Fakes, what's the feeling?

[lostkiwi]

bobbybee said:

lostkiwi said:

what's the problem?

I don't see how supposedly intelligent people, more astute people than buyers of genuine items (who of course are just mindless drones apparently) can be supportive of crime.
How, by anybody's standards, no matter how low, can it be a good thing?

Like the look, buy the look, like the brand, buy the brand. That's it, there is no justification to buy counterfeit goods

Ermmm... that wasn't what I said.

If you read my post I am just pointing out the flaws in your statement.
I have a large number of watches in my collection. All genuine. So if you would kindly get off your high horse (I think that's been mentioned once before) and read what I wrote then make a sensible comment without mis-quoting me that might be more constructive.

I have no issues at all if people want to buy a copy. That's their decision. Its not illegal. It may be questionable morally but then so is speeding, driving like a tt and many other things we all do daily (and many of those things we do daily are illegal as well).

Intelligent people will read what's being said, quote it correctly and in context and have an adult discussion. Still.... this is PH.... I was probably expecting too much from you.

Edited by lostkiwi on Monday 15th February 16:08

[lostkiwi]

andy tims said:

lostkiwi said:

Frankly I find it just as sad if someone buys such an obvious look a like as that! Still if people are happy with them that's up to them.

You say sad, others like them. At least those buyers are not:-
1 Knowingly buying illegal goods
2 Being duped in to buying a fake
3 Likely to pass it of as a real Rolex

I have and have had a number of Rolex Sub / Sea Dwellers since I like the design. I also like that when I sold those I no longer own, on the whole, their value had increased.

Yeah whatever - nothing new in your arguments there. As for the Rolex design - like I said - not MY taste. I'm very pleased for you that you managed to make money selling what TO ME is an unimaginitive watch (note - subjective evaluation - cannot be wrong as its my opinion and a result of what I personally like and dislike).

[michael gould]

it's been a wonderful discussion and I've enjoyed it but just to recap .....if you buy a replica/fake watch your a knob .....you might be a charming and jolly nice chap.....but you're still a knob

Edited by michael gould on Monday 15th February 15:26

[SlackBladder]

michael gould said:

it's been a wonderful discussion and I've enjoyed it but just to recap .....if you buy a replica/fake watch your a knob .....you might be a charming and jolly nice chap.....but your still a knob

Good point well put, and if you can't tell the difference between your and you're, then YOU'RE an illiterate knob

[bobbybee]

SlackBladder said:

Been reading this thread from the start, and am still undecided.....

However I am about to order a fake for the first time ever, I know it's a fake and anyone who asks will be told it's a fake but there is a personal reason, or logic if you will. As I can't hire or take a 25K watch for a test drive I'm going to spend £500 on a decent fake to see how it feels on my wrist for a few weeks. If I like it then I'll buy the genuine article, if not then I've saved what ever I'd have lost on selling the original on if I didn't get on with it.

How do you know the fake will be of the right weight and a reasonable facsimile of the original?
I suppose the financial risk is lower going this route and you also get to support the community, criminal community

[michael gould]

SlackBladder said:

michael gould said:

it's been a wonderful discussion and I've enjoyed it but just to recap .....if you buy a replica/fake watch your a knob .....you might be a charming and jolly nice chap.....but your still a knob

Good point well put, and if you can't tell the difference between your and you're, then YOU'RE an illiterate knob

soza ....good point well put ....now corrected

[andy tims]

SlackBladder said:

What makes you think that 25K isn't the pre-owned price?

Fair point - I jumped to a conclusion. Is it the pre-owned price? Mind saying what watch you're after?

SlackBladder said:

Being able to afford the depreciation and throwing a few grand down the drain are two totally different things.

Agreed, but still doesn't validate buying a fake in my view and £500 wasted is hardly trivial is it?

It doesn't generally take that long to decide if a watch is right for you - Presumably you have you tried one on?

[SlackBladder]

bobbybee said:

SlackBladder said:

Been reading this thread from the start, and am still undecided.....

However I am about to order a fake for the first time ever, I know it's a fake and anyone who asks will be told it's a fake but there is a personal reason, or logic if you will. As I can't hire or take a 25K watch for a test drive I'm going to spend £500 on a decent fake to see how it feels on my wrist for a few weeks. If I like it then I'll buy the genuine article, if not then I've saved what ever I'd have lost on selling the original on if I didn't get on with it.

How do you know the fake will be of the right weight and a reasonable facsimile of the original?
I suppose the financial risk is lower going this route and you also get to support the community, criminal community

I can't be 100% sure but by doing a bit of research I can be fairly certain it'll be as close to the original as it can. Bear in mind that it's an expensive fake, a fake none the less.
Not sure I agree with all this criminal community talk, can you honestly say that your well earned hasn't avoided tax and therefore broken the law. Did you get a receipt when you had your car washed, or when you paid the gardener last?

[SlackBladder]

andy tims said:

SlackBladder said:

What makes you think that 25K isn't the pre-owned price?

Fair point - I jumped to a conclusion. Is it the pre-owned price? Mind saying what watch you're after?

