Relieved I didn't buy an E92 M3
Discussion
jezzaaa said:
Pugsey said:
noble3r said:
i've realized that the main topic surrounding the e92 M3 seems to involve resale values. Not just on pistonheads!!!
think were forgetting that we've bought one hell of a car. she may not have the looks justified by her price tag but in every other sense she scores higher than any other equivalent out there.
do i regret not buying a 997 C2s....not one bit!!
Couldn't agree more!!!! What IS it with people that 90% of posts re this car are about depreciation - interestingly nearly all by people who haven't got one but MAY buy one. As I said earlier I 'lost' £5k over six months on mine and it was worth every £. Now if someone wants talk about the actual car I'd love to but depreciation? Boring. If people want to keep on (and on!) waiting until the 'right' time to buy that's fine. Me - I've already enjoyed a fantastic car, for a reasonable cost.think were forgetting that we've bought one hell of a car. she may not have the looks justified by her price tag but in every other sense she scores higher than any other equivalent out there.
do i regret not buying a 997 C2s....not one bit!!
Edited by Pugsey on Wednesday 4th June 12:41
waremark said:
Pugsey said:
So, I lost a little on the M3 but anticipate loosing nothing on my next two.
Go on, tell us, what are they? R8 by any chance? You get the picture though - it's about getting in early on the right cars. I agree btw that from hereon in the R8 will probably start to suffer more 'normal' depreciation. I reckon the 'halo' period can vary from as little as a few months to over a year depending on the car.Pugsey said:
waremark said:
Pugsey said:
So, I lost a little on the M3 but anticipate loosing nothing on my next two.
Go on, tell us, what are they? R8 by any chance? You get the picture though - it's about getting in early on the right cars. I agree btw that from hereon in the R8 will probably start to suffer more 'normal' depreciation. I reckon the 'halo' period can vary from as little as a few months to over a year depending on the car.Obviously it's about supply and demand- in the more rarefied market such as your next few purchases there will be limited supply and strong demand - I don't think a downturn in the economy hits this market as hard as more 'premium mainstream' models such as the E92
amare32 said:
The E92 just doesn't have the 'I want one' factor unlike the E46. Plus the market is also affected by the economy which is in a bit of a $hit state with escalating fuel prices to add to the problem so people are not so willing to borrow or pay for £50k+ cars.
Sorry but I still think that the E46 looks soooo much better than the E92 and that new front intake looks like the mouth of a confused looking rock fish which make it look as ugly as sin. The exposed exhaust box doesn't do it any favours at all. The interior looks cheap for a £50k car.
Drive one back to back with a E92 and see which one gives you the most wow factor!! I've owned both and see the latest carnation as more of a GT car. Maybe not a good thing, all depends what floats your boat. People don't seem to like deceiving speed they prefer loud noise's and lot's of tyre noise. Gives them a false sense of occasion. The E92 is far superior to the old model in both handling and performance departments. Sorry but I still think that the E46 looks soooo much better than the E92 and that new front intake looks like the mouth of a confused looking rock fish which make it look as ugly as sin. The exposed exhaust box doesn't do it any favours at all. The interior looks cheap for a £50k car.
The E46 maybe sits a little nicer than the E92, but how many new m3's have you actually seen on the road or stationary?
As for the interior well I sat in the RS4 and for the money it was a complete joke. Remembering that it too was once a 50k car. At least my M3 passes me my seat belt when I get in the car!! The rear/back seats of the RS4 could only be described as bland and thats being generous.
The interior falls short of the C63 AMG but then the merc falls short in other areas compared to the M3. My point is you ain't going to buy perfection for that money. As 'EVO' said you need to spend serious cash to match the practicality and performance of the new M3.
The older E46 M3 has a great following now its become affordable to the majority of the market. Like i'm sure your all agree when the E92 hits 30k you won't be on here complaining then. I though will be on here justifying my next purchase to someone who just wants to talk about the cars shortcomings in relation to its price.
amare32 said:
The E92 just doesn't have the 'I want one' factor unlike the E46. Plus the market is also affected by the economy which is in a bit of a $hit state with escalating fuel prices to add to the problem so people are not so willing to borrow or pay for £50k+ cars.
Sorry but I still think that the E46 looks soooo much better than the E92 and that new front intake looks like the mouth of a confused looking rock fish which make it look as ugly as sin. The exposed exhaust box doesn't do it any favours at all. The interior looks cheap for a £50k car.
