Audemars Piguet Royal Oak vs Roles SS Daytona white face
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Been on the lookout for a Rolex SS Daytona white face (116520) for a little while and am able to quite easily locate one new from an AD at list price.
I've been offered a new AP Royal Oak (https://www.audemarspiguet.com/en/watch-collection/royal-oak/26120ST.OO.1220ST.01) from an AD for £10k. (This one is also with a white face.) I'm aware this is now a discontinued model. (Happy to be corrected but this is what the salesman in the AP boutique advised when I asked if they have any in stock.)
The first question is, is the price for the AP Royal Oak Dual Time (white face): a rip off, fair, very good?
I'm buying the watch to wear daily and not thinking the purchase will be an investment. That said, should I want to sell at any point in the future, which would hold it's value better, long term and short term?
I'm not fussed about buying new. I'd be happy buying from respected second hand dealers if the price was right for either but wouldn't pay a premium (i.e. over list price) to own either one of these. I'd want one with B&P and as much paperwork as possible if buying second hand.
I've only got another 10-15 hours to decide if it's going to be the AP so would appreciate as many opinions as possible.
Thanks in advance.
Edited to correct name in text but unable to correct typo in title.
I've been offered a new AP Royal Oak (https://www.audemarspiguet.com/en/watch-collection/royal-oak/26120ST.OO.1220ST.01) from an AD for £10k. (This one is also with a white face.) I'm aware this is now a discontinued model. (Happy to be corrected but this is what the salesman in the AP boutique advised when I asked if they have any in stock.)
The first question is, is the price for the AP Royal Oak Dual Time (white face): a rip off, fair, very good?
I'm buying the watch to wear daily and not thinking the purchase will be an investment. That said, should I want to sell at any point in the future, which would hold it's value better, long term and short term?
I'm not fussed about buying new. I'd be happy buying from respected second hand dealers if the price was right for either but wouldn't pay a premium (i.e. over list price) to own either one of these. I'd want one with B&P and as much paperwork as possible if buying second hand.
I've only got another 10-15 hours to decide if it's going to be the AP so would appreciate as many opinions as possible.
Thanks in advance.
Edited to correct name in text but unable to correct typo in title.
Edited by aporschefan on Thursday 26th November 18:30
Edited by aporschefan on Thursday 26th November 18:36
Right...
I can't really weigh in as to whether YOU prefer the RO or Daytona.
Ultimately you must purchase the watch you like most.
What I will say is that either watch has decent residuals (quite a rare thing outside GMTs and Submariners).
The Daytona will hold value better, however.
Of course, if you fall in love with a piece and decide to keep one for a long time, why care if it loses you a bit of money, the important thing is that you enjoy what's on your wrist?
Also, I'd encourage you to read a little about the RO, apologies if you've done so already, and look at either a 'regular' one with a blue dial, or a chronograph in the same colour. To me, they are the RO's to get. Obviously, if you prefer the white dial model, get that. For my money though, I'd spend a little more and get a vintage Daytona, silver face, with black subdials. That's just personal prejudice speaking though.
I can't really weigh in as to whether YOU prefer the RO or Daytona.
Ultimately you must purchase the watch you like most.
What I will say is that either watch has decent residuals (quite a rare thing outside GMTs and Submariners).
The Daytona will hold value better, however.
Of course, if you fall in love with a piece and decide to keep one for a long time, why care if it loses you a bit of money, the important thing is that you enjoy what's on your wrist?
Also, I'd encourage you to read a little about the RO, apologies if you've done so already, and look at either a 'regular' one with a blue dial, or a chronograph in the same colour. To me, they are the RO's to get. Obviously, if you prefer the white dial model, get that. For my money though, I'd spend a little more and get a vintage Daytona, silver face, with black subdials. That's just personal prejudice speaking though.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 27th November 09:27
The RO for me is the better looking watch with some lovely subtle details.
It does come with some drawbacks. Aside from the higher purchase price, it will lose more money. In addition to this the service charges are higher. Not sure if anyone if the UK services these, would have to go back to Geneva I guess?
Daytona is more recognisable - this may or my not be good thing. Will hold its money better and cheaper and easier to get serviced. A lot more blingy IMO.
If you can afford it personally I would get the RO.
Nice decision to have to make!
It does come with some drawbacks. Aside from the higher purchase price, it will lose more money. In addition to this the service charges are higher. Not sure if anyone if the UK services these, would have to go back to Geneva I guess?
Daytona is more recognisable - this may or my not be good thing. Will hold its money better and cheaper and easier to get serviced. A lot more blingy IMO.
If you can afford it personally I would get the RO.
Nice decision to have to make!
hungry_hog said:
It does come with some drawbacks. Aside from the higher purchase price, it will lose more money. In addition to this the service charges are higher. Not sure if anyone if the UK services these, would have to go back to Geneva I guess?
