Tag Heuer watches vs. Rolex etc. - Young buyer

[kmpowell]

13m said:

kmpowell said:

13m said:

Not in black and white, no. But all the DJ2s I've seen, with or without flutes, have been a bit too unsubtle.

It's not black and white. DJ2 dials are Silver, Black, White, Blue, in a mix choice of stick or roman. So no gawdy colours there, the only gawdy can be teh bimetal DJ2.

But even so, remember your original post, you talked about the size being 'bling', not what colour it is...

That image is black and white.

It tones down the PCLs and generally reduces the impact as it were.

It is. It black and white. Go onto the Rolex website and see for yourself. It's a SS DJ 116300 with the silver dial.

[13m]

kmpowell said:

13m said:

kmpowell said:

13m said:

Not in black and white, no. But all the DJ2s I've seen, with or without flutes, have been a bit too unsubtle.

It's not black and white. DJ2 dials are Silver, Black, White, Blue, in a mix choice of stick or roman. So no gawdy colours there, the only gawdy can be teh bimetal DJ2.

But even so, remember your original post, you talked about the size being 'bling', not what colour it is...

That image is black and white.

It tones down the PCLs and generally reduces the impact as it were.

It is. It black and white. Go onto the Rolex website and see for yourself. It's a SS DJ 116300 with the silver dial.

I don't doubt you, but it's black and white and 'shopped. The watch in the flesh looks quite different from that.

[Big_Dan]

Oh, that's my watch

You've cheered me up, as whilst I love it, I didn't realise it had a 2nd hand value that high!

[CardShark]

OP - there's 'nout wrong in either your son or your good self seeking opinion or asking about options within a price range and it's great that he's getting out there and trying plenty on. The way I see it is that if he's buying it as a reward to himself then heart should trump head when it comes to making a decision and it shouldn't matter one jot if it's a TAG, Rolex or a Casio that sings to him.

[traffman]

Omg this thread is making me feel old!

I am biased toward's Rolex . Owned other brands. Plenty of time for a nice Submariner or GMT when he's older. Breitling Heritage is a nice watch , defined with classic looks.

It's varying in price Pre owned. And there are a number of variation's , i.e steel on steel , leather strap and so on. Investment wise/holding it's value , sadly not really with a Breitling , but you'll get a decent figure come exchanging it for something of higher value.

Try and narrow it down to a few brand's , and go over s few model's from each brand. Good luck.

[DJMC]

SirSquidalot said:

Im 23 with a mature head! I found myself in a similar position last year, in the end I purchased a 16600 Rolex SeaDweller as it was my perfect idea of a watch.

May I suggest a few that are on my to buy list:

• Junghans Max Bill Chronoscope
• Sinn 157
• Tudor Blackbay
• Heuer Pasadena

Has he also considered having a look at Christopher Ward or Steinhart?

Yes it isnt the brand of Tag or Rolex but they do make some lovely pieces.

For instance this is a lovely watch: https://www.steinhartwatches.de/en/premium-line/oc...

Steinhart looks good, but I know nothing about them as a maker (nor the others you list). Are Steinhart "up and coming"? How does build quality and finish compare with the top brands?

[nikaiyo2]

Has he considered a Panerai?

[DJMC]

nikaiyo2 said:

Has he considered a Panerai?

Tell us more? Which model/s? More about the brand?

Thanks.

Found the web site. He prefers metal bracelets. Can't see any. Actually, it's a bit of a naff site!

Edited by DJMC on Thursday 12th January 22:43

[battered]

kmpowell said:

13m said:

kmpowell said:

13m said:

Not in black and white, no. But all the DJ2s I've seen, with or without flutes, have been a bit too unsubtle.

It's not black and white. DJ2 dials are Silver, Black, White, Blue, in a mix choice of stick or roman. So no gawdy colours there, the only gawdy can be teh bimetal DJ2.

But even so, remember your original post, you talked about the size being 'bling', not what colour it is...

That image is black and white.

It tones down the PCLs and generally reduces the impact as it were.

It is. It black and white. Go onto the Rolex website and see for yourself. It's a SS DJ 116300 with the silver dial.

Bling isn't about size or colour or one individual aspect, it's about design language. Just like some small cars can look aggressive while some large ones look friendly, some small watches can be bling while large ones are not.

[DJMC]

Just going against my own words and looking at Omega (for me, not him).

What's the difference between Seamaster 300M and 300M co-axial please?

Thanks.

