New Oris Williams F1 Chronograph

New Oris Williams F1 Chronograph

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Speed Badger

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2,667 posts

116 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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Hi all, just after some opinions of this watch, it's the headlining piece of the new Oris Williams F1 Collection due for launch in July.

I've always hankered after Oris, but could never bring myself to part with a decent amount of £££ for a brand no-one had heard of. But nowadays in my old age I just think, dammit I'm going to get watches I like and appreciate, rather than what's cool or fashionable, or a 'name.'

I really like this new Williams collection, it's very smart but not too in your face with F1 branding all over the place making it look childish, what does everyone else think?

http://www.jurawatches.co.uk/collections/oris-watc...

sad61t

1,100 posts

209 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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Cleanly designed dial and tachometer bezel without overt branding, and I'm sure the case will be up to Oris's usual standards. However the 44mm case is too big (and deep) for my wrists and the movement looks undersize for the case; plus it's a bit plain (off-the-shelf?) apart from their trademark red rotor.

ETA: The day-date in a mid-size (37mm case)... but then I'd most likely go for their Artix GT with 15% off:
http://www.jurawatches.co.uk/collections/oris-watc...

Edited by sad61t on Tuesday 30th June 13:56

Dempsey1971

383 posts

169 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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sad61t said:
Cleanly designed dial and tachometer bezel without overt branding, and I'm sure the case will be up to Oris's usual standards. However the 44mm case is too big (and deep) for my wrists and the movement looks undersize for the case; plus it's a bit plain (off-the-shelf?) apart from their trademark red rotor.

ETA: The day-date in a mid-size (37mm case)... but then I'd most likely go for their Artix GT with 15% off:
http://www.jurawatches.co.uk/collections/oris-watc...

Edited by sad61t on Tuesday 30th June 13:56
I think the movement is bigger than that, but the display back is sized to the rotor.

eccles

13,721 posts

221 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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Speed Badger said:
Hi all, just after some opinions of this watch, it's the headlining piece of the new Oris Williams F1 Collection due for launch in July.

I've always hankered after Oris, but could never bring myself to part with a decent amount of £££ for a brand no-one had heard of. But nowadays in my old age I just think, dammit I'm going to get watches I like and appreciate, rather than what's cool or fashionable, or a 'name.'

I really like this new Williams collection, it's very smart but not too in your face with F1 branding all over the place making it look childish, what does everyone else think?

http://www.jurawatches.co.uk/collections/oris-watc...
A brand no one has heard of? Sheesh! laugh

Speed Badger

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2,667 posts

116 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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I mean, people that aren't up on their watches - mostly my mum & my other half! They know Rolex, Omega, Tag Heuer, Seiko etc, but mention Oris and I get blank looks, then even blanker looks when I say circa. £1500 - odd when asked how much they are.

I like the designs, the quality and value for money in terms of quality per pound in comparison with some of Oris' better-known swiss counterparts.

Plus I really like the fact they are still independent.

Craikeybaby

10,369 posts

224 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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I like the look of it, but it would be too big for me. I bought an Oris (BC3 Advance) a few years back, and I'm still really pleased with it.

Slagathore

5,808 posts

191 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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Looks really, really good.

Very clean looking for a chrono.

I would be looking at a dealer in Europe, though, as a quick look on Chrono24 shows one on bracelet for £1539.


michael gould

5,691 posts

240 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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too big and too thick ...........dial is ok if a bit fussy ........good way to drop a £1000 in 12 months

chris56

556 posts

178 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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I have one Oris watch - which is okish but is no match for quality when compared to other brands like Tudor, Omega. Oris tend to produce lots of special editions by tying up with various companies/institutions etc. They have done this a lot with Williams. None of this helps with residuals which are TAG Heuer like i.e. you lose 50% as soon as you walk out of the shop.
In summary, I would concur with the opinion of our resident Tag Heuer specialist biggrin - Mr Gould. The watch is too big, the dial is somewhat clichéd and you will lose £1000 in 12 months.

GC8

19,910 posts

189 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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Slagathore said:
Looks really, really good.

Very clean looking for a chrono.

