RE: The new BMW M3
Discussion
Olf said:
Pugsey said:
Olf said:
Pugsey said:
m3dmac said:
drove the new m3, then the 335d coupe ,then the 335i coupe,
bought the 335i coupe which had more torque and acceleration in the mid range than the m3 and kept accelerating right to the end.
the m3 was a dog till 6500 revs then it took off but had to change gear almost right away
the 335d was obviously a quick diesel, but a bit rubbery in response and rev limited,
the 335i was so much better, a responsive quick road holding car with no lag and in normal roads quicker than the m3 and the 335d
the m3 seemed heavy and remote from the road although the tires [michelin pilot sport]were better than the awful run flats on the 335i
birds and ca automotive do an upgrade to 360hp[remap] from £1700-£2500.
tried the alpina b3 which is a 360hp 335i, didn`t notice a lot of difference for £15000 extra
bought the 335i coupe which had more torque and acceleration in the mid range than the m3 and kept accelerating right to the end.
the m3 was a dog till 6500 revs then it took off but had to change gear almost right away
the 335d was obviously a quick diesel, but a bit rubbery in response and rev limited,
the 335i was so much better, a responsive quick road holding car with no lag and in normal roads quicker than the m3 and the 335d
the m3 seemed heavy and remote from the road although the tires [michelin pilot sport]were better than the awful run flats on the 335i
birds and ca automotive do an upgrade to 360hp[remap] from £1700-£2500.
tried the alpina b3 which is a 360hp 335i, didn`t notice a lot of difference for £15000 extra
If you "didn't notice a lot of difference for the £15k extra" then you have certainly made the right choice - for you.As a comparison my choice - based on having driven all three cars extensively - would be, in order or preference - M3, 335d (ideally chipped) and very firmly last the 335i. Different strokes for different folkes eh?
Because if I was considering either the 335d or 335i rather than the M3 it would mean that I was looking for the best day to day 'just get it done' car rather than a 997S competitor (the M3) and IMO the 335d fulfills that role better. In real world situations, say overtaking from 40-80 (as opposed to the irrelevant 0-60), without the hassle of bothering to drop a gear (I'd go auto anyway) it'll murder the 335i (and even embarrass an M3 if it's driver wasn't prepared and in the right gear) after all it's got 428lbft torque at below 2,000! compared with the 335i's weedy 295lbft. I found the chassis to be virtually identical to the 335i too. In Touring form a really practical, subtle mile cruncher. For me it's the M3 or (or even AND) the 335d. Why go for the 335i which seems to occupy a skimmed milk middle ground. Oh and add a DMS chip and you loose absolutely all lag and gain another 50bhp or so! Lovely.
Not wishing to be rude, but I also found it laughable that the previous poster thought the 335i was fast on road than the M3.
Pugs.
Edited by Pugsey on Monday 7th April 09:41
Add this to the fact that I've been toying with the idea of a faster car anyway and I'm leaning towards a 335i or d with say 15k on the clock.
I had been thinking though that I need to get one with efficient dynamics. Do they use this on the big engines and did you experience it working?
Edited by Olf on Monday 7th April 09:48
Pugsey said:
Olf said:
Pugsey said:
Olf said:
Pugsey said:
m3dmac said:
drove the new m3, then the 335d coupe ,then the 335i coupe,
bought the 335i coupe which had more torque and acceleration in the mid range than the m3 and kept accelerating right to the end.
the m3 was a dog till 6500 revs then it took off but had to change gear almost right away
the 335d was obviously a quick diesel, but a bit rubbery in response and rev limited,
the 335i was so much better, a responsive quick road holding car with no lag and in normal roads quicker than the m3 and the 335d
the m3 seemed heavy and remote from the road although the tires [michelin pilot sport]were better than the awful run flats on the 335i
birds and ca automotive do an upgrade to 360hp[remap] from £1700-£2500.
