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J-Tuner
2,508 posts
112 months
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This sounds a bit of a lashup if i am honest - all its going to do is pull in hot air direct from the manifold, which will make it s  t off the line. I won't dispute that it will make it noisy though  A k&n panel filter in the sealed airbox (no holes) and a custom air feed (ditch the snorkel) to the front of the car to catch the cold air would be much better and will sound good as well. Throttle response will be razor sharp and it will free up the rev range slightly. I know as that's what i am running and its relatively cheap but very effective. Will also clear the way for a strut brace if you are that way inclined, as usually its the snorkel that fouls the braces.
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carspath
Original Poster
223 posts
46 months
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right, i've now been for a decent drive----working my way through the rev range in almost all the gears
those 42 holes have not made any difference at all !!!
the car is performing exactly as previously-----no drop/change in performance at all , and more disappointinly no difference in the tone or volume of the noise the car makes
each of the 42 holes 3 or 4 mm , and i only drilled the bottom and the side (only on the side away from the manifold) of the lower part of the airbox, well below the level of the airfilter
i am still running the standard OEM mazda airfilter
do you think changing this filter for an aftermarket filter will make any difference----and if so, which one would you suggest?
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Richyvrlimited
1,118 posts
32 months
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Ha ha ha 3-4mm? They need to be a good 5cm holes...
And no even with proper sized holes there'll be zero performance gain. You gain extremely little even with the best designed intake kits available, so drilling a few hole makes zero difference.
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Odie
3,675 posts
51 months
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what about just choppping a massive hole with a jigsaw?
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TameRacingDriver
8,265 posts
141 months
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carspath said: right, i've now been for a decent drive----working my way through the rev range in almost all the gears
those 42 holes have not made any difference at all !!!
the car is performing exactly as previously-----no drop/change in performance at all , and more disappointinly no difference in the tone or volume of the noise the car makes
each of the 42 holes 3 or 4 mm , and i only drilled the bottom and the side (only on the side away from the manifold) of the lower part of the airbox, well below the level of the airfilter
i am still running the standard OEM mazda airfilter
do you think changing this filter for an aftermarket filter will make any difference----and if so, which one would you suggest? Had I seen this thread earlier, I could have told you that. Tried it myself. Made bugger all difference. Waste of time. And chances are, as someone else said, you'll now be sucking in hot air, so you'll have lost a couple of horses... not that you'll probably notice. ETA: My holes were quite big too and I had lots of them.
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OlberJ
11,980 posts
102 months
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Did this the first day i got the Mx5, i really should know better but i had the extension cord out so it was rude not to. The next day i found an old Apexi and fitted that instead. Difference is night and day in sound. Performance? It's too little to notice much difference anyway so if it sounds better, that's what you want. Have images of a gauze airbox on the side for the OP though 
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J-Tuner
2,508 posts
112 months
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Lol do yourself a favour and either leave it as standard or do it properly.
A k&n Panel filter will change the note slightly - but not to the extent you might expect. But the point still remains - you are drawing hot air from the manifold into the engine. Its probably performing worse now than it did at the beginning.
uprated panel filter and unmolested standard pipework - yes (This does make a small difference) aftermarket air filter and heat shield - yes (Will make a lot more noise,with a cold air feed even better) drilling airbox with tiny holes and generally wasting your time and ruining your parts - no (I can't see an upside to doing this at all)
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Tyrewrecker
6,419 posts
23 months
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J-Tuner said: Lol do yourself a favour and either leave it as standard or do it properly.
A k&n Panel filter will change the note slightly - but not to the extent you might expect. But the point still remains - you are drawing hot air from the manifold into the engine. Its probably performing worse now than it did at the beginning.
uprated panel filter and unmolested standard pipework - yes (This does make a small difference) aftermarket air filter and heat shield - yes (Will make a lot more noise,with a cold air feed even better) drilling airbox with tiny holes and generally wasting your time and ruining your parts - no (I can't see an upside to doing this at all) I noticed no difference with K+N panel.