I would be looking at a dealer in Europe, though, as a quick look on Chrono24 shows one on bracelet for £1539.
Yes - Jura were bought by a small jewellers in Ashbourne (Sellars)and they are terrible.

stavers

251 posts

145 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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Personally I prefer Hamilton watches

Something like this:
http://shop.hamiltonwatch.com/american-classic-jaz...

eccles

13,721 posts

221 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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chris56 said:
I have one Oris watch - which is okish but is no match for quality when compared to other brands like Tudor, Omega.
Why would they be same quality as a much more expensive watch? confused

johnfm

13,668 posts

249 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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Horses for courses isn't it. I think Oris is a much better proposition precisely because it isn't Omega or Tag. More interesting designs and no Quartz watches. They've been making watches for around 110 years too. Now making their own movement too.

If you like it, but it. Why give a fvck whether your mum has heard of it?

chris56

556 posts

178 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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eccles said:
Why would they be same quality as a much more expensive watch? confused
This Oris is £2000 - you can get a Tudor watch for £2000 e.g. Black Bay or an Omega for £2000 e.g. Aqua Terra so it is a perfectly valid comparison

eccles

13,721 posts

221 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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chris56 said:
eccles said:
Why would they be same quality as a much more expensive watch? confused
This Oris is £2000 - you can get a Tudor watch for £2000 e.g. Black Bay or an Omega for £2000 e.g. Aqua Terra so it is a perfectly valid comparison
Is it? Are we comparing like for like?
One is an automatic chronograph, the others are diver type watches (much simpler!)
The whole Oris brand is aimed lower down the market, so the price and perceived quality will be lower.

GC8

19,910 posts

189 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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In my experience (several Oris watches), I have not found the quality to be anything like as different or low as some people are suggesting.

I have Rolex and Omega watches which do not appear to be markedly superior. Lets not all turn into MG-type pundits, with a bit of money but little real knowledge or experience (who appear to only value watches which do not lose their value - every watch I buy I can afford to live without).

stavers

251 posts

145 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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GC8 said:
In my experience (several Oris watches), I have not found the quality to be anything like as different or low as some people are suggesting.

I have Rolex and Omega watches which do not appear to be markedly superior. Lets not all turn into MG-type pundits, with a bit of money but little real knowledge or experience (who appear to only value watches which do not lose their value - every watch I buy I can afford to live without).
I agree.

I have an Oris as well as a Hamilton, Glycine & a few others. All of which have the same mechanicals as many of these more "superior" watches and the cases are just as good.

I really couldn't justify spending £5k on a Breitling etc (putting aside the questionable looks) when something like an Oris or Longines has the same movement for £2k!

B3MX5

543 posts

204 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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It's a nice looking watch, ultimately though it's just your opinion that matters, what we or your relatives thinks shouldn't matter. I've had my Oris BC3 for 18yrs, I've a '72 Omega Constellation and a coupe of Seiko's, a 5 and an SKX007. The Oris's for me are priced exactly right for me, and that's because I'd only buy to keep and not be concerned about resell value. They'd depreciate the most probably, but that doesn't bother me. From my experience Omega is a big jump up in quality, and comparing a 2k Oris to a 2k Omega is irrelevant, they wouldn't be comparable models. The Seiko's are extremely good value but they don't have the quodos the market is obsessed with. Hence they're bargains, and I've found the quality of their mechanisms to be as good as the Oris. I still feel that Oris's are a quality watch though, and I like that the majority don't know about it.

If you like it and intend to keep it, get it!

mikeveal

4,559 posts

249 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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I think Oris are pretty decent for what you pay.
They have a good and long history too. Can't find a reference on the net, but I'm sure I read that use of the swiss lever escapement was tightly controlled throughout most of the last century.
Oris were not allowed to use it until the early 70s. Instead they were restricted to the cheaper, less accurate Roskopf (Pin pallet) escapement.

Pin pallets were originally considered to be short lifed, innacurate cheap throw away movements.

Oris refined the pin pallet so much that they were able to attain chronometer certification. Their later pin pallet watches didn't suffer from the terrible wear associated with the early dollar watch pin pallets. Oris actually managed to polish a turd.

GC8

19,910 posts

189 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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Having come out as an Oris fanboi, I have to admit that Id probably looking at a Hamilton X-Wind for a lower end chrono. Its about one third of the price and the quality of Hamilton watches is not an issue, but I realise that the name and how it looks can be just as big a factor as the movement and the watch's function.

With regards to market position: people should consider that Oris watches are a good deal dearer than Longines and they (Oris) have played the price card FAR less than the Swatch group have over the last five years... No one questions Oris' value for money, so I think that their true market position needs to be reconsidered.