Part ex Daytona for AP
Discussion
freshkid said:
I don't think you can escape the fact that any luxury watch acts as a status symbol. It doesn't matter how you financed it.
I hear what you're saying about subs being more widely recognised, but to be honest if it's not too shiny most people won't even notice it.
Ah the old problem of wanting a watch to show off. I hear what you're saying about subs being more widely recognised, but to be honest if it's not too shiny most people won't even notice it.
You need it to look recognisable to those you're trying to impress but what do you do when the other people wanting a watch to show off all have the same watch as you?
You have to get a slightly less recognisable watch but one that still looks conspicuous to your target audience.
Well quite. I would say the 70s style PP, AP etc watches are the current go-to for those wanting distance from Rolex without losing all recognisability.
I think the battered/faded/tropical trend is something else but VERY closely related
Maybe a Royal Oak Tropical is worth a thought?
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I think the battered/faded/tropical trend is something else but VERY closely related
Maybe a Royal Oak Tropical is worth a thought?
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Edited by freshkid on Tuesday 24th November 14:44
freshkid said:
I don't think you can escape the fact that any luxury watch acts as a status symbol. It doesn't matter how you financed it.
I hear what you're saying about subs being more widely recognised, but to be honest if it's not too shiny most people won't even notice it.
Thats kind of the point though. The 'status' is considerably diminished when one can walk into a high street retailer and buy an expensive watch on 0% finance. The same goes for high end cars. Luxury goods have never been more accessible or affordable, I'd go so far as to say this part of the market has been thoroughly democratised over the last few years. All good in my opinion, keeps sales up and manufacturers in business. I hear what you're saying about subs being more widely recognised, but to be honest if it's not too shiny most people won't even notice it.
el stovey said:
Ah the old problem of wanting a watch to show off.
You need it to look recognisable to those you're trying to impress but what do you do when the other people wanting a watch to show off all have the same watch as you?
You have to get a slightly less recognisable watch but one that still looks conspicuous to your target audience.
You're quite correct. Manufacturers are missing a trick here. There is a dearth of suitably expensive everyday steel sports watches on the market. Quite frustrating really. You need it to look recognisable to those you're trying to impress but what do you do when the other people wanting a watch to show off all have the same watch as you?
You have to get a slightly less recognisable watch but one that still looks conspicuous to your target audience.
I've got a number of reasonably valuable (£5k+) vintage watches and love the fact that no-one realises that any of them are worth more than a fiver and they raise interest only from other watch-lovers.
The idea of a watch bellowing "LOOK AT ME, I'M VALUABLE" just repulses me and I'd be thoroughly embarrassed to wear an AP of any type. The idea of buying one because it's supposedly classier than a Daytona seems daft. Buy you if you want one, sure, but for that reason only, not for bling points.
The idea of a watch bellowing "LOOK AT ME, I'M VALUABLE" just repulses me and I'd be thoroughly embarrassed to wear an AP of any type. The idea of buying one because it's supposedly classier than a Daytona seems daft. Buy you if you want one, sure, but for that reason only, not for bling points.
poocherama said:
el stovey said:
Ah the old problem of wanting a watch to show off.
You need it to look recognisable to those you're trying to impress but what do you do when the other people wanting a watch to show off all have the same watch as you?
You have to get a slightly less recognisable watch but one that still looks conspicuous to your target audience.
You're quite correct. Manufacturers are missing a trick here. There is a dearth of suitably expensive everyday steel sports watches on the market. Quite frustrating really. You need it to look recognisable to those you're trying to impress but what do you do when the other people wanting a watch to show off all have the same watch as you?
You have to get a slightly less recognisable watch but one that still looks conspicuous to your target audience.
But pisstaking aside, I'd agree that outside of Rolex desirable sports watches are few and far between. I think in part it explains why people find the AP desirable - it's not Rolex and it's expensive. Let's face it, it's not for it's looks.
Warren buffet wears a Casio and he has 50 billion in the bank and a gulfstream jet on call.
Both the Daytona and the AP are way too blingy. No one uses the chrono functions these days with mobiles. A nice president in white gold is classy, understated and reeks of money with those in the know. Doesn't get any better imo.
Both the Daytona and the AP are way too blingy. No one uses the chrono functions these days with mobiles. A nice president in white gold is classy, understated and reeks of money with those in the know. Doesn't get any better imo.
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poocherama said:
They're not really status symbols though are they? I'd wager that any sub (battered or not) would be more recognisable than an AP RO/PP Nautilus. Additionally I'd suggest that watches and cars are no longer always signifiers of success/riches, any body can pick up them up on the drip nowadays.
I've bought all my high(ish) 'on the drip' interest free drip, although I could have easily afforded each one outright.I mean why had over all the cash in one go? When it is to your advantage to keep the bulk in an interest bearing account. Over time and thanks to the interest the watch is bought for less in real terms
bobbybee said:
I've bought all my high(ish) 'on the drip' interest free drip, although I could have easily afforded each one outright.
