Checking front chassis rail (or not)

Checking front chassis rail (or not)

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Flip Martian

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19,618 posts

190 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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Hoping to go and see at least one Mk 2.5 this weekend. 1 is with an apparently reputable dealer who is offering to put a new 12 month MOT on the car. Given they're prepared to do that, do I need to be THAT fastidious about the front chassis rail? Perhaps just turning the wheels to lock and peering in the wheel arches is enough? Surely if its bad, it will fail?

Obviously I'll be checking out the usual "used car things" and the rear sills, which I guess are an easier exercise. Thoughts?

VladD

7,854 posts

265 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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Unless you're in a big hurry, why not check them. It'll also show the dealer that you know your stuff with regard to MX5s.

Flip Martian

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19,618 posts

190 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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Bit of a faff, isn't it? Getting the car up and removing the undertray? Not that I've ever even seen an undertray yet. I know my stuff only from reading here and elsewhere - and I know rust when I see it. But if you pointed at a car and said "check the front chassis rail all by yourself" I wouldn't have a clue!

VladD

7,854 posts

265 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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Show's my lack of knowledge here then. I assumed you could open the bonnet and get a fair idea by looking down past the engine. I'll shut up shall I? biggrin

Flip Martian

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190 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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lol. That's fine. Sometimes I think its only me who doesn't know what they're talking about...

38911

764 posts

151 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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Yeah without taking the under tray off, it's impossible to see the worst hot spots (which is where the suspension bolts up to the chassis legs). However with bonnet up you can still get a reasonable indication - just take a torch and a small mirror and you should be able to get an idea of the overall condition...

VladD

7,854 posts

265 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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A mirror. st, if I'd thought of that I could have blagged it. Doh!!

chasdad

276 posts

144 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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I wouldn't change it. The dealer could have a friendly mot man. If you know what I mean. Ask him to take undertray off if you can't. If you have it you can put it back on at your leisure

Flip Martian

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19,618 posts

190 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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Okeydokey, thanks - having a look at a Mk 2.5 1.8 sport tomorrow. Will take a mirror along and see if I get any funny looks... smile

Flip Martian

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19,618 posts

190 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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chasdad said:
I wouldn't change it. The dealer could have a friendly mot man. If you know what I mean. Ask him to take undertray off if you can't. If you have it you can put it back on at your leisure
Fair point, yes. Ta! Buyer beware then. smile

KASSL

11 posts

147 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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When I was searching for my MX I took a pair of ramps with me , I ran the car up and had a good look under neath with a good torch and long screwdriver to poke at the rails. The nearside allways seams to be worst.
No seller objected at this. My money is hard earned, not to give it away. Some cars looked Ok but the rails were shot.
Good hunting.


KASSL

11 posts

147 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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When I was searching for my MX I took a pair of ramps with me , I ran the car up and had a good look under neath with a good torch and long screwdriver to poke at the rails. The nearside allways seams to be worst.
No seller objected at this. My money is hard earned, not to give it away. Some cars looked Ok but the rails were shot.
Good hunting.


Flip Martian

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19,618 posts

190 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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Interesting, wonder why the nearside?

pewe

648 posts

219 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Nearside will pick up more water, dirt, grit and salt as it drains down the road camber as well as being washed towards the gutter by traffic - simples.
Cheers, Pewe.

Flip Martian

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190 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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pewe said:
Nearside will pick up more water, dirt, grit and salt as it drains down the road camber as well as being washed towards the gutter by traffic - simples.
Cheers, Pewe.
Ah fair enough. Of course!

Well, immaterial in this particular case as it goes - drove 65 miles to see what was a lovely dark green 2002 1.8 Sport. Only to find someone had put a deposit on it while I was on my way there. In gorgeous condition - sills were fine, no sign of bubbling or anything. Interior was almost showroom condition. Shame really. Still, my 100% ideal would have been green with tan interior - and this was black interior. So, not totally disheartened.

On to the next!

S7Paul

2,103 posts

234 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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MoT testers don't remove the undertray, so I wouldn't be reassured by the car having a new MoT. You can't check properly without removing the undertray, so don't buy one unless you (or someone you trust) has actually had a good look from underneath the car. Repairs can be very expensive - just getting one side done cost my daughter £600.

Flip Martian

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19,618 posts

190 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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S7Paul said:
MoT testers don't remove the undertray, so I wouldn't be reassured by the car having a new MoT. You can't check properly without removing the undertray, so don't buy one unless you (or someone you trust) has actually had a good look from underneath the car. Repairs can be very expensive - just getting one side done cost my daughter £600.
Thats the kind of info I was after, thanks. Even with a (say) 2k "bargain", two rusty rear sills and front chassis rails and you're looking at not far off double, unless you diy...

Actus Reus

4,234 posts

155 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2014
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Bringing this back to life...

Is there a guide on how to check this yourself? Or any specialists who will do a PPI (Or is that overkill on a car of this value?). I'm thinking of a Mk.2 around the £3k mark, probably Jan/Feb time.

That said I'm not totally averse to a Mk.1 and there's a peach (or it appears so) appeared in the classifieds recently - are these much better? Sorry for all the questions, but that journo getting banned in a 911 has turned me back on to the idea of a slower fun-car and MX5s look too good to ignore.

chasdad

276 posts

144 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2014
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Go on mx5 nutz and have a read up. After all I've been reading about chassis rails I wouldn't touch a mk2 or 2.5 and I've had one. I'm onto my 4th mk1. A 1.8 s special and I love it. If it's not your daily car get a mk1. Get a nice one and you won't lose money either

VladD

7,854 posts

265 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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Someone mentioned they had an RS for sale on Facebook (MX5 owners and drivers group). Might be worth trying to track that down.

Edited by VladD on Thursday 4th December 08:35