RE: X6-based M Model On the Way

[Vedrfolner]

Mr Whippy said:

Vedrfolner said:

If you like a car, your opinion is valuable since you are a possible buyer. If you don't like said car, your opinion is worthless since you are not a possible buyer. Car manufacturers don't develop new concepts based on disinterest in a non-existing market.

Hmmmm...

I'm sure the opinions of people who don't like cars are important.

BMW may well alter their car to please more people to improve sales, rather than ignore them.

Give it 500bhp by all means, but it's not worthy of an M badge because it's powerful with big wheels and brakes. Just call it an X6 5.0 or whatever it will be. Porsche didn't call their Cayenne a GT2 because it was the most powerful expensive one for example.

Dave

The M badge, as put on the whole range signifying a more powerful car than normal, isn't something highly classy and doesn't to most people mean anything else than the car being more powerful and expensive. To you it seems to be quite so glorified. Are you really only upset about the name???

[Pugsey]

Mr Whippy said:

Pugsey said:

Mr Whippy said:

Magners P.H said:

Mr Whippy, do you have a flip chart of functional criteria that you need to tick before you buy a car?

You are looking at the X6 from the wrong perspective.

Which perspective should I look at it from?

If I want a performance M car, I'll be wanting a sports car, which by definition will need to be small(ish), light, low and have a good power to weight, along with all the rest wrt to feel and communication and nice looks etc.

For me, all good sensibility aside, it's ugly, and not 'sporty'

If I had the £80,000+ to buy one I'd assume I was pretty well off, and I'd actually buy two cars, a decent off-roader, and a decent sports car, rather than this thing.

The badge and price (bestest most expensive vulgar BMW going) will be what makes it sell if it does well, not it's supposed stunning all-round capability, but doing no one thing really well, ie, Motorsport capability.

Yes, a single lap time might be had from it, but get it to do 10, with typical under-braked BMW M brakes, tyres bald after five laps of having a 2 tonne+ behemoth to point around.
It's nice to 'pretend' it's sporty or Motorsporty because it has a big engine, but it'll actually be a big turd. Fast in a line, fast on the road, but far from a road natured track car which is what BMW M used to be about.

Dave

But I'm not sure your two car theory would work either if it came to it. You've described your ideal sports car - which you would also expect to perform well and consistantly on track. That being the case it isn't going to be the best mode of transport for say a 400 mile round trip on motorways carrying a decent load or for doing the shopping. And if your second car is a real off roader then that won't do the day to day/long journey job very well either. Tell me if you find the solution - I've been trying for years and just ended up building more and more garages!

In the meantime the X6 does the job for me. Does everything day to day - limo, fast mile muncher, load carrier, better than hot hatch performance, a bit different etc etc. Leaves room for any other car in my garage to be more 'extreme' or biased towards whatever sort of use I want it for.

M3 CSL, perfectly fine for shopping, bit cramped in the back but not massively so, about the same as my Peugeot 306 and I've done 200 miles each way trips with two adults in the back of my car comfortably enough in the same day.
Perfect car imho.
Off-road, hmmm, a few year old Range Rover. Low range box, 3.5tonne towing weight if you want to tow stuff, full diff locking, great ground clearance etc.

But thats just me. Two fine looking, capable, relatively cheap cars that do a wide range of things pretty damn well. Why I'd want a compromise of each in the form on an X M6 is beyond me, but clearly there is a market for it. That doesn't mean it's a good idea however...

Ie, Ford Kuga is the best of it's type, but the 'type' is still ultimately crap.

