Tag Heuer...... Hear me out

Tag Heuer...... Hear me out

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h0b0

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7,559 posts

195 months

Tuesday 23rd June 2015
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I have the option to buy a carrera 1887 for $2300. I know there is a lot of disdain for Tag but it seems too good to be true. Would I get my money back 12 months later?

longblackcoat

5,047 posts

182 months

Tuesday 23rd June 2015
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h0b0 said:
I have the option to buy a carrera 1887 for $2300. I know there is a lot of disdain for Tag but it seems too good to be true. Would I get my money back 12 months later?
After a year's wear? It's possible that you might, I suppose, but I've seen unworn pre-owned 2015 ones from £1700, so it all comes down to the model and how well you'd look after it.

Personally, I'd not bother. Spend the same on a vintage Heuer (3647s, something like that) and you'll,be able to resell in a year or so without a problem plus you'll have had an absolute classic on your wrist.



h0b0

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7,559 posts

195 months

Wednesday 24th June 2015
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Sounds like the "in house movement" suffers from the same negative perception as their other watches. The trouble is that I like the design so I'm probably going to get one anyway.

longblackcoat

5,047 posts

182 months

Wednesday 24th June 2015
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h0b0 said:
Sounds like the "in house movement" suffers from the same negative perception as their other watches. The trouble is that I like the design so I'm probably going to get one anyway.
The key is that you get something you like. If it's worth anything further down the line, so much the better, but if you really like it and are going to keep it, the secondhand value is irrelevant. Different if you're a serial flipper, obviously.

I'm umm-ing and ahh-ing over a watch at the moment. I love the design, and would use it frequently, as I do with almost all of my watches. Thing is, it's the sort of brand that just doesn't get used as a daily, so the likelihood is that I'd quite significantly diminish the value just by wearing it. The sorts of people who buy these ask questions like "what sort of shirt is the worst for swirl markings?" which makes me feel faintly ill. As I'll not buy a watch to keep in a cabinet and never wear, I've decided to ignore the secondhand value and work on the basis of 100% depreciation on Day 1, then figure out if I can justify the cost to myself.

I suggest you look at your potential purchase on that sort of basis - if you like it and can afford it, get it!

h0b0

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7,559 posts

195 months

Wednesday 24th June 2015
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I have been procrastinating on this purchase for 10 years. I was originally going to buy the calibre 16 version for around $2k but Tag had a huge price increase and so I walked away. More recently I was looking at IWC which crept up to JLC, because of the movement being in house, and then I lost my bottle again. But, now the 1887 has come available from an authorized dealer at a very good price I think this is where my money will end up.

I like the grey faced dial. Does that make me better or worse? In the end it does not matter as wearing a Tag will be the least of my "fashion" failings. I have Ralph Lauren polo shirts because I like the way they fit and the quality of the finish and do not care about he perception of them. I only ask about the Tag movement because I am an engineer and want something that has some foundation of quality even if the brand perception is poor



Miguel Alvarez

4,944 posts

169 months

Wednesday 24th June 2015
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I like the Carerra's I think they're a nice looking watch. I had one for a couple years.

PJ S

10,842 posts

226 months

Wednesday 24th June 2015
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h0b0 said:
I only ask about the Tag movement because I am an engineer and want something that has some foundation of quality even if the brand perception is poor.
http://global.rakuten.com/en/search/?sm=2&h=3&...

The TAG movement is an old Seiko one that they bought the rights to reproduce, and which they have done a great job in Swissing it up.
The link is the current range of chronos Seiko do, under the Brightz line, and the most recent models have a newer version of the movement Seiko replaced the one they let TAG have the blueprints for. In it, they have added two further column wheels for the chronograph sub dials, resulting in smooth hand sweeping.
No-one else, to my knowledge, has done this.

The Ananta line has quietly passed, with the chronos being moved into the more mechanised production of the Brightz – Ananta used to be made in one of the studios as the Grand Seikos, which means hand assembly, etc.

http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.php?325366-The-(...

Insidious

45 posts

105 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Don't listen to tag haters, mine is as good as a omega, longines, oris

GC8

19,910 posts

189 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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No it isn't, and I say that as a member who regularly defends TAG Heuer against unjust or unknowledgeable criticism.

mikeveal

4,559 posts

249 months

Monday 29th June 2015
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I don't think anyone here is a TAG hater and that includes Monsignor Gould.

When people ask if they should buy TAG, they invariably get the same response: TAGs are overpriced, therefore you can get a better quality of watch for the same money if you buy elsewhere.

That said, no premium watch represents value for money, when a £10 Casio will be more accurate, more rugged and require less servicing.

Pound for pound TAGs are not as good as Omega, Longines, Oris etc. That does not make them bad watches, just means that you could do better for your money.

If there's a TAG that you really like and nothing in the Omega, Longines, Oris etc. line up that tickles your fancy, you'd be mad to buy anything other than the TAG. On the other hand, if you're buying a TAG purely because you perceive you're buying a haute horology brand, you're stark raving bonkers.

Its not TAG hating, its knowing enough to recognise that TAG doesn't stack up well against similarly priced competitors.

[i]
ETA:
Just seen this in another thread:
michael gould said:
I hate TAG watches (because they are unreliable and look like poo) and I wouldn't be seen dead in a 911(because it would confirm that I'm a knob, which I obviously am) .......however there is a difference .....TAG's (mostly) have the beating heart of a crappy $40 movement were as 911"s have half decent engines......... unless you purchased a 996 then you have a high chance of the engine blowing up.......Rolex make great reliable movements and watches that hold their value well.....but they do sell more than 1m / year which is a bit off putting
Hands up, my mistake, MG is a TAG hater.[/i]


Edited by mikeveal on Monday 29th June 09:17

michael gould

5,691 posts

240 months

Monday 29th June 2015
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mikeveal said:
I don't think anyone here is a TAG hater and that includes Monsignor Gould.

