TMS "Power pack"
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DAN3M said:
Yeah thats at the flywheel, Spoke to John Thorney and he reckons that i will get around 25bhp on one of his custom re-maps, and another 15bhp with some 100 cell cats...trouble is that is what the first re-map said!!!
Who do you beleive for all this money?????
Somebody posted above that he was getting 364bhp from Thorney!Who do you beleive for all this money?????
You know you want to supercharge it don't you...?
If it's anything like the VX220 'custom maps', then they are a load of BS.
The VX220 maps are basically Superchips maps with AF ratio's changed.
VXR36 has spent the best part of 20k and 12 months with TMS and still wasn't getting what he was promised. Oh and then got threatened with a legal writ (along with at least 5 other people on the site) because they decided to air their unhappiness with his service/promises.
He does talk a very good game though!
The VX220 maps are basically Superchips maps with AF ratio's changed.
VXR36 has spent the best part of 20k and 12 months with TMS and still wasn't getting what he was promised. Oh and then got threatened with a legal writ (along with at least 5 other people on the site) because they decided to air their unhappiness with his service/promises.
He does talk a very good game though!
"Without having to search through a whole lot of stuff on a different site, whats the basic issue some have with Thorney's?"
There really is too much to list.
From my own experience (only part of it):
My car was running very rough. Took it in to TMS (as it was still under warranty and they are an approved Vauxhall repairer). They stripped the head and sent it to be crack tested (which took 6 weeks), only to be told that they had found large lumps of metal in one of the cylinders. They cleaned it all out and it seemed to be running fine, although he said he didn't know where the metal had come from. I picked the car up and 2 weeks later, was going through a litre of oil a week. Took it to Plans Motorsport and within one day, diagnosed the problem as a great big hole in one of the Pistons above the top ring.
Spoke to Vauxhall customer services about my disappointment with the service from TMS and low and behold got a call from TMS saying they'd like the car back to look at as they could replace the engine under warranty. They had the car for a further 2 months, before being told "sorry Sir, your car is now out of warranty!" No matter how much i argued the fact this had been diagnosed whilst the car was in warranty, they were having none of it. So that'll be a 3.5k repair bill for me then!
To top it all off, John had told me at the time that the fuel line was weeping and that he would replace it whilst replacing the engine. The fuel line had been cut and spliced together being held by jubilee clips. Do you think he changed it? Did he fu*k. He put the old bodged fuel line back in along with a brand new engine! Ontop of the many scratches, oily finger prints, screws and bits of wire strewn around the cabin.
The car is going to Plans Motorsports tomorrow to have a new fuel line replaced.
This is only a small part of the terrific service i received over a 6 month period. Surfice to say i haven't been back since and i never would again!
After speaking to many other tuning and motorsport specialists, it has become apparent that the bloke really doesn't have the first idea.
The above is all in my own opinion (i don't fancy a court summons turning up on my door step!).
As said, if you are going to be spending a fair amount of money for xyz bhp, i really would have a search through the vx site first!
There really is too much to list.
From my own experience (only part of it):
My car was running very rough. Took it in to TMS (as it was still under warranty and they are an approved Vauxhall repairer). They stripped the head and sent it to be crack tested (which took 6 weeks), only to be told that they had found large lumps of metal in one of the cylinders. They cleaned it all out and it seemed to be running fine, although he said he didn't know where the metal had come from. I picked the car up and 2 weeks later, was going through a litre of oil a week. Took it to Plans Motorsport and within one day, diagnosed the problem as a great big hole in one of the Pistons above the top ring.
Spoke to Vauxhall customer services about my disappointment with the service from TMS and low and behold got a call from TMS saying they'd like the car back to look at as they could replace the engine under warranty. They had the car for a further 2 months, before being told "sorry Sir, your car is now out of warranty!" No matter how much i argued the fact this had been diagnosed whilst the car was in warranty, they were having none of it. So that'll be a 3.5k repair bill for me then!