SlackBladder said:

Being able to afford the depreciation and throwing a few grand down the drain are two totally different things.

Agreed, but still doesn't valid buying a fake in my view and £500 wasted is hardly trivial is it?

It doesn't generally take that long to decide if a watch is right for you - Presumably you have you tried one on?

I'm after this:-

http://www.chrono24.co.uk/audemarspiguet/royal-oak...

To answer your other question, no I haven't tried one on which is one of the deciding factors of buying a fake.
I was going to take a flyer and buy one at Heathrow in December but they didn't have one at terminal 3, only terminal 2 and time restraints meant I couldn't get to T2 and back in time.

[andy tims]

SlackBladder said:

I'm after this:-

http://www.chrono24.co.uk/audemarspiguet/royal-oak...

To answer your other question, no I haven't tried one on which is one of the deciding factors of buying a fake.
I was going to take a flyer and buy one at Heathrow in December but they didn't have one at terminal 3, only terminal 2 and time restraints meant I couldn't get to T2 and back in time.

Watchfinder have several Royal Oaks that you could try for size. They even have a Rose Gold one, albeit with a white dial, and they offer 14 day exchange.
In any event, a £500 fake is highly (99.999%) unlikely to be solid gold, so I doubt it's going to feel much like the real thing.

Edited by andy tims on Monday 15th February 16:15

[CRB14]

SlackBladder said:

I can't be 100% sure but by doing a bit of research I can be fairly certain it'll be as close to the original as it can. Bear in mind that it's an expensive fake, a fake none the less.
Not sure I agree with all this criminal community talk, can you honestly say that your well earned hasn't avoided tax and therefore broken the law. Did you get a receipt when you had your car washed, or when you paid the gardener last?

Poor argument. It isn't the customer's responsibility to ensure that the seller pays their fair proportion of tax and besides, the gardener and car cleaner aren't committing a crime in selling their services by gaining from selling counterfeit goods. Regardless, even if you did get a receipt it doesn't prove they are paying their taxes.

[sealtt]

SlackBladder said:

Been reading this thread from the start, and am still undecided.....

However I am about to order a fake for the first time ever, I know it's a fake and anyone who asks will be told it's a fake but there is a personal reason, or logic if you will. As I can't hire or take a 25K watch for a test drive I'm going to spend £500 on a decent fake to see how it feels on my wrist for a few weeks. If I like it then I'll buy the genuine article, if not then I've saved what ever I'd have lost on selling the original on if I didn't get on with it.

Any watch which is costing £25k is so much about the materials, finish and stunning quality of workmanship that a £500 fake is not going to give you any indication at all of how the genuine article will be. You'd be far better off just going to a dealer and trying the real thing on, that will tell you 100x more than any fake ever will about such a watch and will save you £500 too.

And to be quite frank, if you put a watch of this price on your wrist and you don't instantly know that it's a 'must have', then it probably isn't the watch for you - especially if you are that concerned about the price to flip.

[DonkeyApple]

Your other issue is when are you actually going to wear it out and about and be relaxed and how much is your insurance going to cost.

You'll be quite happy wandering around all your usual places with a cheap watch but you won't be with an expensive one.

I bought the ladies version of this watch for my wife but with the diamonds. I don't actually like her wearing it out and about when I am not there as I think it makes her a target. And even when I am there you still find yourself taking cars everywhere etc.

I also would never buy an expensive item at an airport. They are such stty places to buy anything let alone something that should be an experience to remember.

[julian64]

Well this thread set me straight. I can't buy fake watches but I can buy homage watches.

All I need to do now is find out what the cantonese for 'homage' is for the next time I go to Hong Kong.

PH every day a learning day.

Perhaps I'll go for a ride in my homage Cobra, or my homage XKSS when the weather improves.

[nikaiyo2]

SlackBladder said:

I'm after this:-

http://www.chrono24.co.uk/audemarspiguet/royal-oak...

To answer your other question, no I haven't tried one on which is one of the deciding factors of buying a fake.
I was going to take a flyer and buy one at Heathrow in December but they didn't have one at terminal 3, only terminal 2 and time restraints meant I couldn't get to T2 and back in time.

Hey, you will not go wrong with a Royal Oak, they truly are stunning watches, the dials are wonderful. I was given a bi colour as a leaving gift a few years ago, the only watch I regret selling.
I am not 100% sure a fake will give you a true impression, a real RO is such a special thing, I would imagine the solid gold is also quite weighty...

[bobbybee]

DonkeyApple said:

Your other issue is when are you actually going to wear it out and about and be relaxed and how much is your insurance going to cost.

You'll be quite happy wandering around all your usual places with a cheap watch but you won't be with an expensive one.

I bought the ladies version of this watch for my wife but with the diamonds. I don't actually like her wearing it out and about when I am not there as I think it makes her a target. And even when I am there you still find yourself taking cars everywhere etc.

I also would never buy an expensive item at an airport. They are such stty places to buy anything let alone something that should be an experience to remember.

