Sinn UX: Nice watch, crappy movement!!
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Interesting thread.
What you are witnessing should not create disappointment. On the contrary, what you are watching is fantastic technology in action.
So why the 'bounce-back?'
You already have one of your answers. The oil in the watch requires extra torque from the movement. Luckily, the ETA movement you have in the Sinn meets these requirements and can cope with the extra effort needed to plough through the oil. However, as has been pointed out, it can create the impression of 'bounce.'
I had a SDW Hyperbar (ETA 955.112) and it reacted in exactly the same way. Personally, rather than irritating me, it added charm to the watch.
However, you are also witnessing something else, namely, 'inhibition.' To have this splendidly explained have a look at :http://omegaforums.net/threads/quartz-watches-some-information-some-may-find-interesting.5475/
This should be of interest to any possessor of a quartz watch.
In short, what you are witnessing is not a 'problem,' rather it is a demonstration of what a stonking piece of kit you possess. The 'inhibition,' by the way, also explains why your watch is extremely accurate.
What you are witnessing should not create disappointment. On the contrary, what you are watching is fantastic technology in action.
So why the 'bounce-back?'
You already have one of your answers. The oil in the watch requires extra torque from the movement. Luckily, the ETA movement you have in the Sinn meets these requirements and can cope with the extra effort needed to plough through the oil. However, as has been pointed out, it can create the impression of 'bounce.'
I had a SDW Hyperbar (ETA 955.112) and it reacted in exactly the same way. Personally, rather than irritating me, it added charm to the watch.
However, you are also witnessing something else, namely, 'inhibition.' To have this splendidly explained have a look at :http://omegaforums.net/threads/quartz-watches-some-information-some-may-find-interesting.5475/
This should be of interest to any possessor of a quartz watch.
In short, what you are witnessing is not a 'problem,' rather it is a demonstration of what a stonking piece of kit you possess. The 'inhibition,' by the way, also explains why your watch is extremely accurate.
Maybe 15 years ago now I was working in a Beuchat dealer when they introduced the Abyssal oil-filled models. They didn't kick back like this, but they weren't COSC and had a fairly normal (and expensive!) 3 year battery life.
Obviously, one of the first things tried was filling an old Limit 30m rated watch from the spares bin with baby oil. It worked beautifully - passed dive testing without an issue and gave that lovely refraction-free view of the dial - except for the tiny flaw that it leaked baby-oil over your wrist when it heated up in the sun because the seals couldn't keep the expansion pressure in
Obviously, one of the first things tried was filling an old Limit 30m rated watch from the spares bin with baby oil. It worked beautifully - passed dive testing without an issue and gave that lovely refraction-free view of the dial - except for the tiny flaw that it leaked baby-oil over your wrist when it heated up in the sun because the seals couldn't keep the expansion pressure in
Conrad Turner said:
Interesting thread.
What you are witnessing should not create disappointment. On the contrary, what you are watching is fantastic technology in action.
So why the 'bounce-back?'
You already have one of your answers. The oil in the watch requires extra torque from the movement. Luckily, the ETA movement you have in the Sinn meets these requirements and can cope with the extra effort needed to plough through the oil. However, as has been pointed out, it can create the impression of 'bounce.'
I had a SDW Hyperbar (ETA 955.112) and it reacted in exactly the same way. Personally, rather than irritating me, it added charm to the watch.
However, you are also witnessing something else, namely, 'inhibition.' To have this splendidly explained have a look at :http://omegaforums.net/threads/quartz-watches-some-information-some-may-find-interesting.5475/
This should be of interest to any possessor of a quartz watch.
In short, what you are witnessing is not a 'problem,' rather it is a demonstration of what a stonking piece of kit you possess. The 'inhibition,' by the way, also explains why your watch is extremely accurate.
bWhat you are witnessing should not create disappointment. On the contrary, what you are watching is fantastic technology in action.
So why the 'bounce-back?'
You already have one of your answers. The oil in the watch requires extra torque from the movement. Luckily, the ETA movement you have in the Sinn meets these requirements and can cope with the extra effort needed to plough through the oil. However, as has been pointed out, it can create the impression of 'bounce.'
