1 series M coupe spotted

[Pugsey]

tjlazer said:

Someone please get an orange one, as there are only 450 for the UK it would be good to have a few that look a bit different!

I'm now wavering. Friend has just photoshopped pic of orange one and changed wheels to dark graphite. It looks good. What to do what to do! If orange ones are rare they may become more sought after in future - or of course become the ones nobody wants! Then again within reason I spec what I want not what the next owner wants.

[Guvernator]

Pugsey said:

Cheers! Gone for white. Black hides all the vents and bulges which are part of the cars 'presence' I think and although I suspect the orange colour WILL look good I just couldn't pluck up courage without seeing it. White is a good 'motorsport' colour and will look cool dirty too.

Will see what they look like when it arrives but may get the wheels changed to a grey/graphite colour.

Excellent, nice to see someone putting money where their mouth is. Please post pics and driving impressions when you get it. Can't really go wrong with white these days but I'd probably have gone for black for the exact opposite of the reason you state. The arches are good but some of those vents aren't really very cohesive and could do with a bit of hiding IMO.

[Soovy]

Pugsey said:

I'm now wavering. Friend has just photoshopped pic of orange one and changed wheels to dark graphite. It looks good. What to do what to do! If orange ones are rare they may become more sought after in future - or of course become the ones nobody wants! Then again within reason I spec what I want not what the next owner wants.

Go jaffa, mate.

It'll appeal massively to enthusiasts - rather like a GT3RS!

[aeropilot]

Pugsey said:

I'm now wavering. Friend has just photoshopped pic of orange one and changed wheels to dark graphite. It looks good. What to do what to do! If orange ones are rare they may become more sought after in future - or of course become the ones nobody wants! Then again within reason I spec what I want not what the next owner wants.

I agree spec what you want rather than opting for the 'safe resale colour' option

I actually like the VO anyway (used to have a Vista Orange RS2000 many, many, many years ago )
Also VO is the only one of the 3 colours that is unique to the 1M and could be considered a 'real' M colour, which is why I suspect, it maybe more sort after later on.
The Sapphire Black and Alpine White both being just standard 1 series colours.

[Pugsey]

Soovy said:

Go jaffa, mate.

It'll appeal massively to enthusiasts - rather like a GT3RS!

Good point - and how I'm now thinking. However RS colour is spot on and the BMW colour - at least in pics - seems to have some of that horrid 60s 'Gold' hue to it. Dealer is trying to find where I can look at one in the metal.

[Agoogy]

FWIW, I'd go Orange too...also sounds a good combo with darker silver wheels... either way with 19"s in the arches Orange'll look good.

[aeropilot]

Pugsey said:

Dealer is trying to find where I can look at one in the metal.

Err..... Bracknell I would I have thought.
BMW-GB have a UK registered Orange car at HQ Bracknell as well as the white one seen in the recent pics and vid.

[Agoogy]

might walk round there at lunch then.....2nd thoughts its miserable...I'll drive past at home time..

[spareparts]

Pugsey said:

spareparts said:

45k for a 1 series?!

Thanks for the insult pal. You've driven one I assume. With a mild (and cheap) tweak to near 400bhp I'll have a small, agile (for it's type) car that I suspect will be quicker than the current M3. It'll take me, g/f & luggage to the 'Ring and back in comfort, be great for doing the many miles learning the circuit - it'll even have loads of room for an instructor - that I intend to use it for and not be TOO disastrous should the worst happen. I suspect it'll be fun harying some bigger stuff at UK track days too.

Each to his own eh?

Sorry you took it that way. Certainly wasn't aimed at you, as you have no control over the pricing that BMW dictate. No need to defend your purchase - it's your money, you can do with it what you like.

As good as the 1 Series M promises to be, 45k is far over the odds of what a 1 series should be charged at - especially when the car itself is not that bespoke over a tuned up 135i.

45k buys a lot of car nowadays, especially in the used market (think GT3 or Turbo). Brand new, cars like a fully specced Golf R show how silly it is to spec a GOLF to over 40k, and the forthcoming RS3 will reiterate the point of a 40-50k hatchback. All in all, I can't help feel that manufacturers are milking Joe Public for all they can with new cars, promising throwbacks to heritage (cue E30 M3), but at silly prices.

The 1 series M makes the [probably] quicker and steadily appreciating CSL look like an absolute bargain at 25k, especially considering the true Motorsport efforts that went into the CSL's engineering.

All IMHO, and indeed, each to their own.

Soovy said:

One suspects he can't afford one, Pugs, thus the bile.

LOL, cue the usual PH BS and attempted personal insults.

[Pugsey]

spareparts said:

Pugsey said:

spareparts said:

45k for a 1 series?!

Thanks for the insult pal. You've driven one I assume. With a mild (and cheap) tweak to near 400bhp I'll have a small, agile (for it's type) car that I suspect will be quicker than the current M3. It'll take me, g/f & luggage to the 'Ring and back in comfort, be great for doing the many miles learning the circuit - it'll even have loads of room for an instructor - that I intend to use it for and not be TOO disastrous should the worst happen. I suspect it'll be fun harying some bigger stuff at UK track days too.

Each to his own eh?

Sorry you took it that way. Certainly wasn't aimed at you, as you have no control over the pricing that BMW dictate. No need to defend your purchase - it's your money, you can do with it what you like.

As good as the 1 Series M promises to be, 45k is far over the odds of what a 1 series should be charged at - especially when the car itself is not that bespoke over a tuned up 135i.