tried the alpina b3 which is a 360hp 335i, didn`t notice a lot of difference for £15000 extra
bought the 335i coupe which had more torque and acceleration in the mid range than the m3 and kept accelerating right to the end.
the m3 was a dog till 6500 revs then it took off but had to change gear almost right away
the 335d was obviously a quick diesel, but a bit rubbery in response and rev limited,
the 335i was so much better, a responsive quick road holding car with no lag and in normal roads quicker than the m3 and the 335d
the m3 seemed heavy and remote from the road although the tires [michelin pilot sport]were better than the awful run flats on the 335i
birds and ca automotive do an upgrade to 360hp[remap] from £1700-£2500.
tried the alpina b3 which is a 360hp 335i, didn`t notice a lot of difference for £15000 extra
If you "didn't notice a lot of difference for the £15k extra" then you have certainly made the right choice - for you.As a comparison my choice - based on having driven all three cars extensively - would be, in order or preference - M3, 335d (ideally chipped) and very firmly last the 335i. Different strokes for different folkes eh?
Because if I was considering either the 335d or 335i rather than the M3 it would mean that I was looking for the best day to day 'just get it done' car rather than a 997S competitor (the M3) and IMO the 335d fulfills that role better. In real world situations, say overtaking from 40-80 (as opposed to the irrelevant 0-60), without the hassle of bothering to drop a gear (I'd go auto anyway) it'll murder the 335i (and even embarrass an M3 if it's driver wasn't prepared and in the right gear) after all it's got 428lbft torque at below 2,000! compared with the 335i's weedy 295lbft. I found the chassis to be virtually identical to the 335i too. In Touring form a really practical, subtle mile cruncher. For me it's the M3 or (or even AND) the 335d. Why go for the 335i which seems to occupy a skimmed milk middle ground. Oh and add a DMS chip and you loose absolutely all lag and gain another 50bhp or so! Lovely.
Not wishing to be rude, but I also found it laughable that the previous poster thought the 335i was fast on road than the M3.
Pugs.
Edited by Pugsey on Monday 7th April 09:41
Add this to the fact that I've been toying with the idea of a faster car anyway and I'm leaning towards a 335i or d with say 15k on the clock.
I had been thinking though that I need to get one with efficient dynamics. Do they use this on the big engines and did you experience it working?
Edited by Olf on Monday 7th April 09:48
Olf said:
Pugsey said:
Olf said:
Pugsey said:
Olf said:
Pugsey said:
m3dmac said:
drove the new m3, then the 335d coupe ,then the 335i coupe,
bought the 335i coupe which had more torque and acceleration in the mid range than the m3 and kept accelerating right to the end.
the m3 was a dog till 6500 revs then it took off but had to change gear almost right away
the 335d was obviously a quick diesel, but a bit rubbery in response and rev limited,
the 335i was so much better, a responsive quick road holding car with no lag and in normal roads quicker than the m3 and the 335d
the m3 seemed heavy and remote from the road although the tires [michelin pilot sport]were better than the awful run flats on the 335i
birds and ca automotive do an upgrade to 360hp[remap] from £1700-£2500.
tried the alpina b3 which is a 360hp 335i, didn`t notice a lot of difference for £15000 extra
bought the 335i coupe which had more torque and acceleration in the mid range than the m3 and kept accelerating right to the end.
the m3 was a dog till 6500 revs then it took off but had to change gear almost right away
the 335d was obviously a quick diesel, but a bit rubbery in response and rev limited,
the 335i was so much better, a responsive quick road holding car with no lag and in normal roads quicker than the m3 and the 335d
the m3 seemed heavy and remote from the road although the tires [michelin pilot sport]were better than the awful run flats on the 335i
birds and ca automotive do an upgrade to 360hp[remap] from £1700-£2500.
tried the alpina b3 which is a 360hp 335i, didn`t notice a lot of difference for £15000 extra
If you "didn't notice a lot of difference for the £15k extra" then you have certainly made the right choice - for you.As a comparison my choice - based on having driven all three cars extensively - would be, in order or preference - M3, 335d (ideally chipped) and very firmly last the 335i. Different strokes for different folkes eh?