When people ask if they should buy TAG, they invariably get the same response: TAGs are overpriced, therefore you can get a better quality of watch for the same money if you buy elsewhere.

That said, no premium watch represents value for money, when a £10 Casio will be more accurate, more rugged and require less servicing.

Pound for pound TAGs are not as good as Omega, Longines, Oris etc. That does not make them bad watches, just means that you could do better for your money.

If there's a TAG that you really like and nothing in the Omega, Longines, Oris etc. line up that tickles your fancy, you'd be mad to buy anything other than the TAG. On the other hand, if you're buying a TAG purely because you perceive you're buying a haute horology brand, you're stark raving bonkers.

Its not TAG hating, its knowing enough to recognise that TAG doesn't stack up well against similarly priced competitors.

[i]
ETA:
Just seen this in another thread:
michael gould said:
I hate TAG watches (because they are unreliable and look like poo) and I wouldn't be seen dead in a 911(because it would confirm that I'm a knob, which I obviously am) .......however there is a difference .....TAG's (mostly) have the beating heart of a crappy $40 movement were as 911"s have half decent engines......... unless you purchased a 996 then you have a high chance of the engine blowing up.......Rolex make great reliable movements and watches that hold their value well.....but they do sell more than 1m / year which is a bit off putting
Hands up, my mistake, MG is a TAG hater.[/i]


Edited by mikeveal on Monday 29th June 09:17
i am of modern TAGS because they are selling (successfully ) £150 watches for £1500 and idiots still pay it ! ........but I think some of the older Tag Heuer are OK and worth their hype ........each to their own smile

bobbybee

872 posts

153 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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michael gould said:
Rolex make great reliable movements and watches that hold their value well.....but they do sell more than 1m / year which is a bit off putting

Rolex sell more than they produce?
Now that's a winning business model.
Highest assumed production was 800,000 as that was the number COSC certified in one year, over the last few years they have been cutting back on production

However I do agree with the TAG comments, some quality even exceptional models have been made in the past, but the majority these days are tat, high priced tat, but still tat

michael gould

5,691 posts

240 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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bobbybee said:
michael gould said:
Rolex make great reliable movements and watches that hold their value well.....but they do sell more than 1m / year which is a bit off putting

Rolex sell more than they produce?
Now that's a winning business model.
Highest assumed production was 800,000 as that was the number COSC certified in one year, over the last few years they have been cutting back on production

However I do agree with the TAG comments, some quality even exceptional models have been made in the past, but the majority these days are tat, high priced tat, but still tat
I hear from a reliable source that in 2011 it was over 1 million but perhaps its less than that now......which ever way you look at it 800,000 per year is still a lot of "exclusive" watches

PJ S

10,842 posts

226 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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Not every Rolex goes for COSC certification – but yes, they effectively admitted they produced too many, so would be reducing output. The only thing is, we've no idea what model(s) they made too many of and are cutting back on (not necessarily the same).

bobbybee

872 posts

153 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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PJ S said:
Not every Rolex goes for COSC certification – but yes, they effectively admitted they produced too many, so would be reducing output. The only thing is, we've no idea what model(s) they made too many of and are cutting back on (not necessarily the same).
I think you'll find the current models are all COSC

GC8

19,910 posts

189 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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All Cellinis too?

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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Cellinis have changed to the regular movement haven't they? (Ie not wind up anymore).

h0b0

Original Poster:

7,559 posts

195 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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I missed out on the $2300 price as it was based on an apparent mistake on a reputable web site. The best price I can get it now is $3k. At this price then I agree with those that say it is over priced

bobbybee

872 posts

153 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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GC8 said:
All Cellinis too?
Yes
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Cellinis have changed to the regular movement haven't they? (Ie not wind up anymore).
The Cellini Prince is still manual wind but it is COSC certified



superkartracer

8,959 posts

221 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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michael gould said:
mikeveal said:
I don't think anyone here is a TAG hater and that includes Monsignor Gould.

When people ask if they should buy TAG, they invariably get the same response: TAGs are overpriced, therefore you can get a better quality of watch for the same money if you buy elsewhere.

That said, no premium watch represents value for money, when a £10 Casio will be more accurate, more rugged and require less servicing.

Pound for pound TAGs are not as good as Omega, Longines, Oris etc. That does not make them bad watches, just means that you could do better for your money.

If there's a TAG that you really like and nothing in the Omega, Longines, Oris etc. line up that tickles your fancy, you'd be mad to buy anything other than the TAG. On the other hand, if you're buying a TAG purely because you perceive you're buying a haute horology brand, you're stark raving bonkers.

Its not TAG hating, its knowing enough to recognise that TAG doesn't stack up well against similarly priced competitors.

[i]
ETA:
Just seen this in another thread:
michael gould said:
I hate TAG watches (because they are unreliable and look like poo) and I wouldn't be seen dead in a 911(because it would confirm that I'm a knob, which I obviously am) .......however there is a difference .....TAG's (mostly) have the beating heart of a crappy $40 movement were as 911"s have half decent engines......... unless you purchased a 996 then you have a high chance of the engine blowing up.......Rolex make great reliable movements and watches that hold their value well.....but they do sell more than 1m / year which is a bit off putting
Hands up, my mistake, MG is a TAG hater.[/i]


Edited by mikeveal on Monday 29th June 09:17
i am of modern TAGS because they are selling (successfully ) £150 watches for £1500 and idiots still pay it ! ........but I think some of the older Tag Heuer are OK and worth their hype ........each to their own smile
Yet you spent 11k on a diamond ring, diamonds are worthless tat... idiots you say rofl