45k buys a lot of car nowadays, especially in the used market (think GT3 or Turbo). Brand new, cars like a fully specced Golf R show how silly it is to spec a GOLF to over 40k, and the forthcoming RS3 will reiterate the point of a 40-50k hatchback. All in all, I can't help feel that manufacturers are milking Joe Public for all they can with new cars, promising throwbacks to heritage (cue E30 M3), but at silly prices.

The 1 series M makes the [probably] quicker and steadily appreciating CSL look like an absolute bargain at 25k, especially considering the true Motorsport efforts that went into the CSL's engineering.

All IMHO, and indeed, each to their own.

Soovy said:

One suspects he can't afford one, Pugs, thus the bile.

LOL, cue the usual PH BS and attempted personal insults.

All cool. Prob over sensitive early in morning!

However this "you can get a secondhand xyz for that money" ALWAYS comes up and REALLY bores me lol. I'm buying new (just accept that) so compare new with new please. CSL? Don't make me laugh. That car was nearly £60k new wasn't it. Certainly I remember it was £10k more than the standard M3 at the time. So, on that basis, this cracking little 1 series is a serious bargain! Much less money than the CSL was umpteen years ago.

[CRACKIE]

Pugsey said:

With a mild (and cheap) tweak to near 400bhp I'll have a small, agile (for it's type) car that I suspect will be quicker than the current M3.

Nice one Pugsey ~ looking forward to seeing that

420bhp / 440lb-ft is simple and £3000 away ; you'll be quicker than E60 M5s let alone E9* M3s

My 2p = go Orange

[foz01]

Thus invalidating your warranty instantly, presumably it will be E46 M3 quick, which being honest is quick enough for our potholed roads ( and I have owned a v10 M5)

[tjlazer]

It has to be orange mate, the other 2 look like any other 1 series. Show it off!

[Pugsey]

foz01 said:

Thus invalidating your warranty instantly, presumably it will be E46 M3 quick, which being honest is quick enough for our potholed roads ( and I have owned a v10 M5)

Not so sure about the entire warranty actually but not bothered tbo. No amount of power is ever enough!! It's not so much the additional speed it will give - more the added 'playfulness' it should bring to a rwd chassis.

[aeropilot]

foz01 said:

presumably it will be E46 M3 quick, which being honest is quick enough for our potholed roads ( and I have owned a v10 M5)

E46 M3...... and some, as the new 1M is but a mere fraction off the pace of a E92 M3 around the 'Ring

And I reckon the 340hp figure is an underestimate anyway.

The N54 engines in the early 135i were a good 15hp+ above what BMW 'claimed' for them, so the 1M engine could easily be 350+.

Be interesting to see what the figures are when the first owners get them on a RR.

Edited by aeropilot on Friday 11th February 13:50

[jbtco]

Going by the info on Skidmarks fairly recently (pre VAT increase).

OTR UK price of 1M £39,990
Nav (std on M3) £2,010
Elec seats (std on M3) £910
Total £42,910

As only 450 for UK unlikely to be any discounts

M3 (manual coupe)
UK OTR £53275
+ comp pack (for wheels) £3,315
less DCT (in comp pack not avaialable for 1M) £1,295

Discounts avaialable in UK for M3 around £5k

Total £50,295

Diff £7,385

1M seems expensive to me in comparison

Edited by jbtco on Friday 11th February 13:55

[Pugsey]

aeropilot said:

E46 M3...... and some, as the new 1M is but a mere fraction off the pace of a E92 M3 around the 'Ring

Absolutely. Already quicker - as standard - than E46 M3. My dealer tells me "it comes with strong brakes as standard". Don't think he could understand why I fell about laughing.

Off for w/e now. Thanks for thoughts - and pics - re colours everyone. Almost decided to change to orange now.

[aeropilot]

jbtco said:

Diff £7,385

1M seems expensive to me in comparison

But, in comparison, is also going to be a lot cheaper to run than the V8 M3.... and being smaller as well as nearly 150kg lighter than a M3, probably 'more fun'.

Horses for courses......

[Pugsey]

jbtco said:

Going by the info on Skidmarks recently (pre VAT increase).

OTR UK price of 1M £39,990
Nav (std on M3) £2,010
Elec seats (std on M3) £910
Total £42,910

As only 450 for UK unlikely to be any discounts

M3 (manual coupe)
UK OTR £53275
+ comp pack (for wheels) £3,315
less DCT (in comp pack not avaialable for 1M) £1,295

Discounts avaialable in UK for M3 around £5k

Total £50,295

Diff £7,385

1M seems expensive to me in comparison

Not really. With the mild tweaks I've mentioned I fully expect the car to be quicker than M3. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY smaller, lighter and therefore more FUN. I care not whether the M3 is perceived as the 'Daddy' and that I'll be seen as 'only' driving a 1 series. I'll be the one grinning from ear to ear. Besides, I've been there done that as far as M3 goes.

Cheers all. I'm off.

[Soovy]

Pugsey said:

Not really. With the mild tweaks I've mentioned I fully expect the car to be quicker than M3. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY smaller, lighter and therefore more FUN. I care not whether the M3 is perceived as the 'Daddy' and that I'll be seen as 'only' driving a 1 series. I'll be the one grinning from ear to ear. Besides, I've been there done that as far as M3 goes.

Cheers all. I'm off.

Get the orange one bought,