"Men who buy expensive watches are stupid"

[RichB]

NDA said:

RichB said:

NDA said:

Mr Aston Martin said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24211691
A true high end watch worth every single penny. Prices starting at £95k for the economy version.

I was lucky enough to wear a George Daniels for an hour or so a few years back. They are the most incredible things....

Interesting story but given the first watches were made around a century ago and obviously larger timepieces long before that I find it hard to imagine this comment can be the case? "Daniels is claimed to be the first person in history to make every component of a watch from scratch and by hand." Surely the first watched must have been hand made because no one would have 'invented' (for want of a better word) the equipment to produce them by mechanisation. A case of what came first the chicken or the egg and in this case surely it must have been the watch?

I'm not sure I understand.

Daniels (who died in 2011) made every component of his watches personally. Unlike other makers who import cases (for example) or who have other workers making particular parts.

The article claims he was the first person ever to do this. Not the only current watchmaker doing this. I was simply questioning the validity of the claim. That's all.

p.s. probably not the best thread to discuss such exquisite watches

Edited by RichB on Friday 8th August 13:44

[BrabusMog]

Rocksteadyeddie said:

H22observer said:

okgo said:

H22observer said:

Binned? Good god, no.

Was that the thread where somebody insulted my 78 year old uncle who had built a 5-bed house from scratch and had been living in it for 15 years during the property boom?

If it was, I think i responded proportionately by calling him a "Yuppie wkstain".

Are you here to discuss the Telegraph article or to discuss a locked thread?

Nah you didn't. And yes, your uncle rode the boom, well bloody done, how impressive.

Edited by okgo on Friday 8th August 09:40

I don't think my uncle 'rode' anything. He built a nice house, he lived in it for 15 years, he has no plans to sell it.

You could do the same thing if you wanted to. What's stopping you from building a house from the ground up? Where is your ambition?

You obviously lack the skills to do so. Maybe you could retrain and learn how to actually build things? Possibly buy less consumer stuff and make some sacrifices?

I must say, it's rare to see a yuppie who is jealous of a working class old man. I guess envy can also affect middle-class people, who aren't financially doing quite as well as they'd hoped.

I have to confess I don't understand where you are coming from chap. You seem to revel in judging others, in casting wide-ranging aspersions on what someone 'has' says about their character, revelling in your self-assessed 'underdog' status, all topped off with a liberal helping of Schadenfreude and jealousy for good measure.

If you took a moment to step down from the moral high ground you might see that 'achievers', or people who have achieved wealth, are much like any other cross-section of society. Some are lovely, selfless, hard working, salt-of-the-earth types, others are synthetic, superficial, keeping-up-with-joneses types, and every other shade between those two poles.

Your blanket generalisations about how much people earn, or what watch they choose to own, or car they drive just makes you appear as if you have the most enormous chip on your shoulder,

Very well put.

[gaz1234]

H22observer said:

What is a Range Rover capable of that other cars are not capable of? I fear that top-end Range Rovers could be bought by a similar type of person, to the above. They're certainly not the fastest or best handling car in the £50000-£90000 price bracket.

I'll understand if you bought it for the Prestige, heritage, image, looks, status or exclusivity. Many people do. It's better to be honest with yourself though.

Now your just talking ollox

[Disastrous]

H22observer said:

Disastrous said:

H22, I'm curious:

1). Let's assume you're correct as you obviously think you are. What do you want to happen? Should the watch forum be closed down? Should people stop posting pictures? What would be a 'win' for you here?

2). At what point will you consider this thread 'done'? Just if people stop replying or would you keep going? Or would you move to another thread in the same forum?

As I say, genuine questions to try and ascertain what the plan is as this is seemingly going on and on.

There is no 'plan'

Suggesting that the watch forum should be closed down is ridiculous. What would that achieve?

I'm only responding to posts from people who hold a grudge (from other threads) and people who feel the need to insult me. Once the insults stop, this thread will fade into the background.

Are you planning on sticking around the watch forum, commenting negatively on things?

If not, and it's just this thread, maybe we could all just move it on either somewhere else or just close it completely as there's no ground being made here.

