Discussion
HarryW said:
princeperch said:
srebbe64 said:
I travel a fair bit and a lot of the hotels / ships I stay at sell decent watches - and they fascinate me. The thing is, I've got a 20 year old crappy Casio. However, it keeps perfect time and never goes wrong. As such, when I look at decent watch I take my current one off, give it to the salesperson, and say "if you break my watch I'll buy a new one from you". No one has managed so far, despite some serious abuse. So I'll stick with my current one until someone manages to break it.
Funny you mention old Casios.
I was on a train from Guildford to Waterloo the other day and sat next to a youngish chap wearing a bespoke chalk stripe suit, signet ring, the works, with what appeared to be high end shoes with a mirror polish...
Yet he had on a battered Casio with a dirty Velcro strap, underneath his perfect cuffs with Mont blanc cufflinks.
It not the first time I’ve seen someone who was, odds on, a city boy with a very cheap watch.
Perhaps he was old money, perhaps he didn’t give a shit, but it made me smile....
Nothing wrong with Casio's
. Re the battered velcro strapped one with shiny shoes, assuming he wasn;t too young and had long hair. I would have button holed him as an Army Officer working at MoD rather than a city type myself.
You know what, as it happened - he had a pretty old rucksack as well not a briefcase, so you might well be right...
princeperch said:
HarryW said:
princeperch said:
srebbe64 said:
I travel a fair bit and a lot of the hotels / ships I stay at sell decent watches - and they fascinate me. The thing is, I've got a 20 year old crappy Casio. However, it keeps perfect time and never goes wrong. As such, when I look at decent watch I take my current one off, give it to the salesperson, and say "if you break my watch I'll buy a new one from you". No one has managed so far, despite some serious abuse. So I'll stick with my current one until someone manages to break it.
Funny you mention old Casios.
I was on a train from Guildford to Waterloo the other day and sat next to a youngish chap wearing a bespoke chalk stripe suit, signet ring, the works, with what appeared to be high end shoes with a mirror polish...
Yet he had on a battered Casio with a dirty Velcro strap, underneath his perfect cuffs with Mont blanc cufflinks.
It not the first time I’ve seen someone who was, odds on, a city boy with a very cheap watch.
Perhaps he was old money, perhaps he didn’t give a shit, but it made me smile....
Nothing wrong with Casio's
. Re the battered velcro strapped one with shiny shoes, assuming he wasn;t too young and had long hair. I would have button holed him as an Army Officer working at MoD rather than a city type myself.
You know what, as it happened - he had a pretty old rucksack as well not a briefcase, so you might well be right...
Or, of course, it could have been me.
srebbe64 said:
princeperch said:
HarryW said:
princeperch said:
srebbe64 said:
I travel a fair bit and a lot of the hotels / ships I stay at sell decent watches - and they fascinate me. The thing is, I've got a 20 year old crappy Casio. However, it keeps perfect time and never goes wrong. As such, when I look at decent watch I take my current one off, give it to the salesperson, and say "if you break my watch I'll buy a new one from you". No one has managed so far, despite some serious abuse. So I'll stick with my current one until someone manages to break it.
Funny you mention old Casios.
I was on a train from Guildford to Waterloo the other day and sat next to a youngish chap wearing a bespoke chalk stripe suit, signet ring, the works, with what appeared to be high end shoes with a mirror polish...
Yet he had on a battered Casio with a dirty Velcro strap, underneath his perfect cuffs with Mont blanc cufflinks.
It not the first time I’ve seen someone who was, odds on, a city boy with a very cheap watch.
Perhaps he was old money, perhaps he didn’t give a shit, but it made me smile....
Nothing wrong with Casio's
. Re the battered velcro strapped one with shiny shoes, assuming he wasn;t too young and had long hair. I would have button holed him as an Army Officer working at MoD rather than a city type myself.
You know what, as it happened - he had a pretty old rucksack as well not a briefcase, so you might well be right...
Or, of course, it could have been me.
he was only a handful of years older than myself Steve so I don't think he would have been!
princeperch said:
srebbe64 said:
princeperch said:
HarryW said:
princeperch said:
srebbe64 said:
I travel a fair bit and a lot of the hotels / ships I stay at sell decent watches - and they fascinate me. The thing is, I've got a 20 year old crappy Casio. However, it keeps perfect time and never goes wrong. As such, when I look at decent watch I take my current one off, give it to the salesperson, and say "if you break my watch I'll buy a new one from you". No one has managed so far, despite some serious abuse. So I'll stick with my current one until someone manages to break it.
Funny you mention old Casios.
I was on a train from Guildford to Waterloo the other day and sat next to a youngish chap wearing a bespoke chalk stripe suit, signet ring, the works, with what appeared to be high end shoes with a mirror polish...
Yet he had on a battered Casio with a dirty Velcro strap, underneath his perfect cuffs with Mont blanc cufflinks.
It not the first time I’ve seen someone who was, odds on, a city boy with a very cheap watch.
Perhaps he was old money, perhaps he didn’t give a shit, but it made me smile....
Nothing wrong with Casio's
. Re the battered velcro strapped one with shiny shoes, assuming he wasn;t too young and had long hair. I would have button holed him as an Army Officer working at MoD rather than a city type myself.
You know what, as it happened - he had a pretty old rucksack as well not a briefcase, so you might well be right...
Or, of course, it could have been me.
he was only a handful of years older than myself Steve so I don't think he would have been!
Fair enough, maybe it was my son.
I've an Explorer II, it consistantly gains about two minutes over a month or so, but that's accurate enough for me. Personally not into the more ostentatious watches and bought mine for a lifetime (touch wood).
For accuracy to the second you need to go electric and even better, self-adjusting radio captor type. No mechanical watch will beat that by definition but for me personaly I like the mechanical aspects in this day and age....
For accuracy to the second you need to go electric and even better, self-adjusting radio captor type. No mechanical watch will beat that by definition but for me personaly I like the mechanical aspects in this day and age....
Edited by andy_s on Monday 12th March 08:24
cyberface said:
Most other *chronographs* use the old Valjoux 7750 (now bought by ETA) movement, there are very few chronograph movements. Even IWC use that movement but heavily modified.
Dubois-Depraz, Kelek, Piguet, Patek, Lemania, Rolex, ETA, Omega and Zenith all make automatic chronograph movements in addition to Valjoux.
/watchgeek
For accuracy a 99p digital off the market will keep better time than a Rolex.
If I remember the "Official Cronometer" certification simply means the watch has to be accurate to within 3 or so seconds a day.
Rolex do make nice watches, and AIUI they still produce almost everything themselves, but I can't help but think they're a bit like BMW where these days there are simply too many of them about.
If I remember the "Official Cronometer" certification simply means the watch has to be accurate to within 3 or so seconds a day.
Rolex do make nice watches, and AIUI they still produce almost everything themselves, but I can't help but think they're a bit like BMW where these days there are simply too many of them about.
Reason for the apparent uplift in price over the other steel sports watches is the SS yachtmaster has some platinum in the bezel.
As you seem to travel a bit the SS Explorer 2 may be the one to go for as a you have a second hour hand with a 24hr sweep. Similar to the GMT series but with a plain stainless bezel.
As you seem to travel a bit the SS Explorer 2 may be the one to go for as a you have a second hour hand with a 24hr sweep. Similar to the GMT series but with a plain stainless bezel.
Edited by dazren on Monday 12th March 13