Shame about that box you don't like on the E92 because if you're in the E46 version you'll be seeing lot of it!;)Sorry but I still think that the E46 looks soooo much better than the E92 and that new front intake looks like the mouth of a confused looking rock fish which make it look as ugly as sin. The exposed exhaust box doesn't do it any favours at all. The interior looks cheap for a £50k car.
Seriously when you've driven both let me know if you still feel the same - and why.
Pugsey said:
amare32 said:
The E92 just doesn't have the 'I want one' factor unlike the E46. Plus the market is also affected by the economy which is in a bit of a $hit state with escalating fuel prices to add to the problem so people are not so willing to borrow or pay for £50k+ cars.
Sorry but I still think that the E46 looks soooo much better than the E92 and that new front intake looks like the mouth of a confused looking rock fish which make it look as ugly as sin. The exposed exhaust box doesn't do it any favours at all. The interior looks cheap for a £50k car.
Shame about that box you don't like on the E92 because if you're in the E46 version you'll be seeing lot of it!;)Sorry but I still think that the E46 looks soooo much better than the E92 and that new front intake looks like the mouth of a confused looking rock fish which make it look as ugly as sin. The exposed exhaust box doesn't do it any favours at all. The interior looks cheap for a £50k car.
Seriously when you've driven both let me know if you still feel the same - and why.
When the E46 M3 was released in 2001, in my mid-teens I thought it looked brilliant especially on 18s, and I really lusted after one. Fast forward to 2008- now in my early 20s and whilst the E92 is undoubtedly more capable and better engineered than the E46, I still don't have the same lust for the E92. The principle M car I now desire is the E63 M6- probably the best performance car for £45k....
Pugsey said:
amare32 said:
The E92 just doesn't have the 'I want one' factor unlike the E46. Plus the market is also affected by the economy which is in a bit of a $hit state with escalating fuel prices to add to the problem so people are not so willing to borrow or pay for £50k+ cars.
Sorry but I still think that the E46 looks soooo much better than the E92 and that new front intake looks like the mouth of a confused looking rock fish which make it look as ugly as sin. The exposed exhaust box doesn't do it any favours at all. The interior looks cheap for a £50k car.
Shame about that box you don't like on the E92 because if you're in the E46 version you'll be seeing lot of it!;)Sorry but I still think that the E46 looks soooo much better than the E92 and that new front intake looks like the mouth of a confused looking rock fish which make it look as ugly as sin. The exposed exhaust box doesn't do it any favours at all. The interior looks cheap for a £50k car.
Seriously when you've driven both let me know if you still feel the same - and why.
I did have an E46 for a couple of years and am contemplating getting back into the M3 in CSL form to compliment the bike. But for those who thinks an M3 is fast, most sportsbikes would blow it into the weeds.
Anyway, I'll reserve judgement until I've driven the E92.
In a straight line the bike is quicker....
Get on a nice twisty road where both the car and bike aren't hindered by traffic and see what happens.
Track times tell it all... IIRC the cars have it on speed round most tracks
P.S This is coming froma non-M owning ex sports bike rider (last was a GSXR1000 3 years ago)
Get on a nice twisty road where both the car and bike aren't hindered by traffic and see what happens.
Track times tell it all... IIRC the cars have it on speed round most tracks
P.S This is coming froma non-M owning ex sports bike rider (last was a GSXR1000 3 years ago)
dubbs said:
In a straight line the bike is quicker....
Get on a nice twisty road where both the car and bike aren't hindered by traffic and see what happens.
Track times tell it all... IIRC the cars have it on speed round most tracks
P.S This is coming froma non-M owning ex sports bike rider (last was a GSXR1000 3 years ago)
Exactly,i've have a few big bikes over the years and used to piss myself watching some of the boys go like fGet on a nice twisty road where both the car and bike aren't hindered by traffic and see what happens.
Track times tell it all... IIRC the cars have it on speed round most tracks
P.S This is coming froma non-M owning ex sports bike rider (last was a GSXR1000 3 years ago)
k in a straight line only to ride like grannies as soon as an island or decent set of bends came up !!! prefer the M as its just as fast point to point and a lot more comfortable thanks .Or maybe at 36 i might just be getting old !!!Edited by squeezebm on Saturday 7th June 21:29
squeezebm said:
dubbs said:
In a straight line the bike is quicker....