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carspath
Original Poster
223 posts
46 months
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thank-you all for your replies
it is interesting that there is a significant difference in the opinions provided before and after my little experiment
in addition to pistonhead's mazda forum , i also carefully read through the mx5 nutz thread, and the suggestion there was that drilling the airbox was of value, although not as good as getting an aftermarket induction kit
the nutz thread photos appeared have drilled holes of about 4 mm diameter,and suggested lots of holes meant lots more air and lots more induction roar
others here have suggested that i have either drilled too many holes or that the holes i have drilled are too small
what is actually responsible for causing the increased (for those who have achieved this holy grail through drilling the airbox) induction roar?------the increased total airflow?, the sucking effect of air passing through the small/large holes?
at least one person here has had good results with only 5 holes, and another person has suggested larger holes (will 1 mm diam change really make a difference?)
also, it seems that the standard snorkle , is not really that far away from the drilled airbox, and i wonder if there is really that much effect from extra warm air getting through to the combustion chambers bearing in mind that :
1/ with the bonnet closed the airtemp at the snorkel intake will not be much different to that at the lower half of the airbox 2/the snorkel intake is still open , so lots of relatively cold air is still getting into the airbox 3/ the holes are too small to give an appreciable increase in induction roar, so presumably the volume of "new" hot air getting into the airbox is small so should not appreciably affect the engine's output
at this stage , i am really more interested in people's thoughts as to the mechanics involved, and think that other newbies might benefit from further details before doing the same as i have done
so , over to the experts, but bear in mind that there are more than a few people who have claimed good results from this drilling procedure
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rovermorris999
1,812 posts
58 months
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Fancy panel and cone filters make sod all difference IMHO. Mazda got it pretty much right with the factory fit. Compare the surface area of a factory filter with a cone, the cone is smaller. The best thing you can do is get colder air in there. Look at the physics of it. Unless you like more noise and the underbonnet looks anything else you do to the air filtration is a waste of time unless you are also looking at the whole exhaust system to get it better flowing and then you'd need to look at the fuelling/timing etc to take advantage of it. I'd like to see the figures from a properly calibrated dyno on tests with various filters on a real car, not some replacement filter manufacturer's test rig. I've heard of this being done but not seen any figures. Has anyone done it? Also I've never understood the attraction of a filter you can wash. New ones cost so little and need replacing so infrequently so what's the point? Surely it's better to have a fresh one than something that may or may not be cleaned properly? Maybe I'm too cynical.  Edited to add: Just found this: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest1.h...Interesting reading.
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Richyvrlimited
1,118 posts
32 months
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The Nutz thread you speak of shows holes far far larger than 4mm, more like 4cm....
The added nose comes from bypassing the snorkel which is designed partly to reduce induction noise, (in conjunction with the rest if the intake tract.
The item which removes the mouse induction noise is the airbox it's self, so my putting holes in it, your bypassing 2 forms of sound suppression
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Odie
3,675 posts
51 months
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Tyrewrecker said: J-Tuner said: Lol do yourself a favour and either leave it as standard or do it properly.
A k&n Panel filter will change the note slightly - but not to the extent you might expect. But the point still remains - you are drawing hot air from the manifold into the engine. Its probably performing worse now than it did at the beginning.
uprated panel filter and unmolested standard pipework - yes (This does make a small difference) aftermarket air filter and heat shield - yes (Will make a lot more noise,with a cold air feed even better) drilling airbox with tiny holes and generally wasting your time and ruining your parts - no (I can't see an upside to doing this at all) I noticed no difference with K+N panel. The only difference I noticed with a K&N panel is that ive not had to change it for the last 7 years
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rovermorris999
1,812 posts
58 months
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Odie said: The only difference I noticed with a K&N panel is that ive not had to change it for the last 7 years How many miles?
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Tyrewrecker
6,419 posts
23 months
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rovermorris999 said: How many miles? they have unlimited mileage policy
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Eighteeteewhy
6,368 posts
37 months
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^^^
Just make sure you clean and oil them.
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Odie
3,675 posts
51 months
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rovermorris999 said: Odie said: The only difference I noticed with a K&N panel is that ive not had to change it for the last 7 years How many miles? about 40k miles, it needs a proper clean and oil every 50-100k. It needs replacing after a million miles
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rovermorris999
1,812 posts
58 months
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I think the paper ones last 4 years or 36k miles at £14 for a Mazda one or about £6 for an aftermarket one.
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