Unexpected work bonus- which appreciating, robust watch

Unexpected work bonus- which appreciating, robust watch

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Sa Calobra

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37,195 posts

212 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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I was thinking the entry level Rolex? Or does a Omega Seamaster still hold it's value?

Would that fit the bill, relatively robust. Easy to polish back up any scratches etc. Good sized for a large wrist.

Edited by Sa Calobra on Monday 27th March 13:14

Nigel_O

2,906 posts

220 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Rolex Submariner is as robust as you could ever need, but Omegas are hardly fragile either

What's your budget?

simonr100

640 posts

118 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Rolex submariner. If appreciating in value is your main goal then go for a pre ceramic lv.

Sa Calobra

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37,195 posts

212 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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>5k. My view is it's alot of money but if I can 'enjoy' it without sticking it in savings I'd be happy.

tuffer

8,850 posts

268 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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IWC pilot Chrono, will probably not appreciate but you will never want to sell it anyway.

7184c

415 posts

92 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Submariner ceramic date or non date.

Get your name down for one at AD and buy using interest free credit or 0% credit card that way you can afford the watch that is slightly over your current cash budget.

jonby

5,357 posts

158 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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simonr100 said:
If appreciating in value is your main goal then go for a pre ceramic lv.
Interested to hear your further thoughts on this - I see that kermits seem to have gone up again recently

I wear one as my every day watch, it's in great condition and I have full box/papers/tags/receipts/etc. IIRC I bought it in c. 2006 - I've had it since new and it's been serviced twice

I also have the new sea dweller announced at Basel on order and I was considering chopping in my kermit for it when it arrives, but your post implies you still see significant opportunity for kermit values to rise ?

What's the general consensus on future kermit values and without the advantage of a crystal ball I know, but if it was purely from an investment point of view, kermit or 43mm SD ? I can either flip the SD when it arrives because I assume I'll be able to make at least something straight away, or chop in the LV, but I can't do both as I have two new cars arriving in the next 12 months .....1st world problems I know


Sa Calobra

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212 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Wheres/what's AD and what's a Kermit?

jonby

5,357 posts

158 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Sa Calobra said:
Wheres/what's AD and what's a Kermit?
AD is authorised dealer

kermit is the nickname for the pre ceramic sub with a green bezel (launched to celebrate the anniversary of the sub and designated LV). Hence the post I replied to that referred to a pre-ceramic LV, which is also known as kermit

hulk is the nickname for the ceramic bezel equivalent that replaced kermit, as that model has both a green dial and a green bezel

SD is sea dweller


Sa Calobra

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Monday 27th March 2017
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Ah! Thank you

funinhounslow

1,646 posts

143 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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I would have thought the GMT BLNR had a much greater chance of appreciating than a Sub. If you can get your hands on one that is.

However I would say you certainly can't guarantee this. Probably better to assume that any watch you buy is going to lose money and just buy what you like.

Btw the entry level Rolex is the OP. Arguably this is more "robust" than the Sub as it has the Paraflex shock absorption system which the Sub lacks oddly enough. It's more versatile than the Sub too.

ETA Sorry -BLNR - GMT with black and blue bezel

OP - Oyster perpetual 39mm

Edited by funinhounslow on Tuesday 28th March 08:09

VGTICE

1,003 posts

88 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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jonby said:
What's the general consensus on future kermit values and without the advantage of a crystal ball I know, but if it was purely from an investment point of view, kermit or 43mm SD ? I can either flip the SD when it arrives because I assume I'll be able to make at least something straight away, or chop in the LV, but I can't do both as I have two new cars arriving in the next 12 months .....1st world problems I know
The consensus is that kermit is a classic and they won't make more of them, so the market can't be diluted by supply of new pieces. New SD on the other hand is hot at the moment, same as Daytona was last year i.e. good for flipping. Unless you really like the new SD I'd flip it and keep the kermit indefinitely.

DJMC

3,438 posts

104 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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funinhounslow said:
I would have thought the GMT BLNR had a much greater chance of appreciating than a Sub. If you can get your hands on one that is.

However I would say you certainly can't guarantee this. Probably better to assume that any watch you buy is going to lose money and just buy what you like.

Btw the entry level Rolex is the OP. Arguably this is more "robust" than the Sub as it has the Paraflex shock absorption system which the Sub lacks oddly enough. It's more versatile than the Sub too.

ETA Sorry -BLNR - GMT with black and blue bezel

OP - Oyster perpetual 39mm

Edited by funinhounslow on Tuesday 28th March 08:09
In the real, long-term world, how will an OP fare against a Sub? I feel the diver look is in right now, but will the smaller, sleeker, dressier look come back again? I guess a Sub fits both every day and dressy wear nowadays whereas years ago it would have been frowned upon with a tux?

Is an OP now "below" a Sub, both in panache and future value?

funinhounslow

1,646 posts

143 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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DJMC said:
In the real, long-term world, how will an OP fare against a Sub? I feel the diver look is in right now, but will the smaller, sleeker, dressier look come back again? I guess a Sub fits both every day and dressy wear nowadays whereas years ago it would have been frowned upon with a tux?

Is an OP now "below" a Sub, both in panache and future value?
Well the OP is a couple of grand cheaper than the Sub so from that point of view it is "below" a Sub.

However it does have the history - Hillary wore one to Everest - and I would say it is more versatile. I don't think a diver's watch really goes with evening wear.

But the Sub is the quintessential Rolex in many people's eyes I think. Would probably make it easier to shift on if that's an issue. I have an OP and quite like the fact it's discreet and elegant.

If one is buying with an eye to future value the best thing to do is try and source a Daytona or GMT and leave it in a safe with the stickers on. Alternatively buy what you like best and trust that a steel Rolex is always going to be easy to sell on if required.

DJMC

3,438 posts

104 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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I have an OP DJ (Oyster Perpetual Datejust) as below and to me this is the archetypal Rolex, but recently I've been drawn toward the diver look and the Sub seems to be THE one, amongst all the other models and brands that would be my choice. It's the obvious choice really, for that look.



But although I can only wear one watch at a time, and therefore a p/ex would seem to be the best way to swap to a Sub, I have a soft spot for the DJ and couldn't let it go. So I'd then have two pricey watches, one in the safe, and that's not a good thing. I'd wonder if I was wearing the right Rolex, and perhaps once started I'd amass a "collection"!

I also like the GMT II with gold lettering but the Sub with black bezel would be my first choice. Classic.


Ascayman

12,760 posts

217 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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Im going to go against the grain here.

I have a sub, a Kermit in fact and I love it.

But....I have smallish wrists, you state that you have large wrists I think a sub may look a bot lost on a large wrist. id go for something bigger like a SD.

Sa Calobra

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37,195 posts

212 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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Sadly yes, I struggle with most straps. I'm not 'fat'. Just sturdy wrist'ed.

My Tag F1 from 1991 looks like a ladies watch on my wrist now

DJMC

3,438 posts

104 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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Ascayman said:
Im going to go against the grain here.

I have a sub, a Kermit in fact and I love it.

But....I have smallish wrists, you state that you have large wrists I think a sub may look a bot lost on a large wrist. id go for something bigger like a SD.
Isn't a SD slightly smaller (though thicker) than a Sub?

See: http://www.horobox.com/en/review-detail/?UserKey=B...

Ascayman

12,760 posts

217 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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DJMC said:
Ascayman said:
Im going to go against the grain here.

I have a sub, a Kermit in fact and I love it.

But....I have smallish wrists, you state that you have large wrists I think a sub may look a bot lost on a large wrist. id go for something bigger like a SD.
Isn't a SD slightly smaller (though thicker) than a Sub?

See: http://www.horobox.com/en/review-detail/?UserKey=B...
well the new one is 43mm but in that case the deep see then. Either way a pre ceramic sub will look too small on a large wrist imho.

DJMC

3,438 posts

104 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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Ascayman said:
well the new one is 43mm but in that case the deep see then. Either way a pre ceramic sub will look too small on a large wrist imho.
To the OP: Have you been and tried any of these watches? That's a must do, naturally, then you'll know what suits.