Audemars Piguet Royal Oak vs Roles SS Daytona white face

Audemars Piguet Royal Oak vs Roles SS Daytona white face

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aporschefan

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302 posts

241 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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Been on the lookout for a Rolex SS Daytona white face (116520) for a little while and am able to quite easily locate one new from an AD at list price.

I've been offered a new AP Royal Oak (https://www.audemarspiguet.com/en/watch-collection/royal-oak/26120ST.OO.1220ST.01) from an AD for £10k. (This one is also with a white face.) I'm aware this is now a discontinued model. (Happy to be corrected but this is what the salesman in the AP boutique advised when I asked if they have any in stock.)

The first question is, is the price for the AP Royal Oak Dual Time (white face): a rip off, fair, very good?

I'm buying the watch to wear daily and not thinking the purchase will be an investment. That said, should I want to sell at any point in the future, which would hold it's value better, long term and short term?

I'm not fussed about buying new. I'd be happy buying from respected second hand dealers if the price was right for either but wouldn't pay a premium (i.e. over list price) to own either one of these. I'd want one with B&P and as much paperwork as possible if buying second hand.

I've only got another 10-15 hours to decide if it's going to be the AP so would appreciate as many opinions as possible.

Thanks in advance.

Edited to correct name in text but unable to correct typo in title.

Edited by aporschefan on Thursday 26th November 18:30


Edited by aporschefan on Thursday 26th November 18:36

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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Will reply properly in an hour or two, but as to buying second hand: Dom Hackett of Hackett Watches.

If you're anywhere near London - him.

Faultless service, the bloke clearly loves watches, couldn't have been a better experience buying off him.

aporschefan

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302 posts

241 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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Thanks, much appreciated.

Will email Dom tonight as I've heard good things about him in the past too.

Edited by aporschefan on Thursday 26th November 19:03

aporschefan

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302 posts

241 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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Email sent.

Looking forward to reading peoples opinions on the matter.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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Right...

I can't really weigh in as to whether YOU prefer the RO or Daytona.
Ultimately you must purchase the watch you like most.

What I will say is that either watch has decent residuals (quite a rare thing outside GMTs and Submariners).
The Daytona will hold value better, however.
Of course, if you fall in love with a piece and decide to keep one for a long time, why care if it loses you a bit of money, the important thing is that you enjoy what's on your wrist?

Also, I'd encourage you to read a little about the RO, apologies if you've done so already, and look at either a 'regular' one with a blue dial, or a chronograph in the same colour. To me, they are the RO's to get. Obviously, if you prefer the white dial model, get that. For my money though, I'd spend a little more and get a vintage Daytona, silver face, with black subdials. That's just personal prejudice speaking though.




Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 27th November 09:27

hungry_hog

2,238 posts

188 months

Saturday 28th November 2015
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The RO for me is the better looking watch with some lovely subtle details.

It does come with some drawbacks. Aside from the higher purchase price, it will lose more money. In addition to this the service charges are higher. Not sure if anyone if the UK services these, would have to go back to Geneva I guess?

Daytona is more recognisable - this may or my not be good thing. Will hold its money better and cheaper and easier to get serviced. A lot more blingy IMO.

If you can afford it personally I would get the RO.

Nice decision to have to make!

PJ S

10,842 posts

227 months

Saturday 28th November 2015
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hungry_hog said:
It does come with some drawbacks. Aside from the higher purchase price, it will lose more money. In addition to this the service charges are higher. Not sure if anyone if the UK services these, would have to go back to Geneva I guess?
AP has a service centre in London.

As for recognition – not everyone wants their watch to be instantly recognisable, for a variety of reasons.

Chad_Hugo

649 posts

178 months

Sunday 29th November 2015
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It depends on a few factors- first of probably what other watches you currently own?

Is it going to be your only/most regular daily wearer?

Is so, I would go for the Rolex as it cheaper, quicker/less costly to service, and you will not lose any amount of money worth mentioning. Rolex watches are in my experience of owning several incredible durable, they take the stress of daily wear very well so if it will be on the wrist a lot go for the rolex.

AP's are special- for that brand I would go for a precious metal watch, not a stainless steel one. I would buy one more as a dress watch, or a piece to wear every now and again rather than daily.


aporschefan

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302 posts

241 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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Decided against the AP.

