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Big Tav

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483 posts

33 months

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I just wanted to ask if you have to pay VAT on a used watch in the UK if I bought one from the US or EU? If so do I need to add 20% or is it less because it's used? If I do have to do you pay tax on the watch or the total price including shipping?

Thanks!



davepoth

19,884 posts

68 months

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Yes, you generally will since you'll need to declare the value of the watch for insurance purposes so customs will know the value.

However if the 20% is going to be more than the price of a return flight, take a trip and return with the watch on your wrist, and the box in the post. wink

chris56

62 posts

48 months

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You will have to pay VAT on the watch from the US but you don't have to pay VAT on watches from another EU country. You can basically buy as many watches as you want from the EU and not pay any VAT(as you will have paid VAT in the EU on it). Given that the Euro is fairly low against sterling it makes sense to buy a watch in the EU.

mikeveal

1,073 posts

119 months

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Yup, just had a parcel arrive from USA. VAT is now charged on anything over £15.
You may well have to pay an excise duty on top of that too. HMRC Customs and Excise have a webpage all about this, helpfully it actually tells you sod all.

marcosgt

6,192 posts

45 months

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mikeveal said:
Yup, just had a parcel arrive from USA. VAT is now charged on anything over £15.
You may well have to pay an excise duty on top of that too. HMRC Customs and Excise have a webpage all about this, helpfully it actually tells you sod all.
There's often a handling charge from your shipper too...

M.
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Dominic H

2,720 posts

101 months

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mikeveal said:
Yup, just had a parcel arrive from USA. VAT is now charged on anything over £15.
You may well have to pay an excise duty on top of that too. HMRC Customs and Excise have a webpage all about this, helpfully it actually tells you sod all.
Unless you're an accountant (I'm not). This is more useful...

http://www.dutycalculator.com/new-import-duty-and-...

eyebeebe

1,271 posts

102 months

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Does this work in reverse? I.e if I buy a watch second hand in Britain and export it to Switzerland, can I reclaim 20% VAT upon export or do they not attract VAT in the first place because they are second hand?

Dominic H

2,720 posts

101 months

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eyebeebe said:
Does this work in reverse? I.e if I buy a watch second hand in Britain and export it to Switzerland, can I reclaim 20% VAT upon export or do they not attract VAT in the first place because they are second hand?
Nope......

eyebeebe

1,271 posts

102 months

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Dominic H said:
Nope......
I thought as much. Bugger frown

Thanks

sneijder

4,856 posts

103 months

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marcosgt said:
There's often a handling charge from your shipper too...

M.
They love to prepay the taxes for you (including the shipping in the grand total) then charge you an admin fee for doing it.

I always avoid UPS, FedEx etc. I always ask if the seller will send with their national postage service, then you'll be collecting it from Doris and Betty in the Post Office who don't know what they're doing and just hand it over.

Sellers in the East are generally more than happy to mark things down on the customs form if they sniff a sale.

mikeveal

1,073 posts

119 months

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sneijder said:
marcosgt said:
There's often a handling charge from your shipper too...

M.
They love to prepay the taxes for you (including the shipping in the grand total) then charge you an admin fee for doing it.

I always avoid UPS, FedEx etc. I always ask if the seller will send with their national postage service, then you'll be collecting it from Doris and Betty in the Post Office who don't know what they're doing and just hand it over.

Sellers in the East are generally more than happy to mark things down on the customs form if they sniff a sale.
My $40 Item, shipped by domestic US post, attracted just over a fiver of VAT and a £8 fee. I wasn't best chuffed.

Not only that, but it was my own bloody fault that I needed the goods. As it's watch related...



I found a nice 1930's Bulova in an antiques shop. The face is unrestored and the 10K GF case is pretty good. Knowing that restored Bulovas from this era fetch £200ish and that good condition unrestored wathes are like hens teeth, I was happy to stump up the £95 asking price.

I knew the watch would probably need a service, but I was dead chuffed to find that it was actually running fast. So, stupidly, I opened the case and prised the movement out, planning to slow it up a little. I say "stupidly", it's not a difficult job, I've done this plenty of times to other watches. But this time, I applied my lever to the wrong place and managed to bend the balance staff (In my defense, you couldn't see it until the movement was out of the case.) So I killed an 80 year old original watch in less than 48 hours of ownership. boxedinweeping

The parcel from the states is a replacement Bulova 7AK movement. Watch and movement are now at a trusted watch repairer.