I mean why had over all the cash in one go? When it is to your advantage to keep the bulk in an interest bearing account. Over time and thanks to the interest the watch is bought for less in real terms
Sure, a discount is a discount. But with regard to 'status symbols', I guess what I mean is that I don't see someone wearing a Rolex and think 'he must be a super successful top dog', I just see a nice watch that can be bought from high street retailers the world over. I mean why had over all the cash in one go? When it is to your advantage to keep the bulk in an interest bearing account. Over time and thanks to the interest the watch is bought for less in real terms
Personally I do think the AP RO is a nice looking watch, beauty is in the eye of the beholder after all. Ideally I'd like the 15202 but I'm not sure about the extra cost for the ultra thin movement.
Also the Warren Buffet comparison is slightly irrelevant. He probably isn't into watches and as GregF40 has pointed out he seems to wear a solid gold watch and not a Casio! Also as I've already mentioned, the watch a person chooses to wear can bear little or no relation to how well they're doing / how rich they are.
Edited by poocherama on Wednesday 25th November 12:14
longblackcoat said:
I've got a number of reasonably valuable (£5k+) vintage watches and love the fact that no-one realises that any of them are worth more than a fiver and they raise interest only from other watch-lovers.
The idea of a watch bellowing "LOOK AT ME, I'M VALUABLE" just repulses me and I'd be thoroughly embarrassed to wear an AP of any type. The idea of buying one because it's supposedly classier than a Daytona seems daft. Buy you if you want one, sure, but for that reason only, not for bling points.
I've already got the vintage watch, a 1968 Omega SM300, which I love. I also have the understated JLC base covered although I still think it looks pretty expensive. The idea of a watch bellowing "LOOK AT ME, I'M VALUABLE" just repulses me and I'd be thoroughly embarrassed to wear an AP of any type. The idea of buying one because it's supposedly classier than a Daytona seems daft. Buy you if you want one, sure, but for that reason only, not for bling points.
I bought the Daytona as its one of those watches that if you're into them, I think one should own at some point. I'm just not overly enamoured with it. Saying that I may well decide to keep it, could be a great gift for on of my children down the line.
Hi, in summer I bought an AP 26470ST Navy - I got a fantastic deal on it brand new in London from a place called H&Y Jewellery. They may be able to PX your watch too. Otherwise watch finder is always a pretty good way to just get it sold nice & quickly and simply. Prices are usually pretty fair.
I was using a Yellow Gold Rolex GMTII-C as my daily watch before I bought the AP and I have absolutely loved the change. It's so much more discrete & can fly under the radar - plus the build quality is much higher, though the Rolex yellow gold is beautiful. So I would say it's a good shout, the Daytona became a real fashion watch which as you noted, means you get all sorts of people wearing them, so totally understand why you'd want to make that change.
I'm actually going to sell my GMT soon, not an easy one to let go, but needs must as I'm looking to buy a Patek 5205R-010 shortly. So will actually be trying WatchFinder myself soon - though will consider selling it privately via Chrono24 and on rolexforums. I have sold a DateJust II previously for around £6k on rolexforums as a private sale and all went smoothly, so that's certainly an option.
And as we are talking about these things, some photos!
I was using a Yellow Gold Rolex GMTII-C as my daily watch before I bought the AP and I have absolutely loved the change. It's so much more discrete & can fly under the radar - plus the build quality is much higher, though the Rolex yellow gold is beautiful. So I would say it's a good shout, the Daytona became a real fashion watch which as you noted, means you get all sorts of people wearing them, so totally understand why you'd want to make that change.
I'm actually going to sell my GMT soon, not an easy one to let go, but needs must as I'm looking to buy a Patek 5205R-010 shortly. So will actually be trying WatchFinder myself soon - though will consider selling it privately via Chrono24 and on rolexforums. I have sold a DateJust II previously for around £6k on rolexforums as a private sale and all went smoothly, so that's certainly an option.
And as we are talking about these things, some photos!
I once read that you buy a 911 turbo when you've already had all the other Porsches....
I see the Rolex Day Date as the same- they are the blue chip Rolex.
I've had a 41mm yellow gold / champagne dial Day Date 2 since they came out and in about
3 yrs or so I've only seen two other Day Dates in the wild......and about a hundred Daytonas.
The AP's are a top quality watch but I found the Royal Oak Offshore especially very uncomfortable- on a strap
they felt 'top heavy' and kept twisting round on the wrist- residuals on AP are also terrible.
The Day Date meanwhile is the most comfortable watch I've ever had-the president bracelet is a work of art
in itself and within 2 mins you can't feel you're wearing it.
I see the Rolex Day Date as the same- they are the blue chip Rolex.
I've had a 41mm yellow gold / champagne dial Day Date 2 since they came out and in about
3 yrs or so I've only seen two other Day Dates in the wild......and about a hundred Daytonas.
The AP's are a top quality watch but I found the Royal Oak Offshore especially very uncomfortable- on a strap
they felt 'top heavy' and kept twisting round on the wrist- residuals on AP are also terrible.
The Day Date meanwhile is the most comfortable watch I've ever had-the president bracelet is a work of art
in itself and within 2 mins you can't feel you're wearing it.
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