Dave

But I don't know why you feel you need to knock the X6 for 'compromising' and yet your CSL (for example) you regard as the "perfect car". No, it isn't. It tries to be a track car but of course it isn't - no road car is - not without a brake upgrade at bare minimum. It can, as you say do the day to day thing, but not aswell as other more 'normal' saloons. So, it's a compromise, yes? As are most cars. HOWEVER it happens to work for you so, again, for you, it is the 'perfect' car.
I repeat that in the X6 I'm looking for a big - I just like big - fast, high, mile muncher that will also do the shops or town run, be a bit different, a bit of fun if I feel like a titter and just get me there without a seconds thought if I don't. Of course it compromises - there are faster cars, better limos, etc etc but for me it works. And as I say it leaves me to have a more extreme range of cars - less compromised if you like in the garage. For example if I go to track I would use a Caterham or Radical and consider your CSL far to compromised to do the job for me. And of course I have the trusty Defender for those green lanes.

I DO agree with you on the V8 aspect however. The twin turbo diesel version isn't that much slower, has more torque and can be cheaply chipped for more power if you really need it.

[Pugsey]

Vedrfolner said:

If you like a car, your opinion is valuable since you are a possible buyer. If you don't like said car, your opinion is worthless since you are not a possible buyer. C

Rubbish! Marketing dept to sales dept "thanks for sending us info on all the people who like the car - always good to hear and of course we'll try to continue to keep them happy but what we REALLY want to know is what the people who DID'T like it and went to our competitors instead said so that we can see if there's anything we can do to change their minds and increase our customer base"

[Mr Whippy]

Pugsey said:

Mr Whippy said:

Pugsey said:

Mr Whippy said:

Magners P.H said:

Mr Whippy, do you have a flip chart of functional criteria that you need to tick before you buy a car?

You are looking at the X6 from the wrong perspective.

Which perspective should I look at it from?

If I want a performance M car, I'll be wanting a sports car, which by definition will need to be small(ish), light, low and have a good power to weight, along with all the rest wrt to feel and communication and nice looks etc.

For me, all good sensibility aside, it's ugly, and not 'sporty'

If I had the £80,000+ to buy one I'd assume I was pretty well off, and I'd actually buy two cars, a decent off-roader, and a decent sports car, rather than this thing.

The badge and price (bestest most expensive vulgar BMW going) will be what makes it sell if it does well, not it's supposed stunning all-round capability, but doing no one thing really well, ie, Motorsport capability.

Yes, a single lap time might be had from it, but get it to do 10, with typical under-braked BMW M brakes, tyres bald after five laps of having a 2 tonne+ behemoth to point around.
It's nice to 'pretend' it's sporty or Motorsporty because it has a big engine, but it'll actually be a big turd. Fast in a line, fast on the road, but far from a road natured track car which is what BMW M used to be about.

Dave

But I'm not sure your two car theory would work either if it came to it. You've described your ideal sports car - which you would also expect to perform well and consistantly on track. That being the case it isn't going to be the best mode of transport for say a 400 mile round trip on motorways carrying a decent load or for doing the shopping. And if your second car is a real off roader then that won't do the day to day/long journey job very well either. Tell me if you find the solution - I've been trying for years and just ended up building more and more garages!

In the meantime the X6 does the job for me. Does everything day to day - limo, fast mile muncher, load carrier, better than hot hatch performance, a bit different etc etc. Leaves room for any other car in my garage to be more 'extreme' or biased towards whatever sort of use I want it for.

M3 CSL, perfectly fine for shopping, bit cramped in the back but not massively so, about the same as my Peugeot 306 and I've done 200 miles each way trips with two adults in the back of my car comfortably enough in the same day.
Perfect car imho.
Off-road, hmmm, a few year old Range Rover. Low range box, 3.5tonne towing weight if you want to tow stuff, full diff locking, great ground clearance etc.

But thats just me. Two fine looking, capable, relatively cheap cars that do a wide range of things pretty damn well. Why I'd want a compromise of each in the form on an X M6 is beyond me, but clearly there is a market for it. That doesn't mean it's a good idea however...

Ie, Ford Kuga is the best of it's type, but the 'type' is still ultimately crap.

