Submariner accuracy
Discussion
Eleven said:
But then a casual observation is that you have a lot of watches and wear a different one daily. I can understand why someone who has one "good" watch, worn daily, wants it to perform well.
You are spot on with that, yes. I have taken to wearing the same watch for 2-3 days at a time, but never longer, so seconds per week isn't relevant to me.Read through this thread with a smile.
PJ S assertion that only Seiko are accurate. Literally nothing else could possibly be as accurate as a Seiko. Nothing. Argue with that, you've fallen into the Swiss trap.
A know-nothing claiming he won't be spending that money on a Rolex as it's not accurate enough, no siree-Bob.
An owner who's time is so precious his watch, within the specs it is sold with, wants quartz accuracy.
Classic PH watch forum stuff
/Phil, will save your number into my phone - missed calls were me on baby duty!!
PJ S assertion that only Seiko are accurate. Literally nothing else could possibly be as accurate as a Seiko. Nothing. Argue with that, you've fallen into the Swiss trap.
A know-nothing claiming he won't be spending that money on a Rolex as it's not accurate enough, no siree-Bob.
An owner who's time is so precious his watch, within the specs it is sold with, wants quartz accuracy.
Classic PH watch forum stuff
/Phil, will save your number into my phone - missed calls were me on baby duty!!
yeti said:
Read through this thread with a smile.
PJ S assertion that only Seiko are accurate. Literally nothing else could possibly be as accurate as a Seiko. Nothing. Argue with that, you've fallen into the Swiss trap.
A know-nothing claiming he won't be spending that money on a Rolex as it's not accurate enough, no siree-Bob.
An owner who's time is so precious his watch, within the specs it is sold with, wants quartz accuracy.
Classic PH watch forum stuff
/Phil, will save your number into my phone - missed calls were me on baby duty!!
Agreed, but at least it's better than TZ. PJ S assertion that only Seiko are accurate. Literally nothing else could possibly be as accurate as a Seiko. Nothing. Argue with that, you've fallen into the Swiss trap.
A know-nothing claiming he won't be spending that money on a Rolex as it's not accurate enough, no siree-Bob.
An owner who's time is so precious his watch, within the specs it is sold with, wants quartz accuracy.
Classic PH watch forum stuff
/Phil, will save your number into my phone - missed calls were me on baby duty!!
Quick update - accuracy seems to be improving a little - I last reset the Sub sometime during this thread (estimate 26 - 28 Jan)
I've just reset it again today as it was 30 seconds slow - not bad for around three weeks (only been off my wrist when taking a shower - can't get out of the habit....)
So - down to about 1.5 seconds a day, which I'm more than comfortable with
I've just reset it again today as it was 30 seconds slow - not bad for around three weeks (only been off my wrist when taking a shower - can't get out of the habit....)
So - down to about 1.5 seconds a day, which I'm more than comfortable with
Nigel_O said:
Quick update - accuracy seems to be improving a little - I last reset the Sub sometime during this thread (estimate 26 - 28 Jan)
I've just reset it again today as it was 30 seconds slow - not bad for around three weeks (only been off my wrist when taking a shower - can't get out of the habit....)
So - down to about 1.5 seconds a day, which I'm more than comfortable with
Good news, now if you have 6 minutes and 45 seconds to spareI've just reset it again today as it was 30 seconds slow - not bad for around three weeks (only been off my wrist when taking a shower - can't get out of the habit....)
So - down to about 1.5 seconds a day, which I'm more than comfortable with
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Nigel_O said:
Quick update - accuracy seems to be improving a little - I last reset the Sub sometime during this thread (estimate 26 - 28 Jan)
I've just reset it again today as it was 30 seconds slow - not bad for around three weeks (only been off my wrist when taking a shower - can't get out of the habit....)
So - down to about 1.5 seconds a day, which I'm more than comfortable with
Very wise not to wear it in the shower - you never know what damage you'll do to it.I've just reset it again today as it was 30 seconds slow - not bad for around three weeks (only been off my wrist when taking a shower - can't get out of the habit....)
So - down to about 1.5 seconds a day, which I'm more than comfortable with
My Sub loses 1.5 seconds per day too.
bobbybee said:
The shower 'thing' isn't as daft as it sounds, as soap products can have a detrimental effect on rubber / silicone seals over time
Also, showers tend to produce a lot of steam / vapour and all those freely moving individual water molecules are far better at getting through small seal imperfections than when they're all tied together in liquid formyeti said:
PJ S assertion that only Seiko are accurate. Literally nothing else could possibly be as accurate as a Seiko. Nothing. Argue with that, you've fallen into the Swiss trap.
He said that if the OP was concerned about accuracy he would have bought a Grand Seiko, I didn't see him say that Seiko was the only choice?Anyway, I bring it up because I was under the impression that the Spring Drive was the most accurate battery-less movement you can buy. Is this not the case?