To top it all off, John had told me at the time that the fuel line was weeping and that he would replace it whilst replacing the engine. The fuel line had been cut and spliced together being held by jubilee clips. Do you think he changed it? Did he fu*k. He put the old bodged fuel line back in along with a brand new engine! Ontop of the many scratches, oily finger prints, screws and bits of wire strewn around the cabin.
The car is going to Plans Motorsports tomorrow to have a new fuel line replaced.
This is only a small part of the terrific service i received over a 6 month period. Surfice to say i haven't been back since and i never would again!
After speaking to many other tuning and motorsport specialists, it has become apparent that the bloke really doesn't have the first idea.
The above is all in my own opinion (i don't fancy a court summons turning up on my door step!).
As said, if you are going to be spending a fair amount of money for xyz bhp, i really would have a search through the vx site first!
vx 220 said:
Spoke to Vauxhall customer services about my disappointment with the service from TMS and low and behold got a call from TMS saying they'd like the car back to look at as they could replace the engine under warranty. They had the car for a further 2 months, before being told "sorry Sir, your car is now out of warranty!" No matter how much i argued the fact this had been diagnosed whilst the car was in warranty, they were having none of it. So that'll be a 3.5k repair bill for me then!
Surely this can't be right, the car was accepted back to fix the fault under warranty. This is not so much a bad reflection on TMS but Vauxhall themselves. Did you get a solicitor onto this?You're quite right, although it was a Network Q warranty and to be fair to TMS, he did say that he had tried and tried, but still the answer was no (although i don't have the faith in him that he did actually try!?). In fact, whilst at TMS he gave me the phone and told me to call the Network Q warranty people. When i eventually got through, i sat opposite him at his desk with the phone in my hand for ten minutes (with warranty guy on the other end of the phone - having to apologise to him every 2 mins) whilst he had a conversation with a supplier about exhausts. Surfice to say the warranty guy eventually hung up!
I was more pi55ed off with the fact that a supposed 'motorsport' specialist (Vauxhall and BMW trained) couldn't spot a whacking great hole in the piston!.
With the non communication and constant BS (he told me my head had been stripped and sent off to be crack tested on a Friday. I called the following Wednesday and was told by one of his technicians that the head hadn't even been removed from the car!) i was prepared to pay the money just to get my car back (it had been about 3 months of messing about to this point) and not have to deal with him ever again!
I was more pi55ed off with the fact that a supposed 'motorsport' specialist (Vauxhall and BMW trained) couldn't spot a whacking great hole in the piston!.
With the non communication and constant BS (he told me my head had been stripped and sent off to be crack tested on a Friday. I called the following Wednesday and was told by one of his technicians that the head hadn't even been removed from the car!) i was prepared to pay the money just to get my car back (it had been about 3 months of messing about to this point) and not have to deal with him ever again!
That's just really bad.
It's a shame these people don't realise the age of internet is upon us (you'd think TMS would as they have a site!) and the days of a bad job only spreading amongst the friends and family of the disgruntled customer are long gone. Do a bad job now, sprinkled with some b$lls
te fob off stories, and your name is spread like muck across all the sites.
It's a shame as I thought TMS seemed good, especially as places like EVO use them a lot, perhaps just grown too big too fast, who knows...
Anyhow I had a good talk to a customer of Simpson Motorsport down Gloucester way and he raved about him...
It's a shame these people don't realise the age of internet is upon us (you'd think TMS would as they have a site!) and the days of a bad job only spreading amongst the friends and family of the disgruntled customer are long gone. Do a bad job now, sprinkled with some b$lls
te fob off stories, and your name is spread like muck across all the sites.It's a shame as I thought TMS seemed good, especially as places like EVO use them a lot, perhaps just grown too big too fast, who knows...
Anyhow I had a good talk to a customer of Simpson Motorsport down Gloucester way and he raved about him...
400Nm said:
Thorney need to sort out their act in both the Vauxhall and BMW markets. Looked through their website and their power claims and rolling road graphs are complete marketing tat. I'm only a simple engineer but even I can see the various descrepencies in all except one graph.