Dave

But I don't know why you feel you need to knock the X6 for 'compromising' and yet your CSL (for example) you regard as the "perfect car". No, it isn't. It tries to be a track car but of course it isn't - no road car is - not without a brake upgrade at bare minimum. It can, as you say do the day to day thing, but not aswell as other more 'normal' saloons. So, it's a compromise, yes? As are most cars. HOWEVER it happens to work for you so, again, for you, it is the 'perfect' car.
I repeat that in the X6 I'm looking for a big - I just like big - fast, high, mile muncher that will also do the shops or town run, be a bit different, a bit of fun if I feel like a titter and just get me there without a seconds thought if I don't. Of course it compromises - there are faster cars, better limos, etc etc but for me it works. And as I say it leaves me to have a more extreme range of cars - less compromised if you like in the garage. For example if I go to track I would use a Caterham or Radical and consider your CSL far to compromised to do the job for me. And of course I have the trusty Defender for those green lanes.

I DO agree with you on the V8 aspect however. The twin turbo diesel version isn't that much slower, has more torque and can be cheaply chipped for more power if you really need it.

Yeah I agree with you generally.

I really really liked the 4.8 X5, sounded really nice, went pretty nicely too, and I'm sure a 500bhp turbo version of a newly revised X5 would be almost as good as the X6 on the road, but loads better off-road and for towing etc...

In a way, the X6 just looks like a smoothed off X5, with off-road features removed, and a setup more emphasised for road use.
Surely the X5 could be setup in an almost identical fashion for the road, but with off-road features and internal capacities kept intact, without any real compromises wrt the X6?


I don't know the answers, it just seems like a 'fashionable' X5 with bits missing, a lesser car than the X5 could be.

Yes it's meant to drive well, but surely the new X5 will too?


Anyone on here driven a current X5 vs an X6? I'm interested what the pro's and con's of each were.

Dave

[Pugsey]

Mr Whippy said:

Yes it's meant to drive well, but surely the new X5 will too?


Anyone on here driven a current X5 vs an X6? I'm interested what the pro's and con's of each were.

Dave

Yes mate, I currently have the new X5dMsport which is why I'd been borrowing the X6 to compare the two. Given that, as we all know, the X5 is really very very good on road for a large SUV I have been shocked at just how much better the X6 is. It's not just superb for a big 4x4 it's genuinely good even by big 'sports' saloon car standards. Alright all right maybe not an M5 but hopefully you get my point. You would NOT live with one in your average hot hatch. No way is it just a rebodied X5. I'm on my third X5 and love them for what I use them for but I'm changing to an X6. There's no contest - unless seven (or even five) seats are important to you.

Edited by Pugsey on Friday 1st August 15:52

[gregg13]

mat205125 said:

If plastering body kitted diesels with the once-legendary M\\ logo wasn't bad enough, they are now going to prostitute the brand further by peppering the logo all over a 4mpg, 2 tonne, 20" wheeled, footballer cock extension. They should be ashamed.

Not keen then??!!

[Mr Whippy]

Pugsey said:

Mr Whippy said:

Yes it's meant to drive well, but surely the new X5 will too?


Anyone on here driven a current X5 vs an X6? I'm interested what the pro's and con's of each were.

Dave

Yes mate, I currently have the new X5dMsport which is why I'd been borrowing the X6 to compare the two. Given that, as we all know, the X5 is really very very good on road for a large SUV I have been shocked at just how much better the X6 is. It's not just superb for a big 4x4 it's genuinely good even by big 'sports' saloon car standards. Alright all right maybe not an M5 but hopefully you get my point. You would NOT live with one in your average hot hatch. No way is it just a rebodied X5. I'm on my third X5 and love them for what I use them for but I'm changing to an X6. There's no contest - unless seven (or even five) seats are important to you.

Edited by Pugsey on Friday 1st August 15:52

I wonder what makes the difference. Considering very similar key dimensions and masses, it makes you wonder why the X5 can't match the X6...

Not saying you are wrong, I just wonder what makes a car so similar on the face of it, so different. It's big, check, tall, check, draggy, check, awd, check, etc etc

Hmmmm

Dave

[Pugsey]

Mr Whippy said:

Pugsey said:

Mr Whippy said:

Yes it's meant to drive well, but surely the new X5 will too?


