Fakes, what's the feeling?

Fakes, what's the feeling?

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anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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Stinkotanko said:
I don't want to be drawn into the homage/fake debate, but do you not make a distinction between a buckle in the style of an original and a buckle pretending to be an original?

For me, it's a sad symptom of the credit culture we live in, poor people buying watches they can't afford and cheapening the brand with fake accessories.
A buckle or a watch made in the same factory and with the same tooling as the 'original'- Whats the difference? Go to Turkey and see the Rolexes churned out form the Rolex tooling, its the same stuff. More fool you for being drawn into paying the London shop rents with your money.

Talking of tools...

Philip0

329 posts

112 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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Fakes/counterfeits are illegal - the people who make them are often the same organisations which use child labour, pay low wages, or produce fake medicines, car parts etc. You might think it's OK to buy a fake watch or handbag, but how would you feel if someone fitted poor quality brakes to your car or gave incorrect drugs to your loved ones. It's not only crass to buy and wear fakes, it's against the law.

cranford10

350 posts

115 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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Philip0 said:
Fakes/counterfeits are illegal - the people who make them are often the same organisations which use child labour, pay low wages, or produce fake medicines, car parts etc. You might think it's OK to buy a fake watch or handbag, but how would you feel if someone fitted poor quality brakes to your car or gave incorrect drugs to your loved ones. It's not only crass to buy and wear fakes, it's against the law.
It's not illegal to wear a fake watch

Struggling to see how carrying a snide LV handbag is equivalent to having poor quality brakes !

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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Philip0 said:
Fakes/counterfeits are illegal - the people who make them are often the same organisations which use child labour, pay low wages, or produce fake medicines, car parts etc. You might think it's OK to buy a fake watch or handbag, but how would you feel if someone fitted poor quality brakes to your car or gave incorrect drugs to your loved ones. It's not only crass to buy and wear fakes, it's against the law.
Give it a rest. Just go to Turkey and in every jewellers there is a sign 'Genuine Fake Watches' as that's what they do. Sorry if this conflicts with your having spent £3000 more on something that looks exactly the same and functions exactly the same, but its a fact and there's no getting away from it no matter how hard you huff and puff.

bobbybee

872 posts

153 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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lostkiwi said:
Really? So you think about the conditions the people who make your phone, TV, jeans, shirts, kitchen appliances etc work under?
Probably not a lot different. There are plenty of corporates who don't care about these things but because they are 'trusted' brands we never really question it.

As for the whole replicas/real thing, who cares? If someone likes what they're wearing and are prepared to wear a replica so what? As long as they don't try and sell it as real its doing noone any harm.
The people with replicas are unlikely to ever buy a real one.
Really?
Marc p said:
I have a genuine Rolex, Oris and Omega, I also have a replica Rolex, Breitling, Tag, Cartier and Patek.

CRB14

1,493 posts

151 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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lostkiwi said:
Really? So you think about the conditions the people who make your phone, TV, jeans, shirts, kitchen appliances etc work under?
Probably not a lot different. There are plenty of corporates who don't care about these things but because they are 'trusted' brands we never really question it.

As for the whole replicas/real thing, who cares? If someone likes what they're wearing and are prepared to wear a replica so what? As long as they don't try and sell it as real its doing noone any harm. The people with replicas are unlikely to ever buy a real one.
The thread title, which you may have missed, is entitled 'what's the feeling?'. I expressed my feelings.


bobbybee

872 posts

153 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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V6Pushfit said:
A buckle or a watch made in the same factory and with the same tooling as the 'original'- Whats the difference? Go to Turkey and see the Rolexes churned out form the Rolex tooling, its the same stuff. More fool you for being drawn into paying the London shop rents with your money.

Talking of tools...
V6Pushfit said:
Give it a rest. Just go to Turkey and in every jewellers there is a sign 'Genuine Fake Watches' as that's what they do. Sorry if this conflicts with your having spent £3000 more on something that looks exactly the same and functions exactly the same, but its a fact and there's no getting away from it no matter how hard you huff and puff.
This has to be a joke right?
You seriously think that a Turlex is the same as the genuine article, I'm guessing you've never seen and/or handled the real thing have you?


anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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V6Pushfit said:
Give it a rest. Just go to Turkey and in every jewellers there is a sign 'Genuine Fake Watches' as that's what they do. Sorry if this conflicts with your having spent £3000 more on something that looks exactly the same and functions exactly the same, but its a fact and there's no getting away from it no matter how hard you huff and puff.
I think the 'thing' about a Rolex or any other luxury good, is the way the owner feels about wearing or using it. Sure you can make a near identical Rolex or lv handbag or whatever for a tenth of the cost, but it won't make the owner feel particularly special. WHY it makes the owner feel special is the topic of another thread.