AP has a service centre in London.As for recognition – not everyone wants their watch to be instantly recognisable, for a variety of reasons.
It depends on a few factors- first of probably what other watches you currently own?
Is it going to be your only/most regular daily wearer?
Is so, I would go for the Rolex as it cheaper, quicker/less costly to service, and you will not lose any amount of money worth mentioning. Rolex watches are in my experience of owning several incredible durable, they take the stress of daily wear very well so if it will be on the wrist a lot go for the rolex.
AP's are special- for that brand I would go for a precious metal watch, not a stainless steel one. I would buy one more as a dress watch, or a piece to wear every now and again rather than daily.
Is it going to be your only/most regular daily wearer?
Is so, I would go for the Rolex as it cheaper, quicker/less costly to service, and you will not lose any amount of money worth mentioning. Rolex watches are in my experience of owning several incredible durable, they take the stress of daily wear very well so if it will be on the wrist a lot go for the rolex.
AP's are special- for that brand I would go for a precious metal watch, not a stainless steel one. I would buy one more as a dress watch, or a piece to wear every now and again rather than daily.
Decided against the AP.
I do like the look of it but felt like I was buying it because it felt a good deal as opposed to a watch I wanted to wear every day.
I don't currently have a watch worth mentioning so again, the Daytona is probably a better option for daily use, plus a few £k cheaper.
Thanks all for your input.
I do like the look of it but felt like I was buying it because it felt a good deal as opposed to a watch I wanted to wear every day.
I don't currently have a watch worth mentioning so again, the Daytona is probably a better option for daily use, plus a few £k cheaper.
Thanks all for your input.
That's fair enough, good choice no matter which way you went anyway, nice position to be in.
Personally I would have gone the AP route. I've owned both an APROC and a Daytona, the AP just felt much better built and no where near as much of a scratch magnet as a Daytona is with PCL and polished bezel.
Personally I would have gone the AP route. I've owned both an APROC and a Daytona, the AP just felt much better built and no where near as much of a scratch magnet as a Daytona is with PCL and polished bezel.
For £10k http://www.watchfinder.co.uk/Audemars%20Piguet/Roy...
Daytonas are lovely BUT they are bigger and flashier.
Daytonas are lovely BUT they are bigger and flashier.
twoblacklines said:
For £10k http://www.watchfinder.co.uk/Audemars%20Piguet/Roy...
Daytonas are lovely BUT they are bigger and flashier.
Flashier? I think Daytonas are rather understated, but quite shiny, as to bigger? They are the same size 39mmDaytonas are lovely BUT they are bigger and flashier.
The AP Royal is 39mm. The Daytona is 40mm. See http://www.rolex.com/watches/cosmograph-daytona/m1...
Personally, I quite like the weight of the Daytona. Some variants are flashy but in my opinion, the SS white face isn't flashy or blingy. Each to their own though.
Personally, I quite like the weight of the Daytona. Some variants are flashy but in my opinion, the SS white face isn't flashy or blingy. Each to their own though.
aporschefan said:
I'm buying the watch to wear daily and not thinking the purchase will be an investment. That said, should I want to sell at any point in the future, which would hold it's value better, long term and short term?
I'm not fussed about buying new.
I'm not fussed about buying new.
Halejuah.
You've no idea how many people think that jewellery (a watch) is an investment.
Resale should be strong on both of those. You should lose little provided you let the first owner take the initial depreciation hit. Buy second hand.
twoblacklines said:
For £10k http://www.watchfinder.co.uk/Audemars%20Piguet/Roy...
Daytonas are lovely BUT they are bigger and flashier.
I like the screws lining up at the front on the way around unlike the back looks as if someone guntered them in.Daytonas are lovely BUT they are bigger and flashier.
twoblacklines said:
gvij said:
I like the screws lining up at the front on the way around unlike the back looks as if someone guntered them in.
Good way of knowing if it is real or fake.Who looks at the screws on the back?
Expensive watches are 90% marketing. People buy them as they want to be associated with success but the only thing they excel at is marketing in many cases. The products are near useless.
aporschefan said:
The AP Royal is 39mm. The Daytona is 40mm. See http://www.rolex.com/watches/cosmograph-daytona/m1...
Personally, I quite like the weight of the Daytona. Some variants are flashy but in my opinion, the SS white face isn't flashy or blingy. Each to their own though.
Yes Rolex say it is 40mm, but if you actually measure one, they are 39mmPersonally, I quite like the weight of the Daytona. Some variants are flashy but in my opinion, the SS white face isn't flashy or blingy. Each to their own though.
gvij said:
Or more likely its been opened by someone useless or badly made new. For 15 k new Id want things to line up front or back.
They aren't screws, they are threaded bolts, they line up on the front because it's a hex head in a hex hole.And they don't align on the back because they are tightened to a set torque for water resistance.
It is near impossible to design a thread and bolt and get them all to line up
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