I do like the look of it but felt like I was buying it because it felt a good deal as opposed to a watch I wanted to wear every day.

I don't currently have a watch worth mentioning so again, the Daytona is probably a better option for daily use, plus a few £k cheaper.

Thanks all for your input.

bobbybee

872 posts

154 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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That's fair enough, good choice no matter which way you went anyway, nice position to be in.

Personally I would have gone the AP route. I've owned both an APROC and a Daytona, the AP just felt much better built and no where near as much of a scratch magnet as a Daytona is with PCL and polished bezel.

jonamv8

3,151 posts

166 months

Friday 4th December 2015
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Daytona

Altho if u have a real thing for Royal Oak then go with it.

Both lovely

twoblacklines

1,575 posts

161 months

Friday 11th December 2015
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For £10k http://www.watchfinder.co.uk/Audemars%20Piguet/Roy...

Daytonas are lovely BUT they are bigger and flashier.

bobbybee

872 posts

154 months

Friday 11th December 2015
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twoblacklines said:
For £10k http://www.watchfinder.co.uk/Audemars%20Piguet/Roy...

Daytonas are lovely BUT they are bigger and flashier.
Flashier? I think Daytonas are rather understated, but quite shiny, as to bigger? They are the same size 39mm

aporschefan

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302 posts

241 months

Friday 11th December 2015
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The AP Royal is 39mm. The Daytona is 40mm. See http://www.rolex.com/watches/cosmograph-daytona/m1...

Personally, I quite like the weight of the Daytona. Some variants are flashy but in my opinion, the SS white face isn't flashy or blingy. Each to their own though.

mikeveal

4,573 posts

250 months

Friday 11th December 2015
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aporschefan said:
I'm buying the watch to wear daily and not thinking the purchase will be an investment. That said, should I want to sell at any point in the future, which would hold it's value better, long term and short term?

I'm not fussed about buying new.
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Halejuah.
You've no idea how many people think that jewellery (a watch) is an investment.
Resale should be strong on both of those. You should lose little provided you let the first owner take the initial depreciation hit. Buy second hand.

gvij

363 posts

124 months

Saturday 12th December 2015
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twoblacklines said:
For £10k http://www.watchfinder.co.uk/Audemars%20Piguet/Roy...

Daytonas are lovely BUT they are bigger and flashier.
I like the screws lining up at the front on the way around unlike the back looks as if someone guntered them in.

twoblacklines

1,575 posts

161 months

Saturday 12th December 2015
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gvij said:
I like the screws lining up at the front on the way around unlike the back looks as if someone guntered them in.
Good way of knowing if it is real or fake.

Who looks at the screws on the back?

gvij

363 posts

124 months

Saturday 12th December 2015
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twoblacklines said:
gvij said:
I like the screws lining up at the front on the way around unlike the back looks as if someone guntered them in.
Good way of knowing if it is real or fake.

Who looks at the screws on the back?
Or more likely its been opened by someone useless or badly made new. For 15 k new Id want things to line up front or back. Ive even seen Pateks new with things mot lining up perfectly. Not the watch they claim to be. Sure anyone can radius the end of a screws flats but how many ensure things are tightened up to look symmetrical.
Expensive watches are 90% marketing. People buy them as they want to be associated with success but the only thing they excel at is marketing in many cases. The products are near useless.

bobbybee

872 posts

154 months

Saturday 12th December 2015
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aporschefan said:
The AP Royal is 39mm. The Daytona is 40mm. See http://www.rolex.com/watches/cosmograph-daytona/m1...

Personally, I quite like the weight of the Daytona. Some variants are flashy but in my opinion, the SS white face isn't flashy or blingy. Each to their own though.
Yes Rolex say it is 40mm, but if you actually measure one, they are 39mm

bobbybee

872 posts

154 months

Saturday 12th December 2015
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gvij said:
Or more likely its been opened by someone useless or badly made new. For 15 k new Id want things to line up front or back.
They aren't screws, they are threaded bolts, they line up on the front because it's a hex head in a hex hole.
And they don't align on the back because they are tightened to a set torque for water resistance.
It is near impossible to design a thread and bolt and get them all to line up