Has anyone intentionally purchased a fake watch?
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Nothing wrong in having morals, nothing at all. Like I said, knowing what has been said in the past both on his forum and others I'm just surprised as to how long it took for the 'funding wars etc' arguement to raise it's head and that said longer than expected time made me chuckle as illustrated by the 
at the end of the sentence.
I think that we all accept that fakes aren't right but I thought that the whole jist of this thread was to side step that aspect of it (for right or wrong) and just have a casual chat about the watches and 'fessing up about such purchases.
at the end of the sentence. I think that we all accept that fakes aren't right but I thought that the whole jist of this thread was to side step that aspect of it (for right or wrong) and just have a casual chat about the watches and 'fessing up about such purchases.
bobbybee said:
No never
And I can't agree with anyone who has for any reason.
Simply because it perpetuates crime, and makes the criminal buyer just a guilty as the criminal seller.
All adding to the slow slide down to a lawless society, where good folk are trapped in their homes with fear of the bad folk who can just do whatever they want and damnation for all.
Counterfeiting funds more serious criminal activities, don't be nieve thinking it's just a fake watch, it's part of organised crime, you buying it means you've contributed to it, so don't b
h next time you're a victim of it
A bit heavy in a previously light hearted discussion about watchesAnd I can't agree with anyone who has for any reason.
Simply because it perpetuates crime, and makes the criminal buyer just a guilty as the criminal seller.
All adding to the slow slide down to a lawless society, where good folk are trapped in their homes with fear of the bad folk who can just do whatever they want and damnation for all.
Counterfeiting funds more serious criminal activities, don't be nieve thinking it's just a fake watch, it's part of organised crime, you buying it means you've contributed to it, so don't b
h next time you're a victim of itWhy is it we are always morally blackmailed with the " Counterfeiters eat babies arguement".Do you not feel sometimes this is just put about by manufacturers to protect the extortionate prices they often charge.
Counterfeiting is basically a method of using someone's established brand name and cachet to make a profit.At the end of the day can you vouch for what happens to the money earned by pucka manufacturers.
P7ULG said:
A bit heavy in a previously light hearted discussion about watches
Why is it we are always morally blackmailed with the " Counterfeiters eat babies arguement".Do you not feel sometimes this is just put about by manufacturers to protect the extortionate prices they often charge.
Counterfeiting is basically a method of using someone's established brand name and cachet to make a profit.At the end of the day can you vouch for what happens to the money earned by pucka manufacturers.
How can you have a light hearted discussion about knowingly buying fakes? It's basically contributors admitting to a criminal act.Why is it we are always morally blackmailed with the " Counterfeiters eat babies arguement".Do you not feel sometimes this is just put about by manufacturers to protect the extortionate prices they often charge.
Counterfeiting is basically a method of using someone's established brand name and cachet to make a profit.At the end of the day can you vouch for what happens to the money earned by pucka manufacturers.
How can doing the right thing, or rather, not doing the wrong thing be moral blackmail, if you genuinely feel there's nothing wrong in buying fake goods why would you feel blackmailed?
And who said anything about baby eating? All that's been said is that the perceived small crime of counterfeiting provides funds for larger criminal ventures. Someone who buys a fake helps grease those wheels.
There wouldn't be counterfeit goods if there wasn't a market for them
As for vouching for the genuine manufacturers, that's just a silly thing to say, of course I can't vouch for all of them, or need to, my money was spent legally. They have the law, industry watchdogs etc to answer to, if found up to no good, which are funded partially by the taxes levied from the legal goods I've just purchased.
But I can vouch for two as examples,
PP a family run business reinvests its profits back into the company
Rolex, is a none profit organisation owned by two charitable foundations who spend a lot of their funds within the local community.
But in the end each to their own. If you feel okay with purchasing fake goods and committing crime as you do so, so be it.