Anyone on here driven a current X5 vs an X6? I'm interested what the pro's and con's of each were.

Dave

Yes mate, I currently have the new X5dMsport which is why I'd been borrowing the X6 to compare the two. Given that, as we all know, the X5 is really very very good on road for a large SUV I have been shocked at just how much better the X6 is. It's not just superb for a big 4x4 it's genuinely good even by big 'sports' saloon car standards. Alright all right maybe not an M5 but hopefully you get my point. You would NOT live with one in your average hot hatch. No way is it just a rebodied X5. I'm on my third X5 and love them for what I use them for but I'm changing to an X6. There's no contest - unless seven (or even five) seats are important to you.

Edited by Pugsey on Friday 1st August 15:52

I wonder what makes the difference. Considering very similar key dimensions and masses, it makes you wonder why the X5 can't match the X6...

Not saying you are wrong, I just wonder what makes a car so similar on the face of it, so different. It's big, check, tall, check, draggy, check, awd, check, etc etc

Hmmmm

Dave

Lots of differences between the two chassis. X6 has much more
sophisticated version of 'Dynamic Performance Control' (basically splits drive between individual wheels rather than just front and back) and you can also spec Active Drive (does all sorts of things like stiffening the anti-roll bars as cornering forces build). Lots more too I'm told but oily bits bore me!

Take it from me I actually still (slightly) prefer the X5 looks wise but I'm changing purely for the better chassis. I noticed a big difference.

Edited by Pugsey on Friday 1st August 17:19

[squeezebm]

I tried the X6 in 35d form last month with a view to replacing the E39 as the workhorse,i thought the ride was terrible over anything but smooth tarmac it banged and crashed all over the place,this was put down by the saleswoman as the 20" wheels it was wearing, which were part of the dynamic pack . In fact over the same roads with the E92M (albeit with EDC in Comfort) was 3 x times better in the ride quality . It was built well and is the same as the X5 really inside,apart from losing a seat and not being able to see much out of the back window !! Plenty of slots still available for Spt/Oct Del .But as we drove back onto the stealers lot i just couldnt help noticing how many nearly new X5's were sat there for a lot lot less ????

Edited by squeezebm on Friday 1st August 16:55

[Pugsey]

squeezebm said:

I tried the X6 in 35d form last month with a view to replacing the E39 as the workhorse,i thought the ride was terrible over anything but smooth tarmac it banged and crashed all over the place,this was put down by the saleswoman as the 20" wheels it was wearing, which were part of the dynamic pack . In fact over the same roads with the E92M (albeit with EDC in Comfort) was 3 x times better in the ride quality . It was built well and is the same as the X5 really inside,apart from losing a seat and not being able to see much out of the back window !! Plenty of slots still available for Spt/Oct Del .But as we drove back onto the stealers lot i just couldnt help noticing how many nearly new X5's were sat there for a lot lot less ????

Edited by squeezebm on Friday 1st August 16:55

Interesting. We have some nasty roads round our way and I'd say the X6 I've been trying - with the 20" wheels etc - was on a par with my E92 M3 comfort wise. Perhaps you and I have different bum sensitivity! Interior, although on first glance similar to our X5, actually has lots of subtle differences and a little more 'cocooning' IMO. For me the chassis is so much better than the X5 I wouldn't stay with the X5 even if it was cheaper - which it isn't because the same spec X6 come out a tad £s less in fact.

[Mr Whippy]

Pugsey said:

Mr Whippy said:

Pugsey said:

Mr Whippy said:

Yes it's meant to drive well, but surely the new X5 will too?


Anyone on here driven a current X5 vs an X6? I'm interested what the pro's and con's of each were.