I had a SDW Hyperbar (ETA 955.112) and it reacted in exactly the same way. Personally, rather than irritating me, it added charm to the watch.
However, you are also witnessing something else, namely, 'inhibition.' To have this splendidly explained have a look at :http://omegaforums.net/threads/quartz-watches-some-information-some-may-find-interesting.5475/
This should be of interest to any possessor of a quartz watch.
In short, what you are witnessing is not a 'problem,' rather it is a demonstration of what a stonking piece of kit you possess. The 'inhibition,' by the way, also explains why your watch is extremely accurate.
ks.......if you asked 100 Sinn owners if they liked the bounce back 99 would say no......it looks awful and detracts from the watch........the hands don't even line up with marks.....poor watch or as somebody else has said, Friday afternoon watchIt would drive me bonkers.
Edited by michael gould on Saturday 19th April 09:54
michael gould said:
bks.......if you asked 100 Sinn owners if they liked the bounce back 99 would say no......it looks awful and detracts from the watch........the hands don't even line up with marks.....poor watch or as somebody else has said, Friday afternoon watch
It would drive me bonkers.
Do I "like" the bounce back on mine? No. Would I rather the second hand hit the markers with every advancement of the hand? Yes. Does it detract from the ownership experience? For me, not to the point that I'd chop the watch in for another as I feel that I gain more than is lost. Sinn themselves chose that movement knowing that they were making a particular compromise and I accept and understand why they made the choice they did. If it was a true fault, ie poor quality workmanship or design, then I wouldn't be so forgiving. As it is, my UX has been accurate to 3sec per year, shows no signs of wear due to its tegimented bezel, has crystal clear reading at all angles, works with many strap options, has the best bezel action I've experienced on any watch (indicating a degree of engineering quality) and it has the completely unnecessary feature of being water tight to 5 kilometres ks.......if you asked 100 Sinn owners if they liked the bounce back 99 would say no......it looks awful and detracts from the watch........the hands don't even line up with marks.....poor watch or as somebody else has said, Friday afternoon watchIt would drive me bonkers.
Edited by michael gould on Saturday 19th April 09:54
I can understand why for some it would put them off, but not me. There are many mechanical movements that have their quirks (rotor wobble, chrono stutter, twitching hands on chrono reset and so on) that could be put down to poor design or could just be noted as characteristics.
Edited by CardShark on Saturday 19th April 11:48
another thumbs up for the UX. had a new one in my collection for a few months now and its a grower. It gets as much wrist time as my other watches. its got serious presence and everyone who sees it cant get their head around the odd angles you read it, and how the hands look like they are stuck to the inside of the crystal. its very cool; and then theres the cachet of the... yeah its certified to 5000m, whats your sub do? its just a cool watch, and in the best use of pointless over engineering. love it.
so if i had to complain.....
1.) the lume isnt great. probably because of the oil. not in the same league as an omega for instance.
2.) the mis alignment of hands. annoying. i can forgive the bounce back - i actually find that charming as it changes as the hand goes uphill/downhill; but i dont get the misalignment.
3.) the heft. its a seriously seriously heavy watch on the bracelet. if they did a Ti version it would be better again. id swop for that.
not mine (mine is the UX SDR)
so if i had to complain.....
1.) the lume isnt great. probably because of the oil. not in the same league as an omega for instance.
2.) the mis alignment of hands. annoying. i can forgive the bounce back - i actually find that charming as it changes as the hand goes uphill/downhill; but i dont get the misalignment.
3.) the heft. its a seriously seriously heavy watch on the bracelet. if they did a Ti version it would be better again. id swop for that.
not mine (mine is the UX SDR)
In reply to Michael Gould I would quote Tony Blair.
"Education, Education, Education."
The 'bounce back' might be unexpected, you might deem it to be annoying. However, the fact is, unless you are a complete numpty, you will realise that this is actually a sign of the watch working well, not badly.
Frankly, if you think that a good quartz watch is one that "hits all the seconds accurately" you are too dense to be allowed to own a watch in the first place. If that is what you want, fine, just get a watch of the market and be happy. It will no doubt touch all the seconds, but will it be as accurate: NO.