But should you ever be a victim of crime yourself don't ask for help and sympathy from the law abiding, as you won't get it. Just consider it your dividend for your investment
someone got me this as a cheap souveneer.
they got it off a lucky lucky man on the beach for 2 euros.
its got the tinyest of cheap quartz movements but sweeps fairly well.
i never wear it mainly because im not keen on the style (bloody awfull!)
im very willing to swap it for something of similar crapness if anyone wants.
they got it off a lucky lucky man on the beach for 2 euros.
its got the tinyest of cheap quartz movements but sweeps fairly well.
i never wear it mainly because im not keen on the style (bloody awfull!)
im very willing to swap it for something of similar crapness if anyone wants.
Edited by dudleybloke on Sunday 4th September 03:06
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But in the end each to their own. If you feel okay with purchasing fake goods and committing crime as you do so, so be it.
But should you ever be a victim of crime yourself don't ask for help and sympathy from the law abiding, as you won't get it. Just consider it your dividend for your investment
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Judge and Jury as well as ! The smugness of the self righteous
Sorry to disappoint but I have never actually bought a fake watch, so I suppose I am OK
Edited by P7ULG on Sunday 4th September 13:51
I bought a fake Brieghtling in 1999 from a market stall in Malaysia, imagine my surprise when I took it scuba diving to 40m and it carried on working. No leak, no misting, happy as larry at 40m.
Imagine my surprise when I found it in drawer last year, gave it a shake (see-through back and auto winding) and it started keeping time again.
Imagine my surprise when I found it in drawer last year, gave it a shake (see-through back and auto winding) and it started keeping time again.
P7ULG said:
Judge and Jury as well as ! The smugness of the self righteous
Sorry to disappoint but I have never actually bought a fake watch, so I suppose I am ok
Ha yes, Iam the LAW, call me DREDD Sorry to disappoint but I have never actually bought a fake watch, so I suppose I am ok
I don't think that I am or my morals are superior to anyone else's, i'm, just voicing my view as I'm entitled to.
And I don't know why you think you have disappointed me or why you need my approval. You haven't & you don't.
I'm ok with live and let live, or, each to their own as I have already stated. I haven't personally attacked anyone, just acts that have been commited that I do not agree with.
So I would appreciate the same in return.
I'm happy to discuss the moral / legal aspects of counterfeiting as long as it doesn't turn to personal abuse
I dunno - I think there are far more profitable things to do than bang out fake watches...all the "funds terrorism" stuff seems a bit over done to me...stealing cars/parts makes a lot of money...dealing drugs makes an INSANE amount of money....people trafficking...prostitution...etc etc...
To put it another way, if you could magically remove all fake watches and completely shut down that industry, it would make absolutely 0 difference to terrorists or crime organisations.
You end up having the same argument/discussion that you do about software "piracy"/IP theft etc etc etc and can shuttle back and forth about "is it a crime?" "who has lost out and if so what?"...
To put it another way, if you could magically remove all fake watches and completely shut down that industry, it would make absolutely 0 difference to terrorists or crime organisations.
You end up having the same argument/discussion that you do about software "piracy"/IP theft etc etc etc and can shuttle back and forth about "is it a crime?" "who has lost out and if so what?"...
Irrotational said:
I dunno - I think there are far more profitable things to do than bang out fake watches...all the "funds terrorism" stuff seems a bit over done to me...stealing cars/parts makes a lot of money...dealing drugs makes an INSANE amount of money....people trafficking...prostitution...etc etc...
To put it another way, if you could magically remove all fake watches and completely shut down that industry, it would make absolutely 0 difference to terrorists or crime organisations.
You end up having the same argument/discussion that you do about software "piracy"/IP theft etc etc etc and can shuttle back and forth about "is it a crime?" "who has lost out and if so what?"...
I've said this before. I think its a bit of a loose connection. Someone posted up a link to interpol last time this discussion and there was no hard evidence that moody watches support terrorism. I'm not justifying buying moody gear as I think its wrong but each to their own. To put it another way, if you could magically remove all fake watches and completely shut down that industry, it would make absolutely 0 difference to terrorists or crime organisations.