Surely that depends on who you are, where you hang out and your social circle in general, no?
My watches, currently, are mid-tier ranging from £1100 to £5500, but have had the 'holy' trinity, I wear them everywhere except work, as I don't wear a watch at all at work. Be it in town, the pub, football or rugby.
Never once thought about the insurance, or felt uncomfortable wearing any of them

If you feel uneasy wearing an expensive watch in your hangouts and worry about the insurance premium, maybe luxury goods aren't for you.
As for airport ADs, they are a great place to get what you want at a good discount. Then again I'm not one for the 'buying experience' I man shop, get in, buy what I want, then get out.
And what's to remember? You're just buying a watch.

[DonkeyApple]

bobbybee said:

DonkeyApple said:

Your other issue is when are you actually going to wear it out and about and be relaxed and how much is your insurance going to cost.

You'll be quite happy wandering around all your usual places with a cheap watch but you won't be with an expensive one.

I bought the ladies version of this watch for my wife but with the diamonds. I don't actually like her wearing it out and about when I am not there as I think it makes her a target. And even when I am there you still find yourself taking cars everywhere etc.

I also would never buy an expensive item at an airport. They are such stty places to buy anything let alone something that should be an experience to remember.

Surely that depends on who you are, where you hang out and your social circle in general, no?
My watches, currently, are mid-tier ranging from £1100 to £5500, but have had the 'holy' trinity, I wear them everywhere except work, as I don't wear a watch at all at work. Be it in town, the pub, football or rugby.
Never once thought about the insurance, or felt uncomfortable wearing any of them

If you feel uneasy wearing an expensive watch in your hangouts and worry about the insurance premium, maybe luxury goods aren't for you.
As for airport ADs, they are a great place to get what you want at a good discount. Then again I'm not one for the 'buying experience' I man shop, get in, buy what I want, then get out.
And what's to remember? You're just buying a watch.

[andy tims]

DonkeyApple said:

Your other issue is when are you actually going to wear it out and about and be relaxed and how much is your insurance going to cost.

You'll be quite happy wandering around all your usual places with a cheap watch but you won't be with an expensive one.

I bought the ladies version of this watch for my wife but with the diamonds. I don't actually like her wearing it out and about when I am not there as I think it makes her a target. And even when I am there you still find yourself taking cars everywhere etc.

I also would never buy an expensive item at an airport. They are such stty places to buy anything let alone something that should be an experience to remember.

What does the expensive vs cheap watch issue have to do with fakes? There are thousands of very good, inexpensive watches that aren't fakes.

If you're worried about your wife wearing an expensive/ flash watch as it makes her a target that's a different issue, but (although hopefully it will never happen) would she be any less likely to get mugged wearing a fake?

As for buying in Airports, if you have to have new (I mostly busy pre-owned as I'm not a fan of depreciation) and you can get what you like at a decent discount, why not? However the chances of picking up the precise model of dream watch you're after is pretty slim, unless it's actually a pretty common version.

Edited by andy tims on Monday 15th February 18:56

[bobbybee]

DonkeyApple said:

???? What's so funny?

[DonkeyApple]

andy tims said:

DonkeyApple said:

Your other issue is when are you actually going to wear it out and about and be relaxed and how much is your insurance going to cost.

You'll be quite happy wandering around all your usual places with a cheap watch but you won't be with an expensive one.

I bought the ladies version of this watch for my wife but with the diamonds. I don't actually like her wearing it out and about when I am not there as I think it makes her a target. And even when I am there you still find yourself taking cars everywhere etc.

I also would never buy an expensive item at an airport. They are such stty places to buy anything let alone something that should be an experience to remember.

What does the expensive vs cheap watch issue have to do with fakes? There are thousands of very good, inexpensive watches that aren't fakes.

If you're worried about your wife wearing an expensive/ flash watch as it makes her a target that's a different issue, but (although hopefully it will never happen) would she be any less likely to get mugged wearing a fake?

As for buying in Airports, if you have to have new (I mostly busy pre-owned as I'm not a fan of depreciation) and you can get what you like at a decent discount, why not? However the chances of picking up the precise model of dream watch you're after is pretty slim, unless it's actually a pretty common version.

Edited by andy tims on Monday 15th February 18:56

The chap mentioned he was going to buy a copy of the gold Royal Oak to see how it felt etc. I was just highlighting that it won't replicate the feeling of walking about with £25k on your wrist and this was something that might transpire to be of relevance.

Re more or less likely to be mugged wearing a fake, it springs to mind the type of venue that you are leaving as to the expectation of whether it is or not. If that makes sense? But I'm someone who will always walk between venues yet if my wife is dressed up then these days we'll have a car waiting even if it's a short distance. Although her ridiculous footwear doesn't help in that regard either.

I don't recall ever buying a watch for myself but my wife didn't have any so I've bought her a few over the years and it wouldn't cross my mind to buy anything other than tat for my children or toiletries in an airport. I find them dismal places in the first instance and can't imagine being in the mood to spend money there. I didn't even think there was much in the way of savings to be had these days anyway?