of them everywhere (made worse by the addition of the saloon). If it really turns out to be a good car, I'd save your money and buy a low milleage used example in about half a year.
Edited by squeezebm on Saturday 16th June 23:53
Edited by squeezebm on Saturday 16th June 23:55
MK4 Slowride said:
We're forgetting the fact the the E46 M3 had the New S4 in a straight line drag race. This is especially good when considering:- Audi has 2 extra cylinders and 1000CC more than the BMW yet only puts out 1HP more. Also like's been said the new M3's out in spet so Audi are back to square 1.
I would think the S4 is more comparable to the 335i than the M3 in terms of its place in the lineup. When the M3 is compared to the RS4 it doesn't seem so good...Really its a bit like the Scoob vs Evo thing - they're both great cars without that much between them in performance at any time, some years one will be 'better', some years the other will. And some people still manage to develop such an obsession that they refuse to accept the merit of the other car, bowing fervently before the altar of their chosen car before rushing out to do battle with similar fans of the 'other' brand, with their fingers blocking their ears shouting "mines better than yours". And its all pretty lame and boring really.
ETA: did I offend anyone?
Edited by GravelBen on Tuesday 19th June 10:42
GravelBen said:
MK4 Slowride said:
We're forgetting the fact the the E46 M3 had the New S4 in a straight line drag race. This is especially good when considering:- Audi has 2 extra cylinders and 1000CC more than the BMW yet only puts out 1HP more. Also like's been said the new M3's out in spet so Audi are back to square 1.
I would think the S4 is more comparable to the 335i than the M3 in terms of its place in the lineup. When the M3 is compared to the RS4 it doesn't seem so good...Really its a bit like the Scoob vs Evo thing - they're both great cars without that much between them in performance at any time, some years one will be 'better', some years the other will. And some people still manage to develop such an obsession that they refuse to accept the merit of the other car, bowing fervently before the altar of their chosen car before rushing out to do battle with similar fans of the 'other' brand, with their fingers blocking their ears shouting "mines better than yours". And its all pretty lame and boring really.
ETA: did I offend anyone?
Edited by GravelBen on Tuesday 19th June 10:42
alex_123_fra said:
squeezebm said:
alex_123_fra said:
MK4 Slowride said:
You might think Audi are building better engines but the proof's in the pudding, BMW have won numerous consecutive engineering awards for their engines, Audi haven't. Also to have a good interior you have to spend that bit extra on leather instead of cloth, and you need to decide on what type of leather as well.
I don't think audi need to prove their engine build quality/performance and reliability to anyone. Le mans has been testament to this for years...including this year too most probably.As far as build quality of the interior (as well as remainder of the car), my experience is in comparing the E46 M3 with the B7 RS4. Frankly I have seen constipated turds built more solidly than my M3 (which was bought with only 2,500 miles on the clock). The bodywork/gapping/joins and interior were awful. Plastics were cheap. Leather was of rubbish quality.
The E90 M3 has a LOT of work to do even keep on par with a B7 RS4. That plus the fact that within half a year, there will be a complete flood of them everywhere (made worse by the addition of the saloon). If it really turns out to be a good car, I'd save your money and buy a low milleage used example in about half a year.
Edited by squeezebm on Saturday 16th June 23:53
Edited by squeezebm on Saturday 16th June 23:55
Even the RS4 was not actually designed to be a "rival" to the E46 M3. It is a fast saloon/avant/carbiolet rather than a sports coupe (M3). BMW are the ones who then crapped themselves and went and made the new M3 with (conveniently) identical power (although inferior torque) to the 4.2 Ltr V8 FSI engine. Oh and talk about copycats...there is now a new M3 estate and saloon being released!!...surprise.
If you want to talk direct rivals to the new M3, the forthcoming RS5 (coupe) is a much better bet...and as such, will doubtless put the M3 to shame in all departments.
Audi do their own thing...their RS models (which are produced in limited numbers) don't hope to steal much of the over-mass-produced M3/M5 equivalent market and appeal to different types of drivers.
Mate of mine has gotta an 03 M3 all the bits/bells and whistles etc,in other words fully loaded. 40k on clock FSH and wants around 20k for it!!
I'm surprised but he can't shift it, and claims he will lose hand over fist on it.
The residuels on these is poor nowadays isn't it?
I was looking at replacing her indoors car with something a bit more practical to replace the RX8 and thought the M3 would be a reasonable choice as an RS4 which is what she would like (dream on!!) are still mega bucks.
Looked on here and theres 100's for sale, maybe cheaper in the long run to hold onto the RX8?
Or land myself a cheap saloon like the M3
I'm surprised but he can't shift it, and claims he will lose hand over fist on it.
The residuels on these is poor nowadays isn't it?
I was looking at replacing her indoors car with something a bit more practical to replace the RX8 and thought the M3 would be a reasonable choice as an RS4 which is what she would like (dream on!!) are still mega bucks.
Looked on here and theres 100's for sale, maybe cheaper in the long run to hold onto the RX8?
Or land myself a cheap saloon like the M3
Crimp a Length said:
Mate of mine has gotta an 03 M3 all the bits/bells and whistles etc,in other words fully loaded. 40k on clock FSH and wants around 20k for it!!
I'm surprised but he can't shift it, and claims he will lose hand over fist on it.
The residuels on these is poor nowadays isn't it?
I was looking at replacing her indoors car with something a bit more practical to replace the RX8 and thought the M3 would be a reasonable choice as an RS4 which is what she would like (dream on!!) are still mega bucks.
Looked on here and theres 100's for sale, maybe cheaper in the long run to hold onto the RX8?
Or land myself a cheap saloon like the M3
03-M3 FSH full loaded with 40K will be worht at least £25,000. Had a mate who sold his individual M3 with 52,000 miles for £20,000.I'm surprised but he can't shift it, and claims he will lose hand over fist on it.
The residuels on these is poor nowadays isn't it?
I was looking at replacing her indoors car with something a bit more practical to replace the RX8 and thought the M3 would be a reasonable choice as an RS4 which is what she would like (dream on!!) are still mega bucks.
Looked on here and theres 100's for sale, maybe cheaper in the long run to hold onto the RX8?
Or land myself a cheap saloon like the M3
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