Dave

Yes mate, I currently have the new X5dMsport which is why I'd been borrowing the X6 to compare the two. Given that, as we all know, the X5 is really very very good on road for a large SUV I have been shocked at just how much better the X6 is. It's not just superb for a big 4x4 it's genuinely good even by big 'sports' saloon car standards. Alright all right maybe not an M5 but hopefully you get my point. You would NOT live with one in your average hot hatch. No way is it just a rebodied X5. I'm on my third X5 and love them for what I use them for but I'm changing to an X6. There's no contest - unless seven (or even five) seats are important to you.

Edited by Pugsey on Friday 1st August 15:52

I wonder what makes the difference. Considering very similar key dimensions and masses, it makes you wonder why the X5 can't match the X6...

Not saying you are wrong, I just wonder what makes a car so similar on the face of it, so different. It's big, check, tall, check, draggy, check, awd, check, etc etc

Hmmmm

Dave

Lots of differences between the two chassis. X6 has much more
sophisticated version of 'Dynamic Performance Control' (basically splits drive between individual wheels rather than just front and back) and you can also spec Active Drive (does all sorts of things like stiffening the anti-roll bars as cornering forces build). Lots more too I'm told but oily bits bore me!

Take it from me I actually still (slightly) prefer the X5 looks wise but I'm changing purely for the better chassis. I noticed a big difference.

Edited by Pugsey on Friday 1st August 17:19

But you could in theory slap all those on an X5 anyway I would imagine.

I think the 'new' X5, whenever it is released, will match the X6 in the dynamic stakes when in a 'road' spec (ie, road tyres and sportier suspension)

Just on the face of it, in pure terms of ride height, weight, track, wheelbase etc, there isn't much difference, so I wonder why the X5 couldn't be made as good as the X6, along with the X5's improved attributes wrt to off-road, towing, capacity etc.



Dave

[Pugsey]

Mr Whippy said:

Pugsey said:

Mr Whippy said:

Pugsey said:

Mr Whippy said:

Yes it's meant to drive well, but surely the new X5 will too?


Anyone on here driven a current X5 vs an X6? I'm interested what the pro's and con's of each were.

Dave

Yes mate, I currently have the new X5dMsport which is why I'd been borrowing the X6 to compare the two. Given that, as we all know, the X5 is really very very good on road for a large SUV I have been shocked at just how much better the X6 is. It's not just superb for a big 4x4 it's genuinely good even by big 'sports' saloon car standards. Alright all right maybe not an M5 but hopefully you get my point. You would NOT live with one in your average hot hatch. No way is it just a rebodied X5. I'm on my third X5 and love them for what I use them for but I'm changing to an X6. There's no contest - unless seven (or even five) seats are important to you.

Edited by Pugsey on Friday 1st August 15:52

I wonder what makes the difference. Considering very similar key dimensions and masses, it makes you wonder why the X5 can't match the X6...

Not saying you are wrong, I just wonder what makes a car so similar on the face of it, so different. It's big, check, tall, check, draggy, check, awd, check, etc etc

Hmmmm

Dave

Lots of differences between the two chassis. X6 has much more
sophisticated version of 'Dynamic Performance Control' (basically splits drive between individual wheels rather than just front and back) and you can also spec Active Drive (does all sorts of things like stiffening the anti-roll bars as cornering forces build). Lots more too I'm told but oily bits bore me!

Take it from me I actually still (slightly) prefer the X5 looks wise but I'm changing purely for the better chassis. I noticed a big difference.

Edited by Pugsey on Friday 1st August 17:19

But you could in theory slap all those on an X5 anyway I would imagine.

I think the 'new' X5, whenever it is released, will match the X6 in the dynamic stakes when in a 'road' spec (ie, road tyres and sportier suspension)

Just on the face of it, in pure terms of ride height, weight, track, wheelbase etc, there isn't much difference, so I wonder why the X5 couldn't be made as good as the X6, along with the X5's improved attributes wrt to off-road, towing, capacity etc.



Dave

The new X5 - revised body, suspension, interior etc etc - IS out. The MSportd version came out in May and that's what I've currently got.