If everybody stopped responding you'd just be shouting in an empty room and would get bored quite quickly presumably?

I'd suggest you won't ever understand the people who want to buy expensive watches and they won't understand your lack of interest so pointless to discuss further.

[mikeveal]

H22observer said:

There is no 'plan'

Suggesting that the watch forum should be closed down is ridiculous. What would that achieve?

I'm only responding to posts from people who hold a grudge (from other threads) and people who feel the need to insult me. Once the insults stop, this thread will fade into the background.

So basically, you want must have the last word? I assume you're unaware how this make you look.

Always, always, always walk away from argument for arguments sake.

[Duke Thrust]

Disastrous said:

I'd suggest you won't ever understand the people who want to buy expensive watches and they won't understand your lack of interest so pointless to discuss further.

Yes, it's like going to a concert and announcing that you hate the band and have no idea why people are there... But not actually leaving yourself.

Spectrum.

[badgers_back]

H22observer said:

There is no 'plan'

Oh there is no rush you'll be gone from pistonheads sooner or later

There are 2 options:-

1) You'll piss someone off and get banned.

2) You'll realise your predictions are wrong and instead of admitting you were wrong you'll create another user and move to that one.

Hopefully you will learn something from whichever outcome it is.

Either way no more h22

[Mosdef]

H22observer said:

Disastrous said:

H22, I'm curious:

1). Let's assume you're correct as you obviously think you are. What do you want to happen? Should the watch forum be closed down? Should people stop posting pictures? What would be a 'win' for you here?

2). At what point will you consider this thread 'done'? Just if people stop replying or would you keep going? Or would you move to another thread in the same forum?

As I say, genuine questions to try and ascertain what the plan is as this is seemingly going on and on.

There is no 'plan'

Suggesting that the watch forum should be closed down is ridiculous. What would that achieve?

I'm only responding to posts from people who hold a grudge (from other threads) and people who feel the need to insult me. Once the insults stop, this thread will fade into the background.

Weren't you the one doing most of the insulting, calling people yuppies (young urban professionals), pricks etc?

[michael gould]

Duke Thrust said:

Disastrous said:

I'd suggest you won't ever understand the people who want to buy expensive watches and they won't understand your lack of interest so pointless to discuss further.

Yes, it's like going to a concert and announcing that you hate the band and have no idea why people are there... But not actually leaving yourself.

Spectrum.

nice analogy and on the money i would say...........you lot still at then ...........It's addictive aint it !!

[H22observer]

Mosdef said:

H22observer said:

Disastrous said:

H22, I'm curious:

1). Let's assume you're correct as you obviously think you are. What do you want to happen? Should the watch forum be closed down? Should people stop posting pictures? What would be a 'win' for you here?

2). At what point will you consider this thread 'done'? Just if people stop replying or would you keep going? Or would you move to another thread in the same forum?

As I say, genuine questions to try and ascertain what the plan is as this is seemingly going on and on.

There is no 'plan'

Suggesting that the watch forum should be closed down is ridiculous. What would that achieve?

I'm only responding to posts from people who hold a grudge (from other threads) and people who feel the need to insult me. Once the insults stop, this thread will fade into the background.

Weren't you the one doing most of the insulting, calling people yuppies (young urban professionals), pricks etc?

I'm sure these were proportionate responses to people insulting me, gloating, boasting about their 'success' and generally behaving in an obnoxious manner.

[Rocksteadyeddie]

H22observer said:

Mosdef said:

H22observer said:

Disastrous said:

H22, I'm curious:

1). Let's assume you're correct as you obviously think you are. What do you want to happen? Should the watch forum be closed down? Should people stop posting pictures? What would be a 'win' for you here?

2). At what point will you consider this thread 'done'? Just if people stop replying or would you keep going? Or would you move to another thread in the same forum?

As I say, genuine questions to try and ascertain what the plan is as this is seemingly going on and on.

There is no 'plan'

Suggesting that the watch forum should be closed down is ridiculous. What would that achieve?

I'm only responding to posts from people who hold a grudge (from other threads) and people who feel the need to insult me. Once the insults stop, this thread will fade into the background.

