M5 Touring bargain

[Zod]

sjn2004 said:

Zod said:

It doesn't matter. These cars are so good that they are a bargain at list price. At <50k, they are a steal.

They are astonishingly fast.. Forget 0-60. It's all about the realm beyond that. There they are sovereign. A 997 simply cannot cope with a rampaging M5 between 200 and 250 km/h.

Edited by Zod on Sunday 27th July 01:36

And where are you going to be racing at those speeds in the UK? OK, you'll 'wink wink' but one day you'll get busted at those speeds and your professional career is down the toilet.

Thank you, Mr Sanctimonious. I don't ever drive on UK roads at those speeds. I save that for Germany and there is no "wink, wink". I bought my first M car when I lived in Germany. I still spend time there and I enjoy the freedom of the Autobahn.

[Zod]

Deva Link said:

Zod said:

It doesn't matter. These cars are so good that they are a bargain at list price. At <50k, they are a steal.

They are astonishingly fast.. Forget 0-60. It's all about the realm beyond that. There they are sovereign. A 997 simply cannot cope with a rampaging M5 between 200 and 250 km/h.

So it's completely pointless buying one of you're ever going to drive it on public roads in the UK?

Hand in your PH membership. Your argument is that any very powerful, fast car is pointless in the UK.

[Deva Link]

Zod said:

Deva Link said:

Zod said:

It doesn't matter. These cars are so good that they are a bargain at list price. At <50k, they are a steal.

They are astonishingly fast.. Forget 0-60. It's all about the realm beyond that. There they are sovereign. A 997 simply cannot cope with a rampaging M5 between 200 and 250 km/h.

So it's completely pointless buying one of you're ever going to drive it on public roads in the UK?

Hand in your PH membership. Your argument is that any very powerful, fast car is pointless in the UK.

I didn't say people shouldn't buy them - each to their own. But the realm "between 200 & 250 km/h" isn't something that you're going to experience much in the UK. Even on the autobahn, how useful is it to be able to accelerate *that* rapidly from 125 to 155mph? OK, you do it once for fun. What then?

This thread started with someone getting rid of one of these cars after 6mths as "it's too intense".

[Zod]

Deva Link said:

Zod said:

Deva Link said:

Zod said:

It doesn't matter. These cars are so good that they are a bargain at list price. At <50k, they are a steal.

They are astonishingly fast.. Forget 0-60. It's all about the realm beyond that. There they are sovereign. A 997 simply cannot cope with a rampaging M5 between 200 and 250 km/h.

So it's completely pointless buying one of you're ever going to drive it on public roads in the UK?

Hand in your PH membership. Your argument is that any very powerful, fast car is pointless in the UK.

I didn't say people shouldn't buy them - each to their own. But the realm "between 200 & 250 km/h" isn't something that you're going to experience much in the UK. Even on the autobahn, how useful is it to be able to accelerate *that* rapidly from 125 to 155mph? OK, you do it once for fun. What then?

This thread started with someone getting rid of one of these cars after 6mths as "it's too intense".

On the Autobahn, it is very useful. If you are cruising at 220 km/h and you have to slow down to 160 or so because somebody pulls out ahead to overtake, then being able to get back up to cruise speed rapidly is a good thing, particularly because of the likelihood of a Porsche turning up on your rear end flashing impatiently when you slow down.

[Deva Link]

Zod said:

Deva Link said:

Zod said:

Deva Link said:

Zod said:

It doesn't matter. These cars are so good that they are a bargain at list price. At <50k, they are a steal.

They are astonishingly fast.. Forget 0-60. It's all about the realm beyond that. There they are sovereign. A 997 simply cannot cope with a rampaging M5 between 200 and 250 km/h.

So it's completely pointless buying one of you're ever going to drive it on public roads in the UK?

Hand in your PH membership. Your argument is that any very powerful, fast car is pointless in the UK.

I didn't say people shouldn't buy them - each to their own. But the realm "between 200 & 250 km/h" isn't something that you're going to experience much in the UK. Even on the autobahn, how useful is it to be able to accelerate *that* rapidly from 125 to 155mph? OK, you do it once for fun. What then?

This thread started with someone getting rid of one of these cars after 6mths as "it's too intense".