It does'nt help that they have knocked all the run details off the bottom of the graphs, since those are the giveaways that something has been fudged it makes me immediately suspicious. Does'nt mean they have of coarse, they could be kosha graphs.I have nothing against TMS, but things like that really don't help.
My M3 remains unmapped, because i've always believed remapping any of the M engines is like pissing in the wind. Pointless.
Run details off the bottom of the graph? Please explain if you would be kind enough.
I was referring more to the actual revs the M3 should do and on the graphs it's just totally wrong. This would have some effect on either the BHP or torque graph depending on what the chassis dyno is measuring.
Recalibrating the ECU is generally a waste of time on highly tuned engines unless of course it undergoes internal changes. Also depends on how much headroom the manufacturer has left.
How much power does your M3 make out of interest? I might be interested in getting mine on a rolling road at some point. I know where I won't be taking it. Any suggestions as to where a good place is?
I was referring more to the actual revs the M3 should do and on the graphs it's just totally wrong. This would have some effect on either the BHP or torque graph depending on what the chassis dyno is measuring.
Recalibrating the ECU is generally a waste of time on highly tuned engines unless of course it undergoes internal changes. Also depends on how much headroom the manufacturer has left.
How much power does your M3 make out of interest? I might be interested in getting mine on a rolling road at some point. I know where I won't be taking it. Any suggestions as to where a good place is?
400Nm said:
Run details off the bottom of the graph? Please explain if you would be kind enough.
I was referring more to the actual revs the M3 should do and on the graphs it's just totally wrong. This would have some effect on either the BHP or torque graph depending on what the chassis dyno is measuring.
Recalibrating the ECU is generally a waste of time on highly tuned engines unless of course it undergoes internal changes. Also depends on how much headroom the manufacturer has left.
How much power does your M3 make out of interest? I might be interested in getting mine on a rolling road at some point. I know where I won't be taking it. Any suggestions as to where a good place is?
There should be temp details and mode details at bottom of graph.I was referring more to the actual revs the M3 should do and on the graphs it's just totally wrong. This would have some effect on either the BHP or torque graph depending on what the chassis dyno is measuring.
Recalibrating the ECU is generally a waste of time on highly tuned engines unless of course it undergoes internal changes. Also depends on how much headroom the manufacturer has left.
How much power does your M3 make out of interest? I might be interested in getting mine on a rolling road at some point. I know where I won't be taking it. Any suggestions as to where a good place is?
I only have my rather decrepid E34 M5 Graph to hand but this should give you an idea. (with hole in inlet pipe and K&N filter lower line, and then higher line is new inlet pipe and standard airbox and filter)
My M3 did 330 at 70K, and 337 with the back box (amazing considering i was not expecting anything). Lowest CSL i've done has been 350, though most are 355-360bhp.
Where abouts in the country are you, i'll recommend somewhere.
jollygreen said:
DAN3M said:
Yeah thats at the flywheel, Spoke to John Thorney and he reckons that i will get around 25bhp on one of his custom re-maps, and another 15bhp with some 100 cell cats...trouble is that is what the first re-map said!!!
Who do you beleive for all this money?????
Somebody posted above that he was getting 364bhp from Thorney!Who do you beleive for all this money?????
You know you want to supercharge it don't you...?
houlbt said:
Right that's it... am going to have to build a better engine for my CSL over the winter (well not me personally doing the spannering) and see what power I can get it to make at the wheels.
What's the plan? Exhaust, cams and remap? Anything else? Edited by jollygreen on Thursday 28th August 13:27
Initially I'll stick some cams in the CSL and get it remapped... then we'll see if it makes anything like the claimed power at the wheels numbers I hear bounded about.
I have a spare engine that I plan to go a bit further with at a later date.
I have a spare engine that I plan to go a bit further with at a later date.
Edited by houlbt on Thursday 28th August 15:02
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