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bobbybee said:
Emonda03 said:
clearly not a trinket if you actually care about your health it is most useful.
You can't really lead a healthy lifestyle if you need electronic gadgets to tell you that you are 'being' healthy.Then again maybe some do as they aren't as in tune with their body as they should be.
For me the Apple wrist device holds no interest and for me, doesn't add or enhance anything to me digital existence, so I'll not be getting one, for now at least.
Well I cycled last night on my wattbike for an hour and the HR readings were within 134 avg v 135 on the apple watch, again rowed 10k metres this morning and again compared to my HR belt saw 152 avg v 154, so pretty close really
Have garmin edge on my bikes, yes that's dedicated for that job..the watch is more of a step/distance thing etc.
As I mentioned previously have used Microsoft band & basis peak...apple watch is superior to both.Thought it did use the gps from the phone for distance & maps?
What sort of dedicated device are you saying one should use?...some numb plastic thing & walk round with a chest strap on?..no thanks.
You lot really just want to knock it...as I have said for me with my lifestyle it is a very useful device period
Have garmin edge on my bikes, yes that's dedicated for that job..the watch is more of a step/distance thing etc.
As I mentioned previously have used Microsoft band & basis peak...apple watch is superior to both.Thought it did use the gps from the phone for distance & maps?
What sort of dedicated device are you saying one should use?...some numb plastic thing & walk round with a chest strap on?..no thanks.
You lot really just want to knock it...as I have said for me with my lifestyle it is a very useful device period
Edited by Emonda03 on Wednesday 29th April 11:18
el stovey said:
As a fitness tracker it's not very good at all. Unreliable heart rate monitor, no GPS, not water proof, poor battery life. Anyone who "actually cares about your health" would be likely using a dedicated Garmin (other brands are available) device to track their activities.
Seriously? HRM has received glowing reviews, everyone knows it uses the phone for GPS, people are happy wearing them in showers without problems and battery life appears fine if charged every night.It would appear that Apple have put a lot of effort into producing a good fitness tracker. Early days of course and it will be interesting to see what every day users make of it, but I wish the "it's Apple so it's crap" narrative would take a back seat for a while.
Leithen said:
el stovey said:
As a fitness tracker it's not very good at all. Unreliable heart rate monitor, no GPS, not water proof, poor battery life. Anyone who "actually cares about your health" would be likely using a dedicated Garmin (other brands are available) device to track their activities.
Seriously? HRM has received glowing reviews, everyone knows it uses the phone for GPS, people are happy wearing them in showers without problems and battery life appears fine if charged every night.It would appear that Apple have put a lot of effort into producing a good fitness tracker. Early days of course and it will be interesting to see what every day users make of it, but I wish the "it's Apple so it's crap" narrative would take a back seat for a while.
Like the first iPads and iPhones that came without fwd facing cameras for FaceTime or GPS they're lacking many features that to me make this 1st generation product unfit as a decent fitness device.
el stovey said:
I love apple products, i'd really like one for fitness tracking and keep looking for excuses to buy one but it's much much worse than my Garmin 910 in every way apart from looks. The HRM has had many poor reviews. A serious fitness device that depends on you also having a phone for the GPS and you can't swim with or connect to any ant + devices, is quite frankly pants. You might as well be using your iPhone.
Like the first iPads and iPhones that came without fwd facing cameras for FaceTime or GPS they're lacking many features that to me make this 1st generation product unfit as a decent fitness device.
The Garmin 910 is a very focused device though isn't it? It's target market is probably a very dedicated and relatively small section of hardcore fitness fans.Like the first iPads and iPhones that came without fwd facing cameras for FaceTime or GPS they're lacking many features that to me make this 1st generation product unfit as a decent fitness device.
From the number of reviews out there, it would appear that the Apple watch is attempting to bring wrist heart rate monitoring and fitness tracking to a much wider audience in a device that is designed to do many other things. And it appears to work very well in most cases.
Ant+ is a very small market - which even the iPhone needs a dongle to connect to. So it's hardly surprising that the watch doesn't feature it.
Battery technology will improve in time - devices such as the Garmin 910 will benefit from this too. But for now, all wrist sized devices are limited by the small amount of power available.
Emonda03 said:
What a stupid thing to say 'just a trinket'...so far I have recorded all my activity over the last three days, rowing, walking, calories, cycling, resting heart beat...it is a great health aid,...clearly not a trinket if you actually care about your health it is most useful. Been walking, used it to answer couple of txts, check calendar appointments, pause my audio book etc etc etc...I have found it incredibly useful, also tells the time. I never quite understand why there is such an adverse reaction to such things, think they have done a great job on designing it...have had a Microsoft band & a basis peak for a while, totally blows them all away
trinket ???...clearly you don't lead an active or interesting life then if you cannot see any use for it or appreciate its possibilitys
Because it's not really needed is it? I think that's what naysayers (including myself), see.trinket ???...clearly you don't lead an active or interesting life then if you cannot see any use for it or appreciate its possibilitys
It's consumerism in it's purest form.
- Health-wise you can use a Fitbit flex for about £50. Want to measure your heart? Use your iPhone. It's very accurate.
- Need the time? Use your existing watch. It probably needs a power source every 2-3 years and my automatic technically never runs out.
- Voice control? Unless you want to look like Dick Tracey it's all a bit of a gimmick.
- Text message? Can you really reply on the Apple Watch? Once you realise you can't say most of the things you need to, you'll start pulling out your phone again and lo and behold, the watch is redundant.
- Reminders? My phone does that. Why do I need to wrist to vibrate also?
- Controlling audio? What's wrong with just using a cable control (comes as standard with your iPhone).
So far the only useful part is the ability to add voice control to my car while driving. I like that, but it's a little excessive for my liking.
Design-wise, it's brilliantly built. No doubt about that, but it's fugly! I know people will love it for what it is, and designers will applaud it also but taste is very personal. From my perspective, it's ugly and so is the steel bracelet and milanese loop. (Apparently people who don't know swathes about watches are barred from saying such things, but I'm a rebel and I stand firm on my thoughts. Looks very 70's and ugly).
The funny part is 80% of people who buy it are all sheep drawn in by the superb Apple marketing machine. They will show it off and it'll become useless after a few months. I reckon just 20% of consumers will actually use it properly.
Referring back to the previous poster. It's a beautifully designed trinket. Nothing more as it doesn't serve any real purpose.
What a total load of rubbish beanbag....Don't need a tv remote either, could just get up and walk to the tv to turn it over,dont need a car, could just get the bus everywhere..blah blah blah....I hate the phrase 'the sheep will follow blah blah blah'....that always reflects very badly on the person using the phrase, indicates you are such a leader & so much better than everyone else, very belittling indeed
Listen I have found the device very useful over the last few days ok, accept it , stop trying to find fault, its not for you we get it, fine, move on
Listen I have found the device very useful over the last few days ok, accept it , stop trying to find fault, its not for you we get it, fine, move on
Emonda03 said:
What a total load of rubbish beanbag....Don't need a tv remote either, could just get up and walk to the tv to turn it over,dont need a car, could just get the bus everywhere..blah blah blah....I hate the phrase 'the sheep will follow blah blah blah'....that always reflects very badly on the person using the phrase, indicates you are such a leader & so much better than everyone else, very belittling indeed
Listen I have found the device very useful over the last few days ok, accept it , stop trying to find fault, its not for you we get it, fine, move on
????????Listen I have found the device very useful over the last few days ok, accept it , stop trying to find fault, its not for you we get it, fine, move on
What sort of argument is that? Of course you need a TV remote, otherwise you have to get up and there are hundreds of functions on a remote that you can't access on a TV. There is a purpose to that. And of course you need a car. Buses don't go everywhere. That's just plain daft.
If you want to quote examples, at least make them relevant and good!
Anyway, surely finding faults in something is the key to making it better? If everyone were to only give praise, what would there be to improve?
For example, I would never have bought the first iPhone. While it was a marvel of technology and once again beautifully engineered, it was initially junk. GPRS, slow wifi, no apps and a crap camera, but it evolved over time to become something pretty amazing. I've had three to date and I'm looking forward to my fourth come October. Perhaps the Apple Watch will become that, but I'm very skeptical.
beanbag said:
Anyway, surely finding faults in something is the key to making it better? If everyone were to only give praise, what would there be to improve?
Using references to sheep isn't exactly constructive criticism is it.... 
beanbag said:
For example, I would never have bought the first iPhone. While it was a marvel of technology and once again beautifully engineered, it was initially junk. GPRS, slow wifi, no apps and a crap camera, but it evolved over time to become something pretty amazing. I've had three to date and I'm looking forward to my fourth come October. Perhaps the Apple Watch will become that, but I'm very skeptical.
And for you, that may have been an entirely rational choice. However, I owned an original iPhone (still have it in a drawer somewhere) and despite it's limitations it was a wonderful device.Why? Because as a Mac user, I could finally f
king sync my contacts onto my phone reliably..... I cannot tell you what a difference that made..... 
Leithen said:
beanbag said:
Anyway, surely finding faults in something is the key to making it better? If everyone were to only give praise, what would there be to improve?
Using references to sheep isn't exactly constructive criticism is it.... beanbag said:
For example, I would never have bought the first iPhone. While it was a marvel of technology and once again beautifully engineered, it was initially junk. GPRS, slow wifi, no apps and a crap camera, but it evolved over time to become something pretty amazing. I've had three to date and I'm looking forward to my fourth come October. Perhaps the Apple Watch will become that, but I'm very skeptical.
And for you, that may have been an entirely rational choice. However, I owned an original iPhone (still have it in a drawer somewhere) and despite it's limitations it was a wonderful device.Why? Because as a Mac user, I could finally f
king sync my contacts onto my phone reliably..... I cannot tell you what a difference that made..... 
And I totally get it if you don't agree with my points and love the Apple Watch. Like I said, it's very personal and I think it's one or two generations off from being a decent product.
I'm saying all this as a huge Mac fan too! An original iPod, iPod 3G, Shuffle, Nano, three iPhones, two iPads, three Macs, Apple TV's, Time Capsule, AP Express, peripherals, etc, etc.....I love what they do....apart from that damned watch.
beanbag said:
I give you that last point
And I totally get it if you don't agree with my points and love the Apple Watch. Like I said, it's very personal and I think it's one or two generations off from being a decent product.
I'm saying all this as a huge Mac fan too! An original iPod, iPod 3G, Shuffle, Nano, three iPhones, two iPads, three Macs, Apple TV's, Time Capsule, AP Express, peripherals, etc, etc.....I love what they do....apart from that damned watch.
I actually agree with many of them, however everyone's different and has a different set of needs/expectations loves/hates etc etc.And I totally get it if you don't agree with my points and love the Apple Watch. Like I said, it's very personal and I think it's one or two generations off from being a decent product.
I'm saying all this as a huge Mac fan too! An original iPod, iPod 3G, Shuffle, Nano, three iPhones, two iPads, three Macs, Apple TV's, Time Capsule, AP Express, peripherals, etc, etc.....I love what they do....apart from that damned watch.
My wife is very interested in a watch because as a ballet teacher it would give her back easy remote control of music. She happily used a MacBook connected to an external speaker with FrontRow on it and the small remote in her hand. And then Apple went and silently scrapped FrontRow....
I like the idea of it as I tend to leave my phone somewhere in the house and working from home inevitably miss calls and messages during the day - it's a bad habit I can't seem to kick.... But as you say, third generation will be a whole lot better. However I suspect there will be several years between versions.
Emonda03 said:
What a stupid thing to say 'just a trinket'...so far I have recorded all my activity over the last three days, rowing, walking, calories, cycling, resting heart beat...it is a great health aid,...clearly not a trinket if you actually care about your health it is most useful. Been walking, used it to answer couple of txts, check calendar appointments, pause my audio book etc etc etc...I have found it incredibly useful, also tells the time. I never quite understand why there is such an adverse reaction to such things, think they have done a great job on designing it...have had a Microsoft band & a basis peak for a while, totally blows them all away
trinket ???...clearly you don't lead an active or interesting life then if you cannot see any use for it or appreciate its possibilitys
look, everyone's different. I have a very active life, I just don't think measuring the stats really adds anything. All the health stats add up to nothing more than going "ooo sandra look i took 32458 steps today.... sandra? Sandra?" I'd sooner have a nice mechanical watch and a jawbone, if I did have an obsessive inclination to measure - the apple watch doesn't give us much new there. So, as always it's not about new things, it's about new packaging. trinket ???...clearly you don't lead an active or interesting life then if you cannot see any use for it or appreciate its possibilitys
I already said it looked perfectly nice, all the animations and everything. Just not convinced as to the longevity in the current state. I didn't see a killer app for it really, but it is only iteration 1. I don't carry a manbag, so everything I want to do I can do on the phone itself. Stopping and starting things, texting, checking calendar... just not really useful to me.
When I say I stick to my original assessment that it's a trinket, is that I mean Apple have done a very good job in convincing people they need it. So, I don't find it surprising that my comments met with defensiveness.
Incidentally, I like Apple stuff!!
Went to Apple Store to find out what all the fuss was about. What a crock. Seriously, anyone buying this is utterly disconnected from reality. Its a bag of s***. Doesn't do anything particularly well. Looks rubbish. Doesn't replace any other gadgets - phone, watch, fitness tracker. Rubbish apps. Rubbish size makes it more or less illegible unless you have the eyesight of Superman. Will soon be out of date when Gen 2, 3, N appear. It's just another way to drain £££ from pockets without the consumer actually getting any value add. The absolute best example of style over substance this side of a diamond encrusted Vertu phone - but even less useful.
subirg said:
Went to Apple Store to find out what all the fuss was about. What a crock. Seriously, anyone buying this is utterly disconnected from reality. Its a bag of s***. Doesn't do anything particularly well. Looks rubbish. Doesn't replace any other gadgets - phone, watch, fitness tracker. Rubbish apps. Rubbish size makes it more or less illegible unless you have the eyesight of Superman. Will soon be out of date when Gen 2, 3, N appear. It's just another way to drain £££ from pockets without the consumer actually getting any value add. The absolute best example of style over substance this side of a diamond encrusted Vertu phone - but even less useful.
I agree but I must have one subirg said:
Went to Apple Store to find out what all the fuss was about. What a crock. Seriously, anyone buying this is utterly disconnected from reality. Its a bag of s***. Doesn't do anything particularly well. Looks rubbish. Doesn't replace any other gadgets - phone, watch, fitness tracker. Rubbish apps. Rubbish size makes it more or less illegible unless you have the eyesight of Superman. Will soon be out of date when Gen 2, 3, N appear. It's just another way to drain £££ from pockets without the consumer actually getting any value add. The absolute best example of style over substance this side of a diamond encrusted Vertu phone - but even less useful.
Obviously you went in there with your mind made up - if you don't like it, don't get one - simple as that. An estimated 2-3 million sold, but clearly you're so much more informed and technically savvy so thanks for your opinion...Its interesting. When the iPad first came out I was incredibly cynical...its just a big iPhone? what's it for??
These days I use mine a great deal, especially with a bluetooth keyboard that is part of the carrying case. Far better than lugging a laptop around for note-taking, browsing, reviewing artwork, sending emails etc, plus it syncs perfectly with your phone apps - unlike a netbook.
Not to mention back when it came out I wasn't reading ebooks, using amazon prime everyday for little items, and other things that work better on a tablet than a phone.
These days I use mine a great deal, especially with a bluetooth keyboard that is part of the carrying case. Far better than lugging a laptop around for note-taking, browsing, reviewing artwork, sending emails etc, plus it syncs perfectly with your phone apps - unlike a netbook.
Not to mention back when it came out I wasn't reading ebooks, using amazon prime everyday for little items, and other things that work better on a tablet than a phone.
LotusMartin said:
Obviously you went in there with your mind made up - if you don't like it, don't get one - simple as that. An estimated 2-3 million sold, but clearly you're so much more informed and technically savvy so thanks for your opinion...
Your welcome.In all seriousness, I went in with quite the opposite opinion. I am wall to wall apple at home and at work. I think it's a great brand and I was utterly convinced the Apple Watch would be a winner for me. The fact that I was bitterly disappointed probably explains why my views above come across so negative. Sorry, but that's the way I see it.
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