I agree that there seems no reason why all the X6 suspension changes couldn't have gone on to the X5. If they had then that's the car I'd be going for. Hey ho.

Edited by Pugsey on Friday 1st August 17:43

[Vedrfolner]

Pugsey said:

Vedrfolner said:

If you like a car, your opinion is valuable since you are a possible buyer. If you don't like said car, your opinion is worthless since you are not a possible buyer. C

Rubbish! Marketing dept to sales dept "thanks for sending us info on all the people who like the car - always good to hear and of course we'll try to continue to keep them happy but what we REALLY want to know is what the people who DID'T like it and went to our competitors instead said so that we can see if there's anything we can do to change their minds and increase our customer base"

And what they can do is very little, as long as they want their cars to stay a BMW (for instance). It is not an accident that the X6, although being wide, long, tall and heavy, is still recognizably a BMW (if I am to believe the reports). I am sure the car would appeal to a lot more people if they made it less BMW and more something else, given the fact that not everyone wants a BMW. So if the X6 looked more like a Porsche, handled more like an Audi and felt more like a Mercedes, I am quite sure that they would sell more X6's to the respective owners of said cars - but BMW won't do that.

This is why BMW currently builds cars like the un-BMW-ish 1-series and the X5 and X6 in the first place. Widening the range is the only way they can maintain their customer base at the same time as gaining access to new markets. Don't be surprised if in the following years you will see M-tech buses and lorries, kit-cars, vans and V12LMR caravan homes.

[Pugsey]

Vedrfolner said:

Pugsey said:

Vedrfolner said:

If you like a car, your opinion is valuable since you are a possible buyer. If you don't like said car, your opinion is worthless since you are not a possible buyer. C

Rubbish! Marketing dept to sales dept "thanks for sending us info on all the people who like the car - always good to hear and of course we'll try to continue to keep them happy but what we REALLY want to know is what the people who DID'T like it and went to our competitors instead said so that we can see if there's anything we can do to change their minds and increase our customer base"

And what they can do is very little, as long as they want their cars to stay a BMW (for instance). It is not an accident that the X6, although being wide, long, tall and heavy, is still recognizably a BMW (if I am to believe the reports). I am sure the car would appeal to a lot more people if they made it less BMW and more something else, given the fact that not everyone wants a BMW. So if the X6 looked more like a Porsche, handled more like an Audi and felt more like a Mercedes, I am quite sure that they would sell more X6's to the respective owners of said cars - but BMW won't do that.

This is why BMW currently builds cars like the un-BMW-ish 1-series and the X5 and X6 in the first place. Widening the range is the only way they can maintain their customer base at the same time as gaining access to new markets. Don't be surprised if in the following years you will see M-tech buses and lorries, kit-cars, vans and V12LMR caravan homes.

If you've read comments from myself and others on here the feeling is that the 1 series is VERY BMW - in fact it gets nearer to the ethos of the original M3 than the current M3 does. The 135iMsport has a superb chassis and a light deftness that the now much bigger and heavier M3 has lost. Maybe I should say it's VERY what BMW M cars should be. A 1 series CSL Coupe would be a delight IMO.

And I still think your original statement was rubbish btw!.

Have a good weekend. I'm off flying.

Pugs.

[hammertime]

looks horrible and just what is the point of it? surely an estate is just better? ugly and i bet if you push it it eats the tyres.

[hammertime]

Donut said:

mateyboy said:

sorry tosspot does engineering over rule physics? bebo is for your mother.

suv`s can never handle like a well sorted car. end of. if you have actual evidence to persuade me that one can handle like a good car please reveal all. put it this way if i had a small car with half the power it would piss all over the x6 on anything but a straight road. like i said it you tried to handle in the x6 you will rip through tyres in an instant and petrol will be a thing of the past.

please rather than just dismiss my argument as a load or rubbish with no reasoning , pick it apart piece by piece? you think it will outhandle and beat a small 150-200bhp car on anything other than a straight road then tell me why and how? you think it wont shred its tyres in an instant tyring to do so then tell me why? what can it do that say an s4 avant could not? or a 3 series estate? or any other decent estate?

