does this rolex look legit ?

[Eighteeteewhy]

26 bids, £2,900!

[Nick M]

audidoody said:

" i have had it checked and everything is as it should be."

Oh. OK. Here's my £2,250.

I sent the seller a question yesterday asking where they'd had it checked out and whether it was at an authorised dealer. Also asked for pictures of the back of the watch.

Oddly enough, no reply yet...

[Adrian W]

I reported it as a fake at 8.00am yesterday, I dont know who else did but it is still there, Ebay don't give a toss as long as they get their cut.

[Chicane-UK]

Ah the classic auction.. 0 feedback seller and, conveniently, no box and papers - and they want £3,000 - who in their right mind would bid on that?!

You'd think they'd at least make the effort to source a genuine box and stuff and at least make it slightly more believable!

[7Llewelyn]

I too have reported it as a fake. It really makes you wonder what suit of fool places bids on these items, it's a lot of money lose through stupidity!

[hilly10]

If you are dead certain it's a fake which Ialso think it is why not bid it up to a stupid level so no innocent member of the public loses out,would also teach the scammer a lesson.

[jshell]

Must be a decent fake as one of the subdials on cheap fakes tends to be a date wheel instead of chrono.... This has chrono!

[alanm_3]

Yeah, but does it work? It might look right, but it might not actually do anything!

There's just way too many things wrong with this!

[traffman]

I'm expert on Fakes , however that looks rather dodgy!

The quality is laughable , the steel looks too rounded with no definition to the stampings.

[Pugster]

What kind of retard bids on crap like this?

[Gazzab]

Greed is the motivator imho.

[Migx]

bid done...

[Adrian W]

If you click on the listing now its all a bit odd

[hilly10]

He as pulled it

[RichTT]

jshell said:

Must be a decent fake as one of the subdials on cheap fakes tends to be a date wheel instead of chrono.... This has chrono!

Not really true. You can't entirely tell if this has a chrono or not. Indications would say no. someone taking a picture of a running chronograph will likely not be running it for hours and hours on end, so normally the main seconds hand for the chrono will be running and it will have possibly registered a few minutes as well. Running it long enough to pick up an hours worth of running is unlikely.

This looks to me like a cheap 21j automatic fake. The subdials represent date/month/day even though the dial says otherwise and will be moved by the chrono pushers. The central seconds hand that we see running is the main seconds hand and nothing to do with the chronograph function at all.

More expensive versions will have clone 7750 movements of either the Zenith version (running seconds at 9) or the modern 116520 (and variations) with the running seconds at 6.

[uk_vette]

On many fake Rolex, the three sub dials are not spaced correctly.
By that I mean, the LHS dial is too close to the digit "9"
The RHS dial is too close to the "3" digit.
The etch at the bottom of the lass/quartz face is not clear.
The reverse of the watch has an engraving/etching on the fakes, but not on genuine's.
The fakes have a limited life span of the auto winder mechanism, which results in you needing to manually wind it.

vette

[XJSJohn]

hilly10 said:

I also concur with the above, sob story etc. Anybody buying a watch like that even a novice would hang on to the box

You would be amazed, here in Asia you get many genuine high end watches without papers, many just don't see any need in keeping them

[sneijder]

RichTT said:

More expensive versions will have clone 7750 movements of either the Zenith version (running seconds at 9) or the modern 116520 (and variations) with the running seconds at 6.

This, there's no reliable snide with a proper 9 o'clock subdial, they all have a modified movement to achieve this. In doing so they are completely unreliable. There's never been a decent fake, they seem to have given up a while back, despite the desireability of the model they attempt to emulate.

[RichTT]

sneijder said:

This, there's no reliable snide with a proper 9 o'clock subdial, they all have a modified movement to achieve this. In doing so they are completely unreliable. There's never been a decent fake, they seem to have given up a while back, despite the desireability of the model they attempt to emulate.

Actually it's the other way round. The Zenith versions are reliable and pretty bulletproof chronograph movements with the correct running seconds at 9 and a high beat rate (28,800 vph). You are correct in that there are not many still being produced.

The modern 116520 (and family) with running seconds at 6 require many extra gears to make this transfer of subdial functionality. This is done cheaply with no jeweling and they die very quickly or exhibit poor time keeping and reliability due to the extra strain put on the movement.

There is no copy of the current Rolex or Zenith based movements for the fakers to use in their watches. The problem being that the 7750 copy is much thicker than both genuine movements and so the fakes have to have a thicker caseback and case profile which is a big 'tell'. It also changes the slope of the bezel. Other major issues (quality, accuracy, sub-dial placement) aside these are two of the big reasons why you don't see many of them popping up for scam sales on eBay or the like.