You end up having the same argument/discussion that you do about software "piracy"/IP theft etc etc etc and can shuttle back and forth about "is it a crime?" "who has lost out and if so what?"...
I just remembered I bought some Ray Ban/Tommy Hilfger glasses in Tenerife when I was younger. Ray Ban on one side Tommy Hilfiger on the other. Purely for s
ts and giggles. My mate got a "gold" chain that turned green about a week later. Lol. Irrotational said:
I dunno - I think there are far more profitable things to do than bang out fake watches...all the "funds terrorism" stuff seems a bit over done to me...stealing cars/parts makes a lot of money...dealing drugs makes an INSANE amount of money....people trafficking...prostitution...etc etc...
To put it another way, if you could magically remove all fake watches and completely shut down that industry, it would make absolutely 0 difference to terrorists or crime organisations.
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I totally agreeTo put it another way, if you could magically remove all fake watches and completely shut down that industry, it would make absolutely 0 difference to terrorists or crime organisations.
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I don't buy the serious crime or terrorism crap either.
Yes, it's illegal, as is spending Saturday afternoon burning CD's/DVD's on your PC, and selling them at a car boot on the Sunday. As has been said, drugs, prostitution etc are more lucrative. Some North African guy at the beach or other European tourist hot spot, with some hooky watches he bought off a dodgy wholesaler, who imports them from a watch factory in China over the internet, isn't exactly Al Qeada or the Triads.
It's just knock off black market goods, no more or less sinister than any other knock off black market goods. Illegal, for sure, but watches do appear to cop for some rather peculiar spin in this area.
Yes, it's illegal, as is spending Saturday afternoon burning CD's/DVD's on your PC, and selling them at a car boot on the Sunday. As has been said, drugs, prostitution etc are more lucrative. Some North African guy at the beach or other European tourist hot spot, with some hooky watches he bought off a dodgy wholesaler, who imports them from a watch factory in China over the internet, isn't exactly Al Qeada or the Triads.
It's just knock off black market goods, no more or less sinister than any other knock off black market goods. Illegal, for sure, but watches do appear to cop for some rather peculiar spin in this area.
Criminality comes into it when people are trying to pass off fake watches as the real thing.
I would think the people on this forum would have the common sense to know that you are not going to get a £10K watch for 50 Quid and so the watches are bought in the knowledge that they are indeed fakes.They are not bought with the intention of depriving the manufacturer of revenue or in the knowledge that they are financing world terror.They are bought, in a tongue in cheek way, to have on your wrist what would be normally unobtainable.
I would think the people on this forum would have the common sense to know that you are not going to get a £10K watch for 50 Quid and so the watches are bought in the knowledge that they are indeed fakes.They are not bought with the intention of depriving the manufacturer of revenue or in the knowledge that they are financing world terror.They are bought, in a tongue in cheek way, to have on your wrist what would be normally unobtainable.
bobbybee said:
Yes, yes I am. As tax avoidance is not illegal, tax evasion is, as is buying, or being in possession of counterfeit goods
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1019598/An-idiots-guide-buying-fake-Rolex.htmlFrom the article:
article said:
I talk to David Grome, a barrister who specialises in prosecuting cases relating to counterfeit goods. He assures me that while it is theoretically possible to say that someone who knowingly purchases a counterfeit watch is aiding and abetting the commission of the offence by the seller, buyers in the UK (unlike those in France and Italy) are never prosecuted.
I'm a big fan of the copies as I do seem to knock mine about quite a lot.
Currently I have 6 on the go, all autos and all working fine with the oldest now being three years old.
If anyone is interested I can post up pics in the morning. My latest a DSSD may suprise you on the quality.
I've also got maybe 50 odd pictures of various copies from the last time I visited my local supplier.
Currently I have 6 on the go, all autos and all working fine with the oldest now being three years old.
If anyone is interested I can post up pics in the morning. My latest a DSSD may suprise you on the quality.
I've also got maybe 50 odd pictures of various copies from the last time I visited my local supplier.
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