Rolex 5513

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nikaiyo2

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195 months

Monday 13th April 2015
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What do the collective experts think of this 1966 5513 Sub?

The dial is a service dial i think, but does it ring any other warning bells? it is head only for #3995

hungry_hog

2,226 posts

188 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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The text looks like a 5513, but the hour markers look like a 14060 / 14060M. 5513 never had white gold on the markers...


ed335d

380 posts

176 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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Should look more like this ('66 too)


saxxeblt

87 posts

206 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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hungry_hog said:
The text looks like a 5513, but the hour markers look like a 14060 / 14060M. 5513 never had white gold on the markers...
The last of the 5513's did have white gold around the markers, not sure of when though but certainly up until the 14060 was introduced.
HTH

nikaiyo2

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195 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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ed335d said:
Should look more like this ('66 too)

Were they all meters 1st in 66? The guys selling it won't confirm it is a service dial, in fact has not answered my email... And it's from a dealer with a bricks and mortar shop! I don't know there is just something about it that sets off my warning bells! I am not a Rolex expert by any stretch, I have only dipped my toes into air king territory.

Vipers

32,866 posts

228 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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The dial is standard, nothing odd about it. Not that you mentioned military watch, but if it is, easy to tell, the strap pins are part and parcel of the body and not clip in, as far as I know. Called Milsub.


http://www.hqmilton.com/watches/1966-rolex-submari...

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Edited by Vipers on Tuesday 14th April 19:53

hungry_hog

2,226 posts

188 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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saxxeblt said:
The last of the 5513's did have white gold around the markers, not sure of when though but certainly up until the 14060 was introduced.
HTH
I stand corrected! Didn't realise they made the 5513 until late 80s

Vipers

32,866 posts

228 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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hungry_hog said:
The text looks like a 5513, but the hour markers look like a 14060 / 14060M. 5513 never had white gold on the markers...
Please explain, what does the white gold refer to?




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RobinBanks

17,540 posts

179 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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Vipers said:
Please explain, what does the white gold refer to?




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The metal ring around the luminous markers.

nikaiyo2

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Tuesday 14th April 2015
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Vipers said:
Please explain, what does the white gold refer to?




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If you look at my OP photo the hour markers (they prob have a special name, but i dont know it lol) are edged in white gold. The 60's sub you linked to and ED335d's dont have the white gold round them.
I dont think they got the WG rim till the late 70's or even early 80's as Hungry Hog says, but i dont think models/ parts were controlled back then in quite the same way as they are now, vintage Omegas can have cases/ dials/ movements made many years apart and be genuine factory built watches.

A genuine Milsub would be £100K+? So that is one of the few things about that watch I am certain of cool

Edited by nikaiyo2 on Tuesday 14th April 22:19

Vipers

32,866 posts

228 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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My pals website, he has a couple of milsub soon there from memory.

http://diving-watch.org/MY-COLLECTION-OF-DIVING-RO...

Some guy inherited one from his father a couple of years ago in Edinburgh, took it to the Rolex dealer to have the fixed rstrap pins replaced with removable ones. Having no idea what a milsub was worth.

The dealer recognised it as a milsub, went to auction and the punter made a lot of dosh.

Pity I didn't loose my one when I was in the navy.



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endo

244 posts

181 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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nikaiyo2 said:
What do the collective experts think of this 1966 5513 Sub?

The dial is a service dial i think, but does it ring any other warning bells? it is head only for #3995[url]
Service dial,
Service hands, (white and matching the dial)
Service Bezel Insert (going by the font, and very white lume pip)
Bracelet will run around £500+ for a good period correct 9315

I'd say that's pretty pricey for just the head.




Lol, but if that's the current going rate does make me wonder what i'd get for mine.

saxxeblt

87 posts

206 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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Some great information and photos on the 5513 here:-

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=33818...
And here:-
http://www.5513mattedial.com/About.html

ds666

2,631 posts

179 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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saxxeblt said:
Some great information and photos on the 5513 here:-

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=33818...
And here:-
http://www.5513mattedial.com/About.html
From my research 5513's are a bit of a minefield . I have a 1965 5513 m first with a matte dial as per ed335d's picture .
There is a picture on the rolex forum as above showing a 1.2 m serial number (c 1964/65 ) with a non-gold lettered m first matte dial.
I imagine at some stage the watches were probably produced with a mixture of old and new dials at the same time as old/new stock changed ?

yeti

10,523 posts

275 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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endo said:
Service dial,
Service hands, (white and matching the dial)
Service Bezel Insert (going by the font, and very white lume pip)
And that basically sums it up. All correct service RSC parts by the look of them, but not an original watch by any means.

A completely original one, on a correct bracelet with some or all the paperwork can be had for £5k. Save the extra.

Why are people mentioning MilSubs?

ds666

2,631 posts

179 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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I think the military link is from the "service " dial o/p comment being misread ...

Vipers

32,866 posts

228 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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yeti said:
Why are people mentioning MilSubs?
I did because the OP mentioned "Service dial", which I read as service as in military, and when I hear military Rolex's I think Milsubs.

And if it was, it would be worth a fortune.





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nikaiyo2

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4,707 posts

195 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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Thanks for all the input guys, it sort of confirms my feelings, that it's is a legit watch but quite away off being original, tbh I am looking for a watch to use. Obviously not for doing the gardening but it's not going to be a safe queen, but that to me lacks the charm of a 5513...
I would rather have originality over condition, would £5k get a Maxi dial from a dealer?

Vipers

32,866 posts

228 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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nikaiyo2 said:
Thanks for all the input guys, it sort of confirms my feelings, that it's is a legit watch but quite away off being original, tbh I am looking for a watch to use. Obviously not for doing the gardening but it's not going to be a safe queen, but that to me lacks the charm of a 5513...
I would rather have originality over condition, would £5k get a Maxi dial from a dealer?
Then use it, have worn my Sea Dweller daily for the past 37 years or so.




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aeropilot

34,518 posts

227 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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nikaiyo2 said:
I would rather have originality over condition, would £5k get a Maxi dial from a dealer?
Maybe - just might get an original condition with no box or papers maxi dial for £5k, but I've not seen one like that for the length of time I've been looking.
Full set, maxi dial 5513 in dealers are now around the £7k mark when sensibly priced. I missed out on a nice one late last year. I have seen non-boxed ones in certain London vintage dealers up for considerably more than that laugh