Get on a nice twisty road where both the car and bike aren't hindered by traffic and see what happens.
Track times tell it all... IIRC the cars have it on speed round most tracks
P.S This is coming froma non-M owning ex sports bike rider (last was a GSXR1000 3 years ago)
Exactly,i've have a few big bikes over the years and used to piss myself watching some of the boys go like fGet on a nice twisty road where both the car and bike aren't hindered by traffic and see what happens.
Track times tell it all... IIRC the cars have it on speed round most tracks
P.S This is coming froma non-M owning ex sports bike rider (last was a GSXR1000 3 years ago)
k in a straight line only to ride like grannies as sound as an island or decent set of bends came up !!! prefer the M as its just as fast point to point and a lot more comfortable thanks .Or maybe at 36 i might just be getting old !!!I'm happy to take the car when I want comfort or the bike for a blast on a nice day so I get the best of both worlds
Edited by amare32 on Saturday 7th June 21:47
phatgixer said:
Trust me, my GSXR1000 will absolutely murder my M3 in any circumstance. It is massively fast.
Snow excepted.
Look at the figures of course any big bike should make any fast car look daft,but in the real world they dont, and i know, Got both. bikes are fun but the roads are just getting silly now long gone are the days when you could have a good Tues night/Sunday morning play.Too many coppers and dSnow excepted.
heads to worry about.Shame really. amare32 said:
Pugsey said:
amare32 said:
The E92 just doesn't have the 'I want one' factor unlike the E46. Plus the market is also affected by the economy which is in a bit of a $hit state with escalating fuel prices to add to the problem so people are not so willing to borrow or pay for £50k+ cars.
Sorry but I still think that the E46 looks soooo much better than the E92 and that new front intake looks like the mouth of a confused looking rock fish which make it look as ugly as sin. The exposed exhaust box doesn't do it any favours at all. The interior looks cheap for a £50k car.
Shame about that box you don't like on the E92 because if you're in the E46 version you'll be seeing lot of it!;)Sorry but I still think that the E46 looks soooo much better than the E92 and that new front intake looks like the mouth of a confused looking rock fish which make it look as ugly as sin. The exposed exhaust box doesn't do it any favours at all. The interior looks cheap for a £50k car.
Seriously when you've driven both let me know if you still feel the same - and why.
I did have an E46 for a couple of years and am contemplating getting back into the M3 in CSL form to compliment the bike. But for those who thinks an M3 is fast, most sportsbikes would blow it into the weeds.
Anyway, I'll reserve judgement until I've driven the E92.
Having said that, most bikes will get away from most cars on road - purely down to traffic conditions. However, as others have pointed out cars murder bikes on track - and therefore for ultimate point to point speed when conditions allow. ALSO, whenever I've been in a decent car and had a dice with a bike on a clear twisty road I've always found myself being held up under braking, entry and corner speed. IMHO there are VERY, VERY few out there who can get anywhere near the edge a decent bikes performance envelope. That said, what enormous fun and performance for relatively small outlay! Pugsey said:
amare32 said:
Pugsey said:
amare32 said:
The E92 just doesn't have the 'I want one' factor unlike the E46. Plus the market is also affected by the economy which is in a bit of a $hit state with escalating fuel prices to add to the problem so people are not so willing to borrow or pay for £50k+ cars.
Sorry but I still think that the E46 looks soooo much better than the E92 and that new front intake looks like the mouth of a confused looking rock fish which make it look as ugly as sin. The exposed exhaust box doesn't do it any favours at all. The interior looks cheap for a £50k car.
Shame about that box you don't like on the E92 because if you're in the E46 version you'll be seeing lot of it!;)Sorry but I still think that the E46 looks soooo much better than the E92 and that new front intake looks like the mouth of a confused looking rock fish which make it look as ugly as sin. The exposed exhaust box doesn't do it any favours at all. The interior looks cheap for a £50k car.
Seriously when you've driven both let me know if you still feel the same - and why.
I did have an E46 for a couple of years and am contemplating getting back into the M3 in CSL form to compliment the bike. But for those who thinks an M3 is fast, most sportsbikes would blow it into the weeds.
Anyway, I'll reserve judgement until I've driven the E92.
