Fakes, what's the feeling?
Discussion
EddieSteadyGo said:
As many here have tried to say, you are perfectly entitled to your opinion.
If you are proud to wear counterfeit goods passed off as the real thing, then that's good for you.
There are a number of very good reasons why it is against the law to sell counterfeit products, and I think very good reasons why it doesn't make sense to buy them. Particularly when you could buy very similar versions of many designs without needing to infringe the law.
This is a much less condescending and therefore better way of putting it and I agree, if I'd had the brainpower to find out/know about and choose a look alike instead of a direct copy with the same branding I would've done.If you are proud to wear counterfeit goods passed off as the real thing, then that's good for you.
There are a number of very good reasons why it is against the law to sell counterfeit products, and I think very good reasons why it doesn't make sense to buy them. Particularly when you could buy very similar versions of many designs without needing to infringe the law.
Indeed later I did, buying a Lum-Tec M63XL which has shades of Panerai about it, but is very much it's own watch.
julian64 said:
Do you guys see any parallels between replica watch ownership and replica car ownership?
That's what I was saying earlier, those that are bitterly against reps, must absolutely hate those AC Cobra/GT40/550 reps, whereas, personally, I appreciate the work that has gone into them and would happily own and drive one.Marc p said:
^Exactly this^
But I suppose both you and me have both gen and rep, so we see both sides of the coin, but the ones who buy fakes never get as venomous, they could be spouting off how idiotic people are to spend 10x the cost for a watch that is nigh on identical, but we don't as we see why you do buy gen, I just don't want £7k's worth of watch getting scuffed or pinched(never wear it on the tube!).
Maybe the venom comes from being a bit pissed off that someone is wearing the same thing for less than 1% of the price they paid, which is understandable, after all who is the one really being conned? But I suppose both you and me have both gen and rep, so we see both sides of the coin, but the ones who buy fakes never get as venomous, they could be spouting off how idiotic people are to spend 10x the cost for a watch that is nigh on identical, but we don't as we see why you do buy gen, I just don't want £7k's worth of watch getting scuffed or pinched(never wear it on the tube!).
A Someone who bought a fake
B Someone who bought an original
C The wider public in the presence of someone wearing a fake
My money's on B
bobbybee said:
That's a different story in the main, as there are no replica watches they are FAKES
Whats the difference?http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C705081
Whatever you call it fake/replica/clone, it's the same thing, as the above is not a Ford GT40, yet appears to be one.
Quickmoose said:
if I'd had the brainpower to find out/know about and choose a look alike instead of a direct copy with the same branding I would've done.
What goggle broken?Ask the forum " does anyone know of a similar watch to xxxxxx but cheaper?"
To find fakes online is all too easy and lazy, to say you didn't know about homages or similar watches is horsesh!t just look in any Argos catalogue or high street jewellers, homages of expensive watches from cheaper manufacturers aren't that hard to find
bobbybee said:
Quickmoose said:
if I'd had the brainpower to find out/know about and choose a look alike instead of a direct copy with the same branding I would've done.
What goggle broken?Ask the forum " does anyone know of a similar watch to xxxxxx but cheaper?"
To find fakes online is all too easy and lazy, to say you didn't know about homages or similar watches is horsesh!t just look in any Argos catalogue or high street jewellers, homages of expensive watches from cheaper manufacturers aren't that hard to find
Quickmoose said:
bobbybee said:
Quickmoose said:
if I'd had the brainpower to find out/know about and choose a look alike instead of a direct copy with the same branding I would've done.
What goggle broken?Ask the forum " does anyone know of a similar watch to xxxxxx but cheaper?"
To find fakes online is all too easy and lazy, to say you didn't know about homages or similar watches is horsesh!t just look in any Argos catalogue or high street jewellers, homages of expensive watches from cheaper manufacturers aren't that hard to find
Marc p said:
Whats the difference?
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C705081
Whatever you call it fake/replica/clone, it's the same thing, as the above is not a Ford GT40, yet appears to be one.