Weren't you the one doing most of the insulting, calling people yuppies (young urban professionals), pricks etc?

I'm sure these were proportionate responses to people insulting me, gloating, boasting about their 'success' and generally behaving in an obnoxious manner.

I'm sure they must have been. What other possible explanation could there be...??

[Mosdef]

michael gould said:

nice analogy and on the money i would say...........you lot still at then ...........It's addictive aint it !!

Addictive and entertaining!

[okgo]

H22observer said:

I'm sure these were proportionate responses to people insulting me, gloating, boasting about their 'success' and generally behaving in an obnoxious manner.

No, it wasn't. And really you should have been sanctioned, not sure why you weren't. Likely the mods felt sorry for you I guess.

[Charvet]

Why this discussion?

People spend a lot of money on many things. Cars, watches, fashion, travel, houses, education. Everyone for his or her own reason and motivation.

If I spend 5000 EUR on a Submariner, I will probably be able to enjoy it for life.
If I spend 5000 EUR on a painting, same.
If I spend 5000 EUR on an executive education seminar at a good business school, or on a pre-owned Hermes Kelly bag for my girlfriend, or on a bespoke suit, a top-of-the-range titanium mountain bike, a Meissen or Herend set, a nameless old master painting, a business class flight to New York or on a slightly tatty MX-5...

...SO BE IT.

[H22observer]

Disastrous said:

Are you planning on sticking around the watch forum, commenting negatively on things?

I have no intention of doing that. I don't visit the watch forum. However, i do visit the 'Pie & Piston' and click on topics that catch my eye. I don't usually bother checking which category topics are filed in, so i can't promise anything.

[H22observer]

okgo said:

H22observer said:

I'm sure these were proportionate responses to people insulting me, gloating, boasting about their 'success' and generally behaving in an obnoxious manner.

No, it wasn't. And really you should have been sanctioned, not sure why you weren't.

It looks like we're not going to agree on this.

I have no idea what you mean by the term 'Sanctioned' (i feel like a Russian oligarch now), but IF the mods felt it was appropriate to post ban me from the "Watches" forum for reasons involving peace, then i would have no problem with that judgement at all.

[Charvet]

Why this discussion?

People spend a lot of money on many things. Cars, watches, fashion, travel, houses, education. Everyone for his or her own reason and motivation.

If I spend 5000 EUR on a Submariner, I will probably be able to enjoy it for life.
If I spend 5000 EUR on a painting, same.
If I spend 5000 EUR on an executive education seminar at a good business school, or on a pre-owned Hermes Kelly bag for my girlfriend, or on a bespoke suit, a top-of-the-range titanium mountain bike, a Meissen or Herend set, a nameless old master painting, a business class flight to New York or on a slightly tatty MX-5...

...SO BE IT.

[mikeveal]

Charvet said:

Why this discussion?

People spend a lot of money on many things. Cars, watches, fashion, travel, houses, education. Everyone for his or her own reason and motivation.

If I spend 5000 EUR on a Submariner, I will probably be able to enjoy it for life.
If I spend 5000 EUR on a painting, same.
If I spend 5000 EUR on an executive education seminar at a good business school, or on a pre-owned Hermes Kelly bag for my girlfriend, or on a bespoke suit, a top-of-the-range titanium mountain bike, a Meissen or Herend set, a nameless old master painting, a business class flight to New York or on a slightly tatty MX-5...

...SO BE IT.

We get it.
H22 isn't saying anything new, so neither are you.

[Charvet]

I would like to end these ad-hominem insults and unnecessary discussion. And I don't care who started it.

Can we please move back to topic.

[anonymous-user]

michael gould said:

Duke Thrust said:

Disastrous said:

I'd suggest you won't ever understand the people who want to buy expensive watches and they won't understand your lack of interest so pointless to discuss further.

Yes, it's like going to a concert and announcing that you hate the band and have no idea why people are there... But not actually leaving yourself.

Spectrum.

nice analogy and on the money i would say...........you lot still at then ...........It's addictive aint it !!

Except that H22 has repeatedly made it clear he isn't ranting against people who buy watches or expensive watches, just people who by watches/stuff JUST to boast and show off.