[SirSquidalot]

DJMC said:

Steinhart looks good, but I know nothing about them as a maker (nor the others you list). Are Steinhart "up and coming"? How does build quality and finish compare with the top brands?

Steinhart aren't really a well known brand, they do however make very good quality watches for the money. It isn't Rolex quality but I'd say it's still a very good piece. They are well regarded on the internet and seem to be as reliable as the high end stuff.

[glazbagun]

DJMC said:

Just going against my own words and looking at Omega (for me, not him).

What's the difference between Seamaster 300M and 300M co-axial please?

Thanks.

If it doesn't have Co-Axial on the dial it will be the older 1120 movement which is based on the ETA 2892 used by lots of watchmakers. The Cal 2500 is a coaxial (different escapement) modification of the same caliber and had some teething trouble.

The 8500 cal (don't know if this is in any SM300's) is apparently a whole bunchlot better but, being brand new, also has some ear ly troubles.

[stuno1]

glazbagun said:

If it doesn't have Co-Axial on the dial it will be the older 1120 movement which is based on the ETA 2892 used by lots of watchmakers. The Cal 2500 is a coaxial (different escapement) modification of the same caliber and had some teething trouble.

The 8500 cal (don't know if this is in any SM300's) is apparently a whole bunchlot better but, being brand new, also has some ear ly troubles.

Really? I have this movement in my aqua terra. What issues does it have? No issues with mine.

[glazbagun]

Nothing which will be a problem if serviced by Omega or someone with the right part supply and knowledge. The 2500 had a habit of stopping (again, this is a small proportion of movements, but volume makes it seem worse) and went through three revisions. I think problem watches have their entire escapements replaced by Omega as they're pretty fine things to adjust.

The 8500 has a twin barrel setup and I think had a teflon-esque coating on one when introduced. This hasn't worked as well as hoped so I think they replace the barrel with a more conventional one at service.

[scherzkeks]

13m said:

It's not the case diameter that matters, it's how it wears.

Precisely. Lug shape and the size of the face (not case) can make a 44 wear like a 41.

[scherzkeks]

traffman said:

Omg this thread is making me feel old!

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Investment wise/holding it's value , sadly not really with a Breitling , but you'll get a decent figure come exchanging it for something of higher value.

Try and narrow it down to a few brand's , and go over s few model's from each brand. Good luck.

Many won't go up like a Rolex, but most models level out with time, and I suspect the new ones with the BO1 will appreciate. On the used market, my Chrono SO is worth about what it cost new in '08.

[SturdyHSV]

I've always been a mature headed sort and very sensible with money. I don't like to buy anything unless it's exactly what I want, so would happily go without until the money is saved up etc.

I wanted to get a 'nice' watch and at 16ish saw a Rado Ceramica in a magazine which I thought looked fantastic, and was exactly what I wanted.

Alas it was ~£800 and I was washing dishes in a pub ready to pay for driving lessons etc...

By 23 I'd managed to justify it to myself that I didn't need to be quite so sensible, I already knew which Ceramica I wanted, and from an investment perspective, I merrily chucked £1,575 down the drain on a shiny quartz.

Do I care? No, it's my first proper watch, I'm never going to sell it, it is purely what I wanted and I've worn it every single day since January 2009*

• Yes it's been off to Rado for a 'service' a couple of times, but grant me some artistic licence please

I'd just echo the comments of let him get simply whatever he likes the most, sod investment potential as he'll probably never sell it.

[leginigel]

I had the same problem when my son was 18 again 6'2" rugby player wanted something that looked good so I got him a Omega Seamaster good on value and looks and he loved it,now at 21 next month been looking again and purchased a Panerai Luminor Marina,I've been a fan of Rolex for a long time but I have just started look at other makes and Panerrai hit the spot and would like one my self.

[Wills2]

DJMC said:

Just going against my own words and looking at Omega (for me, not him).

What's the difference between Seamaster 300M and 300M co-axial please?

Thanks.

Read this an experts view compares the 1120 2500 8500 will explain about the co-axial escapement the whos and whys.

http://www.ablogtowatch.com/watchmaker-compares-om...

All good movements as they describe, there really isn't a bad watch out there these days at this price level it's all down to what you like and can afford.

Just beware of personal opinion on here masquerading as fact, just like on the other forums on PH.

Edited by Wills2 on Friday 13th January 18:41

[lanky28]

I'm 21 and IMO theres nothing that compares to a rolex, they're the kind of watch that looks really smart without being in your face, i'd say there pretty timeless too, family members have had them for years and hold their value very well, designs don't change too much either, obviously its all down to personal preference though