Everyone knows rolexes have massive mark ups and make huge profit but if you want a Rolex, having a fake one isn't going to satisfy you.

gregs656

10,818 posts

180 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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V6Pushfit said:
A buckle or a watch made in the same factory and with the same tooling as the 'original'- Whats the difference? Go to Turkey and see the Rolexes churned out form the Rolex tooling, its the same stuff. More fool you for being drawn into paying the London shop rents with your money.

Talking of tools...
V6Pushfit said:
Give it a rest. Just go to Turkey and in every jewellers there is a sign 'Genuine Fake Watches' as that's what they do. Sorry if this conflicts with your having spent £3000 more on something that looks exactly the same and functions exactly the same, but its a fact and there's no getting away from it no matter how hard you huff and puff.
It is not about the quality of the item, it's provenance or how well it functions. Buying things that come out of the same factory with OEM branding is a wise move as you can often save your self some money, people do this with car parts for example all the time.

Steal someone else's name and put it on it, and it is counterfeit and - IMO - worth less than the identical OEM product. It is a product of deceit, designed entirely to take advantage of someone else's success, sadly at the cost of people who buy unknowingly.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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bobbybee said:
V6Pushfit said:
A buckle or a watch made in the same factory and with the same tooling as the 'original'- Whats the difference? Go to Turkey and see the Rolexes churned out form the Rolex tooling, its the same stuff. More fool you for being drawn into paying the London shop rents with your money.

Talking of tools...
V6Pushfit said:
Give it a rest. Just go to Turkey and in every jewellers there is a sign 'Genuine Fake Watches' as that's what they do. Sorry if this conflicts with your having spent £3000 more on something that looks exactly the same and functions exactly the same, but its a fact and there's no getting away from it no matter how hard you huff and puff.
This has to be a joke right?
You seriously think that a Turlex is the same as the genuine article, I'm guessing you've never seen and/or handled the real thing have you?
No joke, and yes but not just seen & handled.

r11co

6,244 posts

229 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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EddieSteadyGo said:
Marc p said:
The criminal gang thing circulates all the time, this is your low end watches that are nigh on mass produced, visible reps and sold on the market stalls across the world, the high end stuff is very much specialised watch makers that spend many hours making the watches, we are just utilising Chinas cheap labour rate.
This is at best a spurious defence.
Criminal gangs are as much involved in the sale of genuine items as they are fakes. If they can get in at that level they will.

Not so long ago a jeweller/watch seller with many high-end franchises and a premises in one of the most expensive (in terms of rent/rates) retail areas of Glasgow was shut down when it was established as a front for money laundering of drugs proceeds.

julian64

14,317 posts

253 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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Watches and care are the two aspects where I would probably support fakes.

When you see a Rolex you do have to wonder why people pay out vast amounts of money for one, when an identical copy probably costs 1% of the price tag to produce. You do have to wonder what people are paying the 99% for.

If you can't tell the watch is a fake then I don't understand why you would spend the money
If you can tell its a fake they I can possibly understand but I don't see why you would resent the fake.

I can't really understand why the company would get upset as the person who buys the fake is very unlikely to ever buy the real thing if the fakes were removed.

The company would get upset if a genuine buyer decides to buy a fake, but if that is the case then its more down to the simple truth that the they are selling an item which is heavily overpriced for the quality of components unless you put a great value on simply buying a name.

Either way its a fairly unhealthy market to blindly support

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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r11co said:
Criminal gangs are as much involved in the sale of genuine items as they are fakes. If they can get in at that level they will.

Not so long ago a jeweller/watch seller with many high-end franchises and a premises in one of the most expensive (in terms of rent/rates) retail areas of Glasgow was shut down when it was established as a front for money laundering of drugs proceeds.
So was an ice cream van in Cambridge. Terrible.

Adrian W

13,848 posts

227 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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nikaiyo2 said:
Like that strap, where did you get it from?


Edited by nikaiyo2 on Tuesday 9th February 20:07
Anthony Pang in Singapore, look him up on Facebook, he can be trusted

Adrian W

13,848 posts

227 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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V6Pushfit said:
bobbybee said:
V6Pushfit said:
A buckle or a watch made in the same factory and with the same tooling as the 'original'- Whats the difference? Go to Turkey and see the Rolexes churned out form the Rolex tooling, its the same stuff. More fool you for being drawn into paying the London shop rents with your money.