Having said that, most bikes will get away from most cars on road - purely down to traffic conditions. However, as others have pointed out cars murder bikes on track - and therefore for ultimate point to point speed when conditions allow. ALSO, whenever I've been in a decent car and had a dice with a bike on a clear twisty road I've always found myself being held up under braking, entry and corner speed. IMHO there are VERY, VERY few out there who can get anywhere near the edge a decent bikes performance envelope. That said, what enormous fun and performance for relatively small outlay! 
Yeah maybe the E92 will trump the E46 for speed but it's all down to the driver at the end of the day, would you be so confident racing against Walter Wohrl with him driving an E46 and you in an E92? Heck, he'd probably still beat us all even if he was wheeling an Astra Van against an M3 Agree on the performance per £ you get for a bike v cars. I still cringe when I total the amount of money I've lost on car depreciation for the last 12 years of motoring. So with that in mind, I'm kinda swaying more towards the M3 CSL the prices have firmed up... well until the E92 CSL arrives.
amare32 said:
Pugsey said:
amare32 said:
Pugsey said:
amare32 said:
The E92 just doesn't have the 'I want one' factor unlike the E46. Plus the market is also affected by the economy which is in a bit of a $hit state with escalating fuel prices to add to the problem so people are not so willing to borrow or pay for £50k+ cars.
Sorry but I still think that the E46 looks soooo much better than the E92 and that new front intake looks like the mouth of a confused looking rock fish which make it look as ugly as sin. The exposed exhaust box doesn't do it any favours at all. The interior looks cheap for a £50k car.
Shame about that box you don't like on the E92 because if you're in the E46 version you'll be seeing lot of it!;)Sorry but I still think that the E46 looks soooo much better than the E92 and that new front intake looks like the mouth of a confused looking rock fish which make it look as ugly as sin. The exposed exhaust box doesn't do it any favours at all. The interior looks cheap for a £50k car.
Seriously when you've driven both let me know if you still feel the same - and why.
I did have an E46 for a couple of years and am contemplating getting back into the M3 in CSL form to compliment the bike. But for those who thinks an M3 is fast, most sportsbikes would blow it into the weeds.
Anyway, I'll reserve judgement until I've driven the E92.
Having said that, most bikes will get away from most cars on road - purely down to traffic conditions. However, as others have pointed out cars murder bikes on track - and therefore for ultimate point to point speed when conditions allow. ALSO, whenever I've been in a decent car and had a dice with a bike on a clear twisty road I've always found myself being held up under braking, entry and corner speed. IMHO there are VERY, VERY few out there who can get anywhere near the edge a decent bikes performance envelope. That said, what enormous fun and performance for relatively small outlay! Yeah maybe the E92 will trump the E46 for speed but it's all down to the driver at the end of the day, would you be so confident racing against Walter Wohrl with him driving an E46 and you in an E92? Heck, he'd probably still beat us all even if he was wheeling an Astra Van against an M3 Agree on the performance per £ you get for a bike v cars. I still cringe when I total the amount of money I've lost on car depreciation for the last 12 years of motoring. So with that in mind, I'm kinda swaying more towards the M3 CSL the prices have firmed up... well until the E92 CSL arrives.
Actually, provided it wasn't at the 'Ring I probably WOULD take up that challenge. Hows that for confidence! Or maybe somewhat tenuous grip on reality. Who knows.
squeezebm said:
phatgixer said:
Trust me, my GSXR1000 will absolutely murder my M3 in any circumstance. It is massively fast.
Snow excepted.
Look at the figures of course any big bike should make any fast car look daft,but in the real world they dont, and i know, Got both. bikes are fun but the roads are just getting silly now long gone are the days when you could have a good Tues night/Sunday morning play.Too many coppers and dSnow excepted.
heads to worry about.Shame really. phatgixer said:
squeezebm said:
phatgixer said:
Trust me, my GSXR1000 will absolutely murder my M3 in any circumstance. It is massively fast.
Snow excepted.
Look at the figures of course any big bike should make any fast car look daft,but in the real world they dont, and i know, Got both. bikes are fun but the roads are just getting silly now long gone are the days when you could have a good Tues night/Sunday morning play.Too many coppers and dSnow excepted.
heads to worry about.Shame really. 
Spoken like a true madman - sorry I mean Biker. Blimey did you watch the IOM TT on telly this morning. Those guys are NOT normal. Who cares which is faster car or bike - RESPECT.Gassing Station | M Power | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff