Ep3 Type R screeching from brakes?

Ep3 Type R screeching from brakes?

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Dr-Sie

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6 posts

85 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Hello lads. Iv had my 03 civic since 2009 and it's been running fine. Maybe about 5 years ago I changed all the brake discs and pads myself, I'm mechanically good with diy etc. Recently last week my driver side rear wheel had started to make a screeching sound even in reverse but worse. I noticed the noise happen more when weight was transferred to that wheel whenever I turned left while driving. When applying the breaks the noise disappears. It's been a week now and the noise is constant driving in a straight line. Now if my understanding of how brakes work is correct, shouldn't this noise be happening when applying the brakes? Is it something else? I don't abuse my brakes. Pads have got plenty of thickness and the discs barely have any signs of wear- hardly any lip showing

Edited by Dr-Sie on Tuesday 21st February 15:41


Edited by Dr-Sie on Tuesday 21st February 15:42

AlexIT

1,482 posts

137 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Hi, could be some dirt between disc and pad.
I'd start by removing the pads you think are noisy and give them a very light scrub.

rallycross

12,747 posts

236 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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its common with these to get a sticky caliper and you will first notice the noise when turning slightly, it will go away when you touch the brakes, as it gets more seized the worse it will get (it will start getting hot).

Dr-Sie

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6 posts

85 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Thank you very much for the input, I'm new here. I thought as much. Going to clean off any dirt or rush off then and use some copper paste in any areas where it need applying

ExPat2B

2,157 posts

199 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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I would go with stuck caliper as well. Another symptom is a vibration through the wheel at speed as the caliper heats up.

Pull the caliper carrier bolt, rotate the caliper up and see if you can move the piston with bleed screw open. You will probably find it has stuck.

One trick is to take it off the car with the brake connected, then give the break pedal a couple of pushes make the piston move out further but not all the way out. Disconnect the main banjo bolt, You can take it out and put it on a workbench, clean any rust off the caliper piston with fine grade emery cloth, and lubricate with red rubber grease

http://www.redrubbergrease.com/tips-how-to-brake-c...

Then beat it with a rubber mallet and a suitable drift to push it back in, before reinstalling on the car and bleeding the brakes. Also check the caliper pins on the two carrier bolts slide smoothly and if not repeat above procedure on them.

This is usually only a stop gap procedure, normally best practice is to simply replace the entire caliper with an exchange unit from brake parts online or similar which is relatively cheap and simple.

Edited by ExPat2B on Tuesday 21st February 16:01

Dr-Sie

Original Poster:

6 posts

85 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Thanks

RSmith1992FK2

30 posts

91 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Had the same problem on my FK2. Front drivers side all of a sudden started screeching whenever I braked and it was worse when reversing, it was a stone caught between the rotor and the calliper. Problem was solved once removed the stone.

IanSC

40 posts

166 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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Last weekend my EP3 developed exactly the same symptoms as the OP's car, albeit with the nearside rear wheel rather than the offside. The screeching noise was intermittent, and the grinding metal on metal noise seemed to go away if you turned a corner or went over a bump. Fortunately I was only a couple of miles from home at the time.
Problem was due to sticking caliper also - I've had this sorted today, along with new rear discs and pads fitted.

Dr-Sie

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6 posts

85 months

Friday 24th February 2017
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Sorted. I'll look at mine now, the weather had been crap lately

jenzo

354 posts

240 months

Friday 24th February 2017
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I had my n/s front caliper sticking in Dec. I knew it was that (it was hard to push the car, vibration at speed and it got v hot). Booked into my local Honda dealer who sorted it. All fine now and no damage to the discs of pads. Its common on these - but did not realise the rear calipers can stick too.

traffman

2,263 posts

208 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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The crappy weather just exacerbates the problem with the ep3 sliders. The pins tend to seize or gunge up. I replaced mines with reconditioned calipers. Ive a Premier now , i believe they've improved the issue. Hmmmmm.

jenzo

354 posts

240 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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Where did you get the reconditioned ones from?

traffman

2,263 posts

208 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Sorry Jenzo , just spotted your post. Let me check the box. Ive still got a spare(old caliper)

traffman

2,263 posts

208 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Just checked the box. Apec brakes. Just send in your old calipers and they will give you money off a nice shiny new pair of reconditioned calipers.

Dr-Sie

Original Poster:

6 posts

85 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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Hello lads. Just a few days after my last post I made a video of the problem that I was getting it's in the link. I still haven't fixed it yet, looking after my kids all the time and Iv only just had tools, bits and bobs delivered through amazon. However I did take the wheel off and there was less scraping but it's back to square one. https://www.dropbox.com/s/6ydrdun8v4ckli4/Video%20...

rallycross

12,747 posts

236 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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It won't do it when you jack it up as it needs some load on it eg light cornering. But it will get worse until eventually it does most of the time .

TheJimi

24,862 posts

242 months

Friday 10th March 2017
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Pick a quiet time and go for a drive over various road types, and get up to speed - do all this without touching the brakes then stop as gently as you can - preferably without touching the brakes) and feel each disc.

Residual heat, if any, will give you a good indication of a sticking caliper.


Obviously this technique requires a bit of planning and quiet roads!

Dr-Sie

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6 posts

85 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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Yh there was definitely some heat transferred to the alloy. I had a pretty good idea what the issue was so I bought lubes beforehand etc. It was the bottom sliding bolt on the calliper that had a stiffy. Cleaned it up, silicone greased it, jobs a good'un. The inner side pads were badly worn uneven, the wear indicator was causing the noise. Went to Euro carparts yesterday, got there at 4pm and they were bloody closing up the store. Iv ordered complete discs and pads for all 4 wheels off eBay now. Had to do a temporary cowboy job by filing the wear indicator down by a few mill and slapping them back on. The piston looks like it was working in good condition. It was pumping in and out with the brake pedal. And I screwed it all the way back in. I also may have a slight warp in the disc, it's not visible as I turn it on the hub. Getting small amounts of rubbing from the pads but that could just be the crap pad I put back on. Drives well for now.

TheJimi

24,862 posts

242 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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As I understand it, discs don't tend to "warp" per-se, rather it's deposits transferred from the pad to the disc that causes the vibration.