Talking of tools...
V6Pushfit said:
Give it a rest. Just go to Turkey and in every jewellers there is a sign 'Genuine Fake Watches' as that's what they do. Sorry if this conflicts with your having spent £3000 more on something that looks exactly the same and functions exactly the same, but its a fact and there's no getting away from it no matter how hard you huff and puff.
This has to be a joke right?
You seriously think that a Turlex is the same as the genuine article, I'm guessing you've never seen and/or handled the real thing have you?
No joke, and yes but not just seen & handled.
Exactly why are you posting on a watch forum, bored trolling so thought you'd come here

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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Adrian W said:
V6Pushfit said:
bobbybee said:
V6Pushfit said:
A buckle or a watch made in the same factory and with the same tooling as the 'original'- Whats the difference? Go to Turkey and see the Rolexes churned out form the Rolex tooling, its the same stuff. More fool you for being drawn into paying the London shop rents with your money.

Talking of tools...
V6Pushfit said:
Give it a rest. Just go to Turkey and in every jewellers there is a sign 'Genuine Fake Watches' as that's what they do. Sorry if this conflicts with your having spent £3000 more on something that looks exactly the same and functions exactly the same, but its a fact and there's no getting away from it no matter how hard you huff and puff.
This has to be a joke right?
You seriously think that a Turlex is the same as the genuine article, I'm guessing you've never seen and/or handled the real thing have you?
No joke, and yes but not just seen & handled.
Exactly why are you posting on a watch forum, bored trolling so thought you'd come here
The thread title is entitled 'Fakes, what's the feeling?'. I expressed my views on this and apologies if they don't concur with yours.

InductionRoar

2,001 posts

131 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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julian64 said:
Watches and care are the two aspects where I would probably support fakes.
julian64 said:
Either way its a fairly unhealthy market to blindly support
confused

lostkiwi

4,584 posts

123 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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bobbybee said:
lostkiwi said:
Really? So you think about the conditions the people who make your phone, TV, jeans, shirts, kitchen appliances etc work under?
Probably not a lot different. There are plenty of corporates who don't care about these things but because they are 'trusted' brands we never really question it.

As for the whole replicas/real thing, who cares? If someone likes what they're wearing and are prepared to wear a replica so what? As long as they don't try and sell it as real its doing noone any harm.
The people with replicas are unlikely to ever buy a real one.
Really?
Marc p said:
I have a genuine Rolex, Oris and Omega, I also have a replica Rolex, Breitling, Tag, Cartier and Patek.
I did say unlikely. Some will always buy both for reasons explained by others earlier in the thread.

Quickmoose

4,482 posts

122 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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Do many people show off their buckles then?

With my last Panerai I had 3 straps, the original had a Panerai buckle, the other 2 had non branded buckles of the same shape or thereabouts. Just plain metal, I don't see the importance to brand every bit that can be branded... for me the skill and engineering is in the fiddly bits that tell the time

Toshi or Steveo.
High quality match if not superior to the originals IMO

bobbybee

872 posts

153 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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V6Pushfit said:
bobbybee said:
V6Pushfit said:
A buckle or a watch made in the same factory and with the same tooling as the 'original'- Whats the difference? Go to Turkey and see the Rolexes churned out form the Rolex tooling, its the same stuff. More fool you for being drawn into paying the London shop rents with your money.

Talking of tools...
V6Pushfit said:
Give it a rest. Just go to Turkey and in every jewellers there is a sign 'Genuine Fake Watches' as that's what they do. Sorry if this conflicts with your having spent £3000 more on something that looks exactly the same and functions exactly the same, but its a fact and there's no getting away from it no matter how hard you huff and puff.
This has to be a joke right?
You seriously think that a Turlex is the same as the genuine article, I'm guessing you've never seen and/or handled the real thing have you?
No joke, and yes but not just seen & handled.
OK, I'll have to take your word for it. But,
Where do Turlex get the same grade Stainless Steel, Gold and Platinum?
Where did they get the Rolex tooling from?
Are they tested to the same extremes?
Are they COSC tested?
Are they warrantied for 5 years initially, then 2 years after every RSC service?
Are you able to walk into any worldwide Turlex SC and get your watch seen to by a Turlex tech?

Answers are:
They can't, they didn't, they're not, they can't be, they're not, you can't

So not the same at all are they, what they are, are cheap fakes with stolen TM and IP