Edited by mateyboy on Thursday 31st July 09:45

We dismiss your argument because it is utter ste.......

Do all curry's taste the same?

And I would say having driven both that the X6 would keep up with an S4 on the twisty bits, has more pressence, is a much better place to sit and is much more fun.....

i have to agree with mateyboy.i dont believe that anyone was talking about curry`s.
this monster could never handle as well as almost and "normal car" as it is just too big, heavy and tall.
you must be out of your tiny mind to believe that a 4x4 would be more fun or somehow outhandle and s4, it would be blitzed in all ways. (except possibly a straight line which would be close i expect due to the x6 having much more power but being less aerodynamic).

[Bogracer]

I love M cars I have owned many. I even have a 30,000 miler 1 owner 1973 2002 Turbo tucked away.

Think about the Russian and Arab markets, most of these cars will be brought buy them. This is a 'revenue car' and there is a big market – so why the hell not. It puts cash in the bank to develop the real M cars that we want to buy. The Cayenne was scoffed at, this car and the Boxter saved Porsche and put them right into the black.

We need to stop envy getting the better of us and accept that if you have the money and you want a car like this then buy it.

[Mr Whippy]

Bogracer said:

We need to stop envy getting the better of us and accept that if you have the money and you want a car like this then buy it.

But we also need to remember that doesn't make a car good either

Dave

[Donut]

hammertime said:

Donut said:

mateyboy said:

sorry tosspot does engineering over rule physics? bebo is for your mother.

suv`s can never handle like a well sorted car. end of. if you have actual evidence to persuade me that one can handle like a good car please reveal all. put it this way if i had a small car with half the power it would piss all over the x6 on anything but a straight road. like i said it you tried to handle in the x6 you will rip through tyres in an instant and petrol will be a thing of the past.

please rather than just dismiss my argument as a load or rubbish with no reasoning , pick it apart piece by piece? you think it will outhandle and beat a small 150-200bhp car on anything other than a straight road then tell me why and how? you think it wont shred its tyres in an instant tyring to do so then tell me why? what can it do that say an s4 avant could not? or a 3 series estate? or any other decent estate?

Edited by mateyboy on Thursday 31st July 09:45

We dismiss your argument because it is utter ste.......

Do all curry's taste the same?

And I would say having driven both that the X6 would keep up with an S4 on the twisty bits, has more pressence, is a much better place to sit and is much more fun.....

i have to agree with mateyboy.i dont believe that anyone was talking about curry`s.
this monster could never handle as well as almost and "normal car" as it is just too big, heavy and tall.
you must be out of your tiny mind to believe that a 4x4 would be more fun or somehow outhandle and s4, it would be blitzed in all ways. (except possibly a straight line which would be close i expect due to the x6 having much more power but being less aerodynamic).

Have you driven both?

I have, which means I'm able to make the statement.

Oh and curry remark was to make a point, Doofus!

[hammertime]

Donut said:

Have you driven both?

I have, which means I'm able to make the statement.

Oh and curry remark was to make a point, Doofus!

i have driven an s4 and lots of 4x4`s (nissan,bmw,mercedes,range rover etc) but no to be honest not an x6. had fun in the s4 which is why im sure a 4x4 can not handle anywhere near as well, it is just too tall and i can honestly say that i feel you can not have driving "fun" in a car with such high centre of gravity (except possibly in a straight line if you think that can be classified as fun), the physics do not allow it to handle with any sort of finesse. put it this way i expect 90% of people would expect to be taken apart if they were in a 4x4 and were opposed by an s4 in any situation but possibly a straight line, and even then only thanks to a power advantage although it would i expect be close due to the aerodynamics. this is why 4x4`s do not ever end up on a track because they are too heavy and clumsy.

physics donut.