It looks like one yes, is it badged as one? No there's your difference, besides which once a car design patent runs out it can be legally used by anyone to reproduce a replica, afaikhttp://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C705081
Whatever you call it fake/replica/clone, it's the same thing, as the above is not a Ford GT40, yet appears to be one.
In the case of the Turlex rubbish
FAKE, simple as that, they are not replicas as they are not approved by, made by or designs sold by the original IP owner, the designs, logos and branding are STOLEN.
What do you NOT understand?
Whether you choose to buy one or not that's your choice, couldn't care less, it's the illegalities of the whole FAKE industry that's the issue, and don't understand why anyone would support it
V6Pushfit said:
Maybe the venom comes from being a bit pissed off that someone is wearing the same thing for less than 1% of the price they paid, which is understandable, after all who is the one really being conned?
A Someone who bought a fake
B Someone who bought an original
C The wider public in the presence of someone wearing a fake
My money's on B
They aren't the same thing though are they? They may look the same but have inferior build quality, movements, QC, materials used.A Someone who bought a fake
B Someone who bought an original
C The wider public in the presence of someone wearing a fake
My money's on B
Who's being conned? A as its not an original and/or C if the fakes wearer says it's original
bobbybee said:
lostkiwi said:
I think Bobby needs the space mission quality materials in his watches because that damned horse he's on is so high...
Now, now no need to get personalSo - fake or replica?
It looks like the real thing, feels like the real thing, weighs the same as the real thing but doesn't work like the real thing. Its generally accepted to be a replica and people don't get in a sweat about it.
Another one.
Looks like the real thing, feels like the real thing, weighs the same as teh real thing and even shoots (complete with blow back!). Again its a replica (airsoft) but people don't get in a sweat about them (unless facing the wrong end).
I can't think of anyone calling a replica pistol a fake one.
And yes the examples given are likely out of copyright but there are recent versions available as well.
bobbybee said:
V6Pushfit said:
Maybe the venom comes from being a bit pissed off that someone is wearing the same thing for less than 1% of the price they paid, which is understandable, after all who is the one really being conned?
A Someone who bought a fake
B Someone who bought an original
C The wider public in the presence of someone wearing a fake
My money's on B
They aren't the same thing though are they? They may look the same but have inferior build quality, movements, QC, materials used.A Someone who bought a fake
B Someone who bought an original
C The wider public in the presence of someone wearing a fake
My money's on B
Who's being conned? A as its not an original and/or C if the fakes wearer says it's original
It's like the Kings New Clothes - everyone says you have to wear original to fit in blah blah until eventually someone says 'why? - this is just as good for purpose, looks the same apart from imperceptible detail and you can buy 100 for the same price'
bobbybee said:
Quickmoose said:
Sorry to piss on your fire Bobby, but it wasn't horsehit at the time. You're just wrong, it happened as I described it, so suck it up.
So what stopped you going down any of the other easy routes I'd already mentioned and made you seek out a fake?He's answered all you've asked him. He's not embarrassed and has explained his reasons. So you trying to guilt trip him or embarrass him into changing his views so they mirror yours, is a waste of time... Mostly yours but also the rest of us poor buggers reading the thread.
Edited by A10 on Wednesday 10th February 17:57
V6Pushfit said:
This topic is about people's views, just a shame the watch fraternity don't like views that contradict theirs and trot out the usual objections to fakes whilst probably having one themselves to wear at times when they don't want to risk the real thing, , like I do. We have had crime, drugs, lack of space mission quality steel and all sorts to justify the real deal but the fact of the matter and hard truth is they are just watches to tell the time and be used and personally I don't care who wears fakes and don't judge them on it.
The irony is no one has queried the accuracy of fakes, which would be my only concern, and on the basis I've never had an inaccurate one yet then they do what the are intended to nicely as far as I can see.
I've never understood if you have the real thing and don't want to risk wearing it, so wear a fake?The irony is no one has queried the accuracy of fakes, which would be my only concern, and on the basis I've never had an inaccurate one yet then they do what the are intended to nicely as far as I can see.
If some mugger clocks your watch be it fake or real they don't know so will still mug you!?
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