Because if I was considering either the 335d or 335i rather than the M3 it would mean that I was looking for the best day to day 'just get it done' car rather than a 997S competitor (the M3) and IMO the 335d fulfills that role better. In real world situations, say overtaking from 40-80 (as opposed to the irrelevant 0-60), without the hassle of bothering to drop a gear (I'd go auto anyway) it'll murder the 335i (and even embarrass an M3 if it's driver wasn't prepared and in the right gear) after all it's got 428lbft torque at below 2,000! compared with the 335i's weedy 295lbft. I found the chassis to be virtually identical to the 335i too. In Touring form a really practical, subtle mile cruncher. For me it's the M3 or (or even AND) the 335d. Why go for the 335i which seems to occupy a skimmed milk middle ground. Oh and add a DMS chip and you loose absolutely all lag and gain another 50bhp or so! Lovely.
Not wishing to be rude, but I also found it laughable that the previous poster thought the 335i was fast on road than the M3.
Pugs.
Edited by Pugsey on Monday 7th April 09:41
Add this to the fact that I've been toying with the idea of a faster car anyway and I'm leaning towards a 335i or d with say 15k on the clock.
I had been thinking though that I need to get one with efficient dynamics. Do they use this on the big engines and did you experience it working?
Edited by Olf on Monday 7th April 09:48
Pugsey said:
Olf said:
Pugsey said:
Olf said:
Pugsey said:
Olf said:
Pugsey said:
m3dmac said:
drove the new m3, then the 335d coupe ,then the 335i coupe,
bought the 335i coupe which had more torque and acceleration in the mid range than the m3 and kept accelerating right to the end.
the m3 was a dog till 6500 revs then it took off but had to change gear almost right away
the 335d was obviously a quick diesel, but a bit rubbery in response and rev limited,
the 335i was so much better, a responsive quick road holding car with no lag and in normal roads quicker than the m3 and the 335d
the m3 seemed heavy and remote from the road although the tires [michelin pilot sport]were better than the awful run flats on the 335i
birds and ca automotive do an upgrade to 360hp[remap] from £1700-£2500.
tried the alpina b3 which is a 360hp 335i, didn`t notice a lot of difference for £15000 extra
bought the 335i coupe which had more torque and acceleration in the mid range than the m3 and kept accelerating right to the end.
the m3 was a dog till 6500 revs then it took off but had to change gear almost right away
the 335d was obviously a quick diesel, but a bit rubbery in response and rev limited,
the 335i was so much better, a responsive quick road holding car with no lag and in normal roads quicker than the m3 and the 335d
the m3 seemed heavy and remote from the road although the tires [michelin pilot sport]were better than the awful run flats on the 335i
birds and ca automotive do an upgrade to 360hp[remap] from £1700-£2500.
tried the alpina b3 which is a 360hp 335i, didn`t notice a lot of difference for £15000 extra
If you "didn't notice a lot of difference for the £15k extra" then you have certainly made the right choice - for you.As a comparison my choice - based on having driven all three cars extensively - would be, in order or preference - M3, 335d (ideally chipped) and very firmly last the 335i. Different strokes for different folkes eh?
Because if I was considering either the 335d or 335i rather than the M3 it would mean that I was looking for the best day to day 'just get it done' car rather than a 997S competitor (the M3) and IMO the 335d fulfills that role better. In real world situations, say overtaking from 40-80 (as opposed to the irrelevant 0-60), without the hassle of bothering to drop a gear (I'd go auto anyway) it'll murder the 335i (and even embarrass an M3 if it's driver wasn't prepared and in the right gear) after all it's got 428lbft torque at below 2,000! compared with the 335i's weedy 295lbft. I found the chassis to be virtually identical to the 335i too. In Touring form a really practical, subtle mile cruncher. For me it's the M3 or (or even AND) the 335d. Why go for the 335i which seems to occupy a skimmed milk middle ground. Oh and add a DMS chip and you loose absolutely all lag and gain another 50bhp or so! Lovely.