On the Autobahn, it is very useful. If you are cruising at 220 km/h and you have to slow down to 160 or so because somebody pulls out ahead to overtake, then being able to get back up to cruise speed rapidly is a good thing, particularly because of the likelihood of a Porsche turning up on your rear end flashing impatiently when you slow down.

Right. OK then.

[Deutscher]

Zod said:

On the Autobahn, it is very useful. If you are cruising at 220 km/h and you have to slow down to 160 or so because somebody pulls out ahead to overtake, then being able to get back up to cruise speed rapidly is a good thing, particularly because of the likelihood of a Porsche turning up on your rear end flashing impatiently when you slow down.

So, for most people, it's not very useful 99% of the time.

[Bernie-the-bolt]

Deutscher said:

So, for most people, it's not very useful 99% of the time.

But what a wonderful situation to be in.........

Having one of (if not) the best 'not very useful' cars in your drive

[Zod]

Deutscher said:

Zod said:

On the Autobahn, it is very useful. If you are cruising at 220 km/h and you have to slow down to 160 or so because somebody pulls out ahead to overtake, then being able to get back up to cruise speed rapidly is a good thing, particularly because of the likelihood of a Porsche turning up on your rear end flashing impatiently when you slow down.

So, for most people, it's not very useful 99% of the time.

it's also a very quick car in normal territory. A great all-rounder, except for its fuel consumption.

[Deva Link]

Zod said:

it's also a very quick car in normal territory. A great all-rounder, except for its fuel consumption.

In your opinion.

But not in the opinion of the OP's colleague, who is dumping his after 6mths.

[Zod]

actually, the OP said his boss loved it, but found it too hardcore.

We all have different thresholds;there are some here who claim to have used Caterhams for the everyday; I came to the M5 from a CSL, compared with which the M5 is a wafty limousine.

[Deva Link]

Zod said:

actually, the OP said his boss loved it, but found it too hardcore.

actually, he said it was no good as a cruiser - which, realistically, is probably about 80% of most business users use.

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of them but my main beef is they're a complete rip-off.

[Zod]

I can't see any problem with them as cruisers. I've done whole days of continental cruising in mine. It even gets semi-respectable mpg when you cruise at 130 km/h - you get 500km out of a tank.

As for being a rip-off, they were a bargain new (just think of anything remotely comparable that costs so little) and are an utter steal at the prices being asked now for second-hand ones. I simply cannot comprehend how you can call them a rip-off.

[Deva Link]

Zod said:

I simply cannot comprehend how you can call them a rip-off.

vs the price in the US.

[Zod]

that's the same for any car. Try complaining to the Danes, the Irish or the Aussies that cars are expensive in the UK.

[dan101smith]

You cannot buy a new M5 in the UK for the price of a new M5 in the US, so it's an irrelevant comparison. Now compare an M5 against an RS6, E63 etc and suddenly they don't look like bad value at all.

[Gazzab]

I struggle with £76K being a bargain.
Surely the car is a 5 series with better suspension and a bigger engine. I can understand the need to put a premium price on such a car but £40K higher than a more basic model. How does that work?

[Deva Link]

Gazzab said:

I struggle with £76K being a bargain.
Surely the car is a 5 series with better suspension and a bigger engine. I can understand the need to put a premium price on such a car but £40K higher than a more basic model. How does that work?

That's what US buyers said. They also said they wanted better warranty, free servicing, and cars delivered from stock - none of this 12-16 weeks rubbish.

They got all that. BMW loves UK buyers.

Edited by Deva Link on Tuesday 29th July 11:37

[Zod]

Gazzab said:

I struggle with £76K being a bargain.
Surely the car is a 5 series with better suspension and a bigger engine. I can understand the need to put a premium price on such a car but £40K higher than a more basic model. How does that work?

OK, let's talk about the price of a CLK Black then.......

[sadlerj]

I tend to agree with Mr Zod, I find my a fantastic relaxed cruiser, as long as you stay away from the m button, and make the shifts a few presses quicker than default. The only issues are low speed manouvering and bloody MPG...but if I cared about either of those I would not be on PH.

[AlexArm]

But if you are cruising and doing 200 miles a day then why not buy a 535d Touring? DMS the baby and then you have the best of both worlds in terms of performance and fuel economy. Thats what I did...would never buy an M5 or RS6 for that job.