Big Tav

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483 posts

33 months

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Hi guys, thanks for te responses! I have found a new watch in Italy from a dealer for just over €3000 so I need to confirm that I have this right. The seller says his online price includes VAT so when it arrives to me or gets stopped at customs it will not have any VAT or import duties at all to pay? I don't want to make a mistake that size!

Dominic H

2,720 posts

101 months

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Big Tav said:
Hi guys, thanks for te responses! I have found a new watch in Italy from a dealer for just over €3000 so I need to confirm that I have this right. The seller says his online price includes VAT so when it arrives to me or gets stopped at customs it will not have any VAT or import duties at all to pay? I don't want to make a mistake that size!
A watch from Italy (within EU) will incur no VAT to import. What are you buying, can it not be sourced here on budget?....

Big Tav

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483 posts

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Thanks for the reply, so no VAT. Any other costs from Customs? It's a really nice watch! Would cost a LOT more here to buy it...as long as I don't get hit VAT or import duties etc. Pics will follow if I get it!

daveenty

1,248 posts

79 months

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I also bought a nice watch from an Italian dealer and it was sent via UPS.

The only additional costs incurred was a £27.00 charge from my bank, though it states on the confirmation slip: -

"The foreign bank MAY deduct a handling fee from the amount sent" (Their bold)

No fee was deducted, and the UPS guy appeared in under 24 hours, which impressed me. smile

With the exchange rate as it is, Europe seems a good place to buy at the moment.

Podie

38,379 posts

144 months

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Big Tav said:
Thanks for the reply, so no VAT. Any other costs from Customs? It's a really nice watch! Would cost a LOT more here to buy it...as long as I don't get hit VAT or import duties etc. Pics will follow if I get it!
You realise Dominic H is a watch dealer?

No harm in asking...

mikeveal

1,073 posts

119 months

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Big Tav said:
Hi guys, thanks for te responses! I have found a new watch in Italy from a dealer for just over €3000 so I need to confirm that I have this right. The seller says his online price includes VAT so when it arrives to me or gets stopped at customs it will not have any VAT or import duties at all to pay? I don't want to make a mistake that size!
eek
redcard

Make sure you have a witness when you open the parcel. Expensive stuff that goes through the Italian postal service does't always go through the Italian postal service, if you know what I mean.

I got caught on a Tissot. The parcel bag had been cut open and resealed with packing tape, fortunately I was excited enough to open the parcel in the parcel office - so I had a couple of counter staff to act as a witness.

Parcel opened, found to be empty, and because the staff saw it, they let me immediately log it as opened and having had the contents stolen.



Podie

38,379 posts

144 months

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mikeveal said:
Big Tav said:
Hi guys, thanks for te responses! I have found a new watch in Italy from a dealer for just over €3000 so I need to confirm that I have this right. The seller says his online price includes VAT so when it arrives to me or gets stopped at customs it will not have any VAT or import duties at all to pay? I don't want to make a mistake that size!
eek
redcard

Make sure you have a witness when you open the parcel. Expensive stuff that goes through the Italian postal service does't always go through the Italian postal service, if you know what I mean.

I got caught on a Tissot. The parcel bag had been cut open and resealed with packing tape, fortunately I was excited enough to open the parcel in the parcel office - so I had a couple of counter staff to act as a witness.

Parcel opened, found to be empty, and because the staff saw it, they let me immediately log it as opened and having had the contents stolen.
Good advice.

NickU

14 posts

9 months

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I've asked a couple of US sellers a few times to send the parcels marked as 'gift' under $15 dollars
to avoid the annoying tax catch - however i'm certainly not saying do that!

Other option is to get someone to bring you one back if they are away and wear it for the inbound journey?

Wurls

1,260 posts

74 months

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NickU said:
I've asked a couple of US sellers a few times to send the parcels marked as 'gift' under $15 dollars
to avoid the annoying tax catch - however i'm certainly not saying do that!
yikes Good, because that would be defrauding HMRC
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