Not wishing to be rude, but I also found it laughable that the previous poster thought the 335i was fast on road than the M3.
Pugs.
Edited by Pugsey on Monday 7th April 09:41
Add this to the fact that I've been toying with the idea of a faster car anyway and I'm leaning towards a 335i or d with say 15k on the clock.
I had been thinking though that I need to get one with efficient dynamics. Do they use this on the big engines and did you experience it working?
Edited by Olf on Monday 7th April 09:48
Well thanks for the advice. I had been drifting towards the 335i. I might have to drive both now.
Olf said:
Yes. And if they'd made an E46 M3 touring, thats what I'd be driving now, but my current commute would make the V8 just to expensive to run unfortunately.
Well thanks for the advice. I had been drifting towards the 335i. I might have to drive both now.
No probs - and yes, DO try both. Obviously my comments were based on what I'd want from a car and we're all different, so - just to head off any keyboard warriors - in isolation, the 335i is a jolly fine car. Just not for me.Well thanks for the advice. I had been drifting towards the 335i. I might have to drive both now.
Cheers.
Looked up this review after attending a Palmersport day last Friday. Great day and was looking forward to the BM as had never driven one before and replaced the Jag XKR at Palmersport which had a dodgy traction control system.
So....it sounded lovely, I quite like the looks, performance was ok but I was amazed at the lack of feel from the car. I wondered if it was me, if I was missing something so have been looking at all the reviews and they all say the same, I am surprised given their reputation.
Does anyone here know if they have improved on the steering particularly since launch?
If not, it wont be on my next 'want' list
So....it sounded lovely, I quite like the looks, performance was ok but I was amazed at the lack of feel from the car. I wondered if it was me, if I was missing something so have been looking at all the reviews and they all say the same, I am surprised given their reputation.
Does anyone here know if they have improved on the steering particularly since launch?
If not, it wont be on my next 'want' list
Just re-read this article and some of the first comments. Oh how I laughed.
So it was slated for being not as good as the E46.
On launch the F80 was slated for not being as good as the 'universally wonderful' V8 it replaced.
Now it's people (critics) are saying the F80 is now fabulous, admittedly because of the CP/facelift stuff.
There is a theme here. Upon launch, are all M cars dismissed as being a let down, only to be revered as the best thing since sliced bread when the replacement model arrives? They all seem to outperform their rivals, despite having lower power figures, no 4WD (pre new M5 of course), and be favoured over the rivals, too.
All very intriguing.
So it was slated for being not as good as the E46.
On launch the F80 was slated for not being as good as the 'universally wonderful' V8 it replaced.
Now it's people (critics) are saying the F80 is now fabulous, admittedly because of the CP/facelift stuff.
There is a theme here. Upon launch, are all M cars dismissed as being a let down, only to be revered as the best thing since sliced bread when the replacement model arrives? They all seem to outperform their rivals, despite having lower power figures, no 4WD (pre new M5 of course), and be favoured over the rivals, too.
All very intriguing.
Impressive Thread Resurrection!
The E46 M3 seemed pretty popular at Launch (grenadiing engines aside), while the E92 appears to have divided opinions based on its power delivery.
The current M3 (and M4) appear to have undergone some reengineering of their handling characteristics since launch based on reviews.
So I see your point, but engineering overreach appears to be the common theme.
The E46 M3 seemed pretty popular at Launch (grenadiing engines aside), while the E92 appears to have divided opinions based on its power delivery.
The current M3 (and M4) appear to have undergone some reengineering of their handling characteristics since launch based on reviews.
So I see your point, but engineering overreach appears to be the common theme.
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