Have you bought one of those great looking Rolex/Omega fakes

[popeyewhite]

carlo996 said:

popeyewhite said:

No, they can't. Firstly only a Rolex dealer would have OE parts and secondly a Rolex dealer wouldn't touch a fake Rolex.

Begs the question: If you're that proud of a fake, why not just buy the real thing?

Perhaps he doesn’t want to spend the money on an overpriced stainless steel watch.

I guess there's always the illegal option for those who wish to take shortcuts.

[popeyewhite]

Zj2002 said:

popeyewhite said:

RSTurboPaul said:

Reputable in that they make a very high quality copy with good QC, that a buyer can rely on, rather than some cliché 'looky looky' beach seller flogging cheap crap that will leak as soon as you look at the sea.

Edited by RSTurboPaul on Sunday 21st April 12:34

Isn't a 'reputable copy' an oxymoron?

Presumably there's no industry standards for illegal copies so how do you know they're reputable? Anecdote? The man with the funny accent told you?

You don’t seem to understand what reputable means - the definition is “has a good reputation”.

Therefore whether you agree with copies or not, it is possible for the companies who produce the best copies to be reputable (I.e have a good reputation for their products).

When it takes inspection under a microscope to be be able to tell reputable copies and the real thing apart, it’s not a surprise that the manufacturers of the copies have a good reputation.

No one is this naive surely?

[Zj2002]

popeyewhite said:

No one is this naive surely?

What’s naive about what I’ve said?

I don’t have any Rolexes - but have seen comparison videos of clean factory copies on YouTube.

Nonetheless you don’t understand the word reputable.

[ashleyman]

popeyewhite said:

Gustavo7 said:

I can attest to that. Both my copies are the highest grade you can get, even the movements are a 1:1 copy and can be repaired using original parts.

No, they can't. Firstly only a Rolex dealer would have OE parts and secondly a Rolex dealer wouldn't touch a fake Rolex.

Begs the question: If you're that proud of a fake, why not just buy the real thing?

I have purchased OE parts from people other than Rolex. I also had those OE parts fitted by someone else other than Rolex, and that was on a genuine watch.

[popeyewhite]

ashleyman said:

popeyewhite said:

Gustavo7 said:

I can attest to that. Both my copies are the highest grade you can get, even the movements are a 1:1 copy and can be repaired using original parts.

No, they can't. Firstly only a Rolex dealer would have OE parts and secondly a Rolex dealer wouldn't touch a fake Rolex.

Begs the question: If you're that proud of a fake, why not just buy the real thing?

I have purchased OE parts from people other than Rolex. I also had those OE parts fitted by someone else other than Rolex, and that was on a genuine watch.

The thread concerns fake Rolexes, illegal copies. However why anyone would take a Rolex to somewhere non-Rolex is almost beyond me. However I concede if someone has inherited a vintage Rolex it may prove very costly for a service at a legitimate dealership and given the value of the watch a non-Rolex dealership might be a more feasible option.

[RSTurboPaul]

popeyewhite said:

ashleyman said:

popeyewhite said:

Gustavo7 said:

I can attest to that. Both my copies are the highest grade you can get, even the movements are a 1:1 copy and can be repaired using original parts.

No, they can't. Firstly only a Rolex dealer would have OE parts and secondly a Rolex dealer wouldn't touch a fake Rolex.

Begs the question: If you're that proud of a fake, why not just buy the real thing?

I have purchased OE parts from people other than Rolex. I also had those OE parts fitted by someone else other than Rolex, and that was on a genuine watch.

The thread concerns fake Rolexes, illegal copies. However why anyone would take a Rolex to somewhere non-Rolex is almost beyond me. However I concede if someone has inherited a vintage Rolex it may prove very costly for a service at a legitimate dealership and given the value of the watch a non-Rolex dealership might be a more feasible option.

Some people also want to remove risk of Rolex 'improving' their watch by polishing it or insisting on swapping parts with patina for sterile new parts.

Cost is usually a consideration for those mere peasants who fail at dominating the stairs like the powerfully built denizens of this forum do, whether vintage or newer. Do you only take your vehicle to a Main Dealer or do you use a good local garage using good quality parts?

[RSTurboPaul]

popeyewhite said:

carlo996 said:

popeyewhite said:

No, they can't. Firstly only a Rolex dealer would have OE parts and secondly a Rolex dealer wouldn't touch a fake Rolex.

Begs the question: If you're that proud of a fake, why not just buy the real thing?

Perhaps he doesn’t want to spend the money on an overpriced stainless steel watch.

I guess there's always the illegal option for those who wish to take shortcuts.

Shortcuts to what?

[RSTurboPaul]

popeyewhite said:

RSTurboPaul said:

Reputable in that they make a very high quality copy with good QC, that a buyer can rely on, rather than some cliché 'looky looky' beach seller flogging cheap crap that will leak as soon as you look at the sea.

Edited by RSTurboPaul on Sunday 21st April 12:34

Isn't a 'reputable copy' an oxymoron?

Presumably there's no industry standards for illegal copies so how do you know they're reputable? Anecdote? The man with the funny accent told you?

There are entire forums dedicated to the purchasing of replica/fake/copy watches (and handbags, as another example) - purchasers of said items are able to form opinions on quality of the items received, can share that experience/information with other forum members, and over time reputation is formed.

Quality has taken a massive step up in the past decade or so, and theoretically, it would now be possible to strip down a brand new watch, 3D scan all the parts and then manufacture copies using that method. I suspect this is already taking place to at least some extent, given some of the current output compared to the original items.

[popeyewhite]

RSTurboPaul said:

popeyewhite said:

ashleyman said:

popeyewhite said:

Gustavo7 said:

I can attest to that. Both my copies are the highest grade you can get, even the movements are a 1:1 copy and can be repaired using original parts.

No, they can't. Firstly only a Rolex dealer would have OE parts and secondly a Rolex dealer wouldn't touch a fake Rolex.

Begs the question: If you're that proud of a fake, why not just buy the real thing?

I have purchased OE parts from people other than Rolex. I also had those OE parts fitted by someone else other than Rolex, and that was on a genuine watch.

The thread concerns fake Rolexes, illegal copies. However why anyone would take a Rolex to somewhere non-Rolex is almost beyond me. However I concede if someone has inherited a vintage Rolex it may prove very costly for a service at a legitimate dealership and given the value of the watch a non-Rolex dealership might be a more feasible option.

Some people also want to remove risk of Rolex 'improving' their watch by polishing it or insisting on swapping parts with patina for sterile new parts.

Cost is usually a consideration for those mere peasants who fail at dominating the stairs like the powerfully built denizens of this forum do, whether vintage or newer. Do you only take your vehicle to a Main Dealer or do you use a good local garage using good quality parts?

I don't really know what to say here: if you can't afford something then either work harder or don't buy it. you want to throw your money away on an llegal copy? Up to you. How much is the resale value I wonder. The car analogy only works for older cars. Would I take a brand new car to an independent and void the warranty? Of course not.

[dom9]

By way of a tangent on fakes...

For anyone who follows Jose "Perezcope" on Instagram and online (https://perezcope.com/) and his expose of auction 'fakes' (well, mostly bitsa watches built from genuine parts to resemble an original, valuable watch as it left the factory) there is a very real problem in the industry with what constitutes real and replica.

Unlike a Chinese factory selling a £500 watch, some of these are being passed off in the millions, with inaccurate descriptions, etc.

[ashleyman]

popeyewhite said:

RSTurboPaul said:

popeyewhite said:

ashleyman said:

popeyewhite said:

Gustavo7 said:

I can attest to that. Both my copies are the highest grade you can get, even the movements are a 1:1 copy and can be repaired using original parts.

No, they can't. Firstly only a Rolex dealer would have OE parts and secondly a Rolex dealer wouldn't touch a fake Rolex.

Begs the question: If you're that proud of a fake, why not just buy the real thing?

I have purchased OE parts from people other than Rolex. I also had those OE parts fitted by someone else other than Rolex, and that was on a genuine watch.

The thread concerns fake Rolexes, illegal copies. However why anyone would take a Rolex to somewhere non-Rolex is almost beyond me. However I concede if someone has inherited a vintage Rolex it may prove very costly for a service at a legitimate dealership and given the value of the watch a non-Rolex dealership might be a more feasible option.

Some people also want to remove risk of Rolex 'improving' their watch by polishing it or insisting on swapping parts with patina for sterile new parts.

Cost is usually a consideration for those mere peasants who fail at dominating the stairs like the powerfully built denizens of this forum do, whether vintage or newer. Do you only take your vehicle to a Main Dealer or do you use a good local garage using good quality parts?

I don't really know what to say here: if you can't afford something then either work harder or don't buy it. you want to throw your money away on an llegal copy? Up to you. How much is the resale value I wonder. The car analogy only works for older cars. Would I take a brand new car to an independent and void the warranty? Of course not.

Whilst I don't know what the resale value is on a fake watch, the resale value on the OE parts is quite good. I bought some bezels a few years back in blistered packages and they are now worth more than I paid. The parts I had installed on my damaged watch, I went to a third party because I didn't want Rolex to put the watch in 'as new' condition and wanted to keep the look it currently has.

[carlo996]

popeyewhite said:

I don't really know what to say here: if you can't afford something then either work harder or don't buy it. you want to throw your money away on an llegal copy? Up to you. How much is the resale value I wonder. The car analogy only works for older cars. Would I take a brand new car to an independent and void the warranty? Of course not.

I am not sure why you have such a bee in your bonnet over what others choose? A 'shortcut' why would it be such a thing, what if it's their end game and they are very happy with a clone/copy/call it what you will? In fact you should be wearing a Squale not a submariner anyway if you are worried about authenticity. It's just snobbery. It's ok for you to buy a Golf R, and tune it, instead of doing to correct thing and buying a better Golf.....why would you throw your money away etc, etc, etc.......

[Zj2002]

popeyewhite said:

RSTurboPaul said:

popeyewhite said:

ashleyman said:

popeyewhite said:

Gustavo7 said:

I can attest to that. Both my copies are the highest grade you can get, even the movements are a 1:1 copy and can be repaired using original parts.

No, they can't. Firstly only a Rolex dealer would have OE parts and secondly a Rolex dealer wouldn't touch a fake Rolex.

Begs the question: If you're that proud of a fake, why not just buy the real thing?

I have purchased OE parts from people other than Rolex. I also had those OE parts fitted by someone else other than Rolex, and that was on a genuine watch.

The thread concerns fake Rolexes, illegal copies. However why anyone would take a Rolex to somewhere non-Rolex is almost beyond me. However I concede if someone has inherited a vintage Rolex it may prove very costly for a service at a legitimate dealership and given the value of the watch a non-Rolex dealership might be a more feasible option.

Some people also want to remove risk of Rolex 'improving' their watch by polishing it or insisting on swapping parts with patina for sterile new parts.

Cost is usually a consideration for those mere peasants who fail at dominating the stairs like the powerfully built denizens of this forum do, whether vintage or newer. Do you only take your vehicle to a Main Dealer or do you use a good local garage using good quality parts?

I don't really know what to say here: if you can't afford something then either work harder or don't buy it. you want to throw your money away on an llegal copy? Up to you. How much is the resale value I wonder. The car analogy only works for older cars. Would I take a brand new car to an independent and void the warranty? Of course not.

Throw your money away?

Do they not send you the watch?

[bigandclever]

I read Popeye's "shortcut" to mean nicking it off someone's wrist or whatever, not that it matters.

[carlo996]

bigandclever said:

I read Popeye's "shortcut" to mean nicking it off someone's wrist or whatever, not that it matters.

I thought he meant you should wait until you have the money......and are deemed 'worthy' by the AD

[popeyewhite]

carlo996 said:

bigandclever said:

I read Popeye's "shortcut" to mean nicking it off someone's wrist or whatever, not that it matters.

I thought he meant you should wait until you have the money......and are deemed 'worthy' by the AD

I just meant by shortcut any path a person takes to put a watch on their wrist that's illegal.

There does seem to be an undercurrent of resentment at the prices of these things and people may well have a point that the prices are artificially high. But isn't that what successful marketing aims to achieve? On the flip side some watches are quite cheap for what they are - Grand Seiko for instance. But people don't crave that marque because the marketing hasn't been so successful over the years and the name doesn't have the cache. Probably just as good mechanically though. Same with cars, Hi-Fi, kitchen units etc etc. People can just fall victim to the hype sometimes but personally I'd rather not own something than knowingly wear a cheap fake. I recall there used to be huge market for fake sunglasses a few years ago.

[carlo996]

popeyewhite said:

I just meant by shortcut any path a person takes to put a watch on their wrist that's illegal.

There does seem to be an undercurrent of resentment at the prices of these things and people may well have a point that the prices are artificially high. But isn't that what successful marketing aims to achieve? On the flip side some watches are quite cheap for what they are - Grand Seiko for instance. But people don't crave that marque because the marketing hasn't been so successful over the years and the name doesn't have the cache. Probably just as good mechanically though. Same with cars, Hi-Fi, kitchen units etc etc. People can just fall victim to the hype sometimes but personally I'd rather not own something than knowingly wear a cheap fake. I recall there used to be huge market for fake sunglasses a few years ago.

I think some objectivity should be employed tbh. Not sure where you are going with GS, surely the antithesis of Rolex? The point about hype is ironically good though, because you do seem to have fallen for some yourself?

Why do you drive a Golf R, a 'tuned one', and not a genuine Golf CS? Car snobs could well apply your logic and look down their noses at someone who drives a hatchback? But it works for you, as a clone does for others....

[Countdown]

popeyewhite said:

if you can't afford something then either work harder or don't buy it.

Why can't you buy a fake if that's what you want to do?

[Zoon]

popeyewhite said:

No, they can't. Firstly only a Rolex dealer would have OE parts and secondly a Rolex dealer wouldn't touch a fake Rolex.

Shows how little you know, OEM Rolex parts can be purchased from the internet if you know where to look.

[popeyewhite]

Countdown said:

popeyewhite said:

if you can't afford something then either work harder or don't buy it.

Why can't you buy a fake if that's what you want to do?

You can buy as many as you want in Turkey. Can't bring them back here though.