It's a genuine question, my interest in watches is pretty recent and from your posts on this forum it's clear you know a lot more about them than I do!
Variomatic said:
Also, showers tend to produce a lot of steam / vapour and all those freely moving individual water molecules are far better at getting through small seal imperfections than when they're all tied together in liquid form
Daft, isn't it, that I've been placing my £60 non-water-resistant Seiko on the bathroom window ledge for the last twenty years when showering, often coming back to it with a thin film of condensation on the crystal, case and bracelet. Now that I have a watch that purports to be 1,000ft waterproof, I put it in a clean sock to keep it safe.....Having said that, I agree with the above about soaps and shampoos - my chosen hair-care product specifically mentions that it might stain some stainless steel products....
Perhaps I should put the Sub away in its box for twenty years, just to be extra-safe.....
bobbybee said:
Eleven said:
Very wise not to wear it in the shower - you never know what damage you'll do to it.
My Sub loses 1.5 seconds per day too.
The shower 'thing' isn't as daft as it sounds, as soap products can have a detrimental effect on rubber / silicone seals over time My Sub loses 1.5 seconds per day too.
I did however manage to bollix up a Cartier Tank Francaise by wearing it in a series of steam room / sauna / salt bath / spa things within the space of an hour. With the back off it, it looked like something fetched off the Titanic. Cartier, bless their cotton socks, sorted it out for the price of a service.
I would add that when I am wearing my watches in the shower it's usually at the gym, where the risk of theft is greater than the risk of water damage.
Nigel_O said:
Daft, isn't it, that I've been placing my £60 non-water-resistant Seiko on the bathroom window ledge for the last twenty years when showering, often coming back to it with a thin film of condensation on the crystal, case and bracelet. Now that I have a watch that purports to be 1,000ft waterproof, I put it in a clean sock to keep it safe.....
That's totally understandable and probably because you're more worried by the possibility of damage as the cost of repair increases 
The thing is, any reasonably water resistant watch will probably be fine whether caught in the rain, showering, swimming, snorkelling, or even scuba diving.
But "probably" isn't the same as "will be", and hot steam is far more likely to get past seals if there's a fault than liquid water is. That's not saying it will happen (it probably won't) but a Rolex movement with rust is a very expensive thing to get repaired!
RicksAlfas said:
Here's a question - when you are not wearing your automatic watch, does it matter if you place it face down, resting on the crown, not resting on the crown, etc??
In the case of the Sub, or any watch with a screw-down crown, I'd be amazed if any damage could be caused. However, if I ever get round to taking mine off for more than a ten-minute shower, it'll be bracelet-down / face up, just to minimise possible scratches to the case & crystal (which I'd suspect is also a pretty remote possibility)I've had a Submariner since 1977 which has probably been accurate to 2 about seconds per day over the years. It tends to gain in colder weather and loose a little when it's hot. However, these inaccuracies can be reduced by laying it flat overnight to gain slightly, or standing up to make it lose a little more.
It has also been on my wrist for about 8000 hours of helicopter flying, about 700 hours of scuba diving and has frequently been worn in showers. The only problems have been with wear on the bracelet, and some bits have been replaced.
An absolutely great watch, which cost about £140 from the China Fleet Club in Hong Kong. (and it's genuine! - been back to Rolex for servicing every decade or so!)
It has also been on my wrist for about 8000 hours of helicopter flying, about 700 hours of scuba diving and has frequently been worn in showers. The only problems have been with wear on the bracelet, and some bits have been replaced.
An absolutely great watch, which cost about £140 from the China Fleet Club in Hong Kong. (and it's genuine! - been back to Rolex for servicing every decade or so!)
Nigel_O said:
RicksAlfas said:
Here's a question - when you are not wearing your automatic watch, does it matter if you place it face down, resting on the crown, not resting on the crown, etc??
In the case of the Sub, or any watch with a screw-down crown, I'd be amazed if any damage could be caused. However, if I ever get round to taking mine off for more than a ten-minute shower, it'll be bracelet-down / face up, just to minimise possible scratches to the case & crystal (which I'd suspect is also a pretty remote possibility)A pal of mine is convinced his Explorer gains if he leaves it one way, and loses the other!
RicksAlfas said:
Nigel_O said:
RicksAlfas said:
Here's a question - when you are not wearing your automatic watch, does it matter if you place it face down, resting on the crown, not resting on the crown, etc??
In the case of the Sub, or any watch with a screw-down crown, I'd be amazed if any damage could be caused. However, if I ever get round to taking mine off for more than a ten-minute shower, it'll be bracelet-down / face up, just to minimise possible scratches to the case & crystal (which I'd suspect is also a pretty remote possibility)A pal of mine is convinced his Explorer gains if he leaves it one way, and loses the other!
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