Read the link that I made reference to and all will be made clear. Good quality quartz watches have the quality that I referred to, namely, 'inhibition.' This means that they will 'auto-correct'. As a consequence, as the second hand passes around the face, they will - inevitably - adjust. This adjustment will mean that somewhere on the face of the watch they will not "hit the second." However, the bonus is that they will more accurately register time.
It is no doubt true that there are many out there who have spent a large amount of money on a Sinn who think that because the second hand does not land on each second accurately that they have wasted their money. They are (a) wrong (for the reasons that I have mentioned above and (b), should really get a life.
"Education, Education, Education."
The 'bounce back' might be unexpected, you might deem it to be annoying. However, the fact is, unless you are a complete numpty, you will realise that this is actually a sign of the watch working well, not badly.
Frankly, if you think that a good quartz watch is one that "hits all the seconds accurately" you are too dense to be allowed to own a watch in the first place. If that is what you want, fine, just get a watch of the market and be happy. It will no doubt touch all the seconds, but will it be as accurate: NO.
Read the link that I made reference to and all will be made clear. Good quality quartz watches have the quality that I referred to, namely, 'inhibition.' This means that they will 'auto-correct'. As a consequence, as the second hand passes around the face, they will - inevitably - adjust. This adjustment will mean that somewhere on the face of the watch they will not "hit the second." However, the bonus is that they will more accurately register time.
It is no doubt true that there are many out there who have spent a large amount of money on a Sinn who think that because the second hand does not land on each second accurately that they have wasted their money. They are (a) wrong (for the reasons that I have mentioned above and (b), should really get a life.
Conrad Turner said:
In reply to Michael Gould I would quote Tony Blair.
"Education, Education, Education."
The 'bounce back' might be unexpected, you might deem it to be annoying. However, the fact is, unless you are a complete numpty, you will realise that this is actually a sign of the watch working well, not badly.
Frankly, if you think that a good quartz watch is one that "hits all the seconds accurately" you are too dense to be allowed to own a watch in the first place. If that is what you want, fine, just get a watch of the market and be happy. It will no doubt touch all the seconds, but will it be as accurate: NO.
Read the link that I made reference to and all will be made clear. Good quality quartz watches have the quality that I referred to, namely, 'inhibition.' This means that they will 'auto-correct'. As a consequence, as the second hand passes around the face, they will - inevitably - adjust. This adjustment will mean that somewhere on the face of the watch they will not "hit the second." However, the bonus is that they will more accurately register time.
It is no doubt true that there are many out there who have spent a large amount of money on a Sinn who think that because the second hand does not land on each second accurately that they have wasted their money. They are (a) wrong (for the reasons that I have mentioned above and (b), should really get a life.
Wow, determined to make friends here...."Education, Education, Education."
The 'bounce back' might be unexpected, you might deem it to be annoying. However, the fact is, unless you are a complete numpty, you will realise that this is actually a sign of the watch working well, not badly.
Frankly, if you think that a good quartz watch is one that "hits all the seconds accurately" you are too dense to be allowed to own a watch in the first place. If that is what you want, fine, just get a watch of the market and be happy. It will no doubt touch all the seconds, but will it be as accurate: NO.
Read the link that I made reference to and all will be made clear. Good quality quartz watches have the quality that I referred to, namely, 'inhibition.' This means that they will 'auto-correct'. As a consequence, as the second hand passes around the face, they will - inevitably - adjust. This adjustment will mean that somewhere on the face of the watch they will not "hit the second." However, the bonus is that they will more accurately register time.
It is no doubt true that there are many out there who have spent a large amount of money on a Sinn who think that because the second hand does not land on each second accurately that they have wasted their money. They are (a) wrong (for the reasons that I have mentioned above and (b), should really get a life.
Sermon aside, I couldn't care for the reasons - the fact remains that if I purchased a watch that did that I would return it, as I would not be happy with the action.
Podie said:
Conrad Turner said:
In reply to Michael Gould I would quote Tony Blair.
"Education, Education, Education."
The 'bounce back' might be unexpected, you might deem it to be annoying. However, the fact is, unless you are a complete numpty, you will realise that this is actually a sign of the watch working well, not badly.
Frankly, if you think that a good quartz watch is one that "hits all the seconds accurately" you are too dense to be allowed to own a watch in the first place. If that is what you want, fine, just get a watch of the market and be happy. It will no doubt touch all the seconds, but will it be as accurate: NO.
Read the link that I made reference to and all will be made clear. Good quality quartz watches have the quality that I referred to, namely, 'inhibition.' This means that they will 'auto-correct'. As a consequence, as the second hand passes around the face, they will - inevitably - adjust. This adjustment will mean that somewhere on the face of the watch they will not "hit the second." However, the bonus is that they will more accurately register time.
It is no doubt true that there are many out there who have spent a large amount of money on a Sinn who think that because the second hand does not land on each second accurately that they have wasted their money. They are (a) wrong (for the reasons that I have mentioned above and (b), should really get a life.
Wow, determined to make friends here...."Education, Education, Education."
The 'bounce back' might be unexpected, you might deem it to be annoying. However, the fact is, unless you are a complete numpty, you will realise that this is actually a sign of the watch working well, not badly.
Frankly, if you think that a good quartz watch is one that "hits all the seconds accurately" you are too dense to be allowed to own a watch in the first place. If that is what you want, fine, just get a watch of the market and be happy. It will no doubt touch all the seconds, but will it be as accurate: NO.
Read the link that I made reference to and all will be made clear. Good quality quartz watches have the quality that I referred to, namely, 'inhibition.' This means that they will 'auto-correct'. As a consequence, as the second hand passes around the face, they will - inevitably - adjust. This adjustment will mean that somewhere on the face of the watch they will not "hit the second." However, the bonus is that they will more accurately register time.
It is no doubt true that there are many out there who have spent a large amount of money on a Sinn who think that because the second hand does not land on each second accurately that they have wasted their money. They are (a) wrong (for the reasons that I have mentioned above and (b), should really get a life.
Sermon aside, I couldn't care for the reasons - the fact remains that if I purchased a watch that did that I would return it, as I would not be happy with the action.
Conrad Turner said:
In reply to Michael Gould I would quote Tony Blair.
"Education, Education, Education."
The 'bounce back' might be unexpected, you might deem it to be annoying. However, the fact is, unless you are a complete numpty, you will realise that this is actually a sign of the watch working well, not badly.
Frankly, if you think that a good quartz watch is one that "hits all the seconds accurately" you are too dense to be allowed to own a watch in the first place. If that is what you want, fine, just get a watch of the market and be happy. It will no doubt touch all the seconds, but will it be as accurate: NO.
Read the link that I made reference to and all will be made clear. Good quality quartz watches have the quality that I referred to, namely, 'inhibition.' This means that they will 'auto-correct'. As a consequence, as the second hand passes around the face, they will - inevitably - adjust. This adjustment will mean that somewhere on the face of the watch they will not "hit the second." However, the bonus is that they will more accurately register time.
It is no doubt true that there are many out there who have spent a large amount of money on a Sinn who think that because the second hand does not land on each second accurately that they have wasted their money. They are (a) wrong (for the reasons that I have mentioned above and (b), should really get a life.
Each to their own.......enjoy your bounce back watch "Education, Education, Education."
The 'bounce back' might be unexpected, you might deem it to be annoying. However, the fact is, unless you are a complete numpty, you will realise that this is actually a sign of the watch working well, not badly.
Frankly, if you think that a good quartz watch is one that "hits all the seconds accurately" you are too dense to be allowed to own a watch in the first place. If that is what you want, fine, just get a watch of the market and be happy. It will no doubt touch all the seconds, but will it be as accurate: NO.
Read the link that I made reference to and all will be made clear. Good quality quartz watches have the quality that I referred to, namely, 'inhibition.' This means that they will 'auto-correct'. As a consequence, as the second hand passes around the face, they will - inevitably - adjust. This adjustment will mean that somewhere on the face of the watch they will not "hit the second." However, the bonus is that they will more accurately register time.
It is no doubt true that there are many out there who have spent a large amount of money on a Sinn who think that because the second hand does not land on each second accurately that they have wasted their money. They are (a) wrong (for the reasons that I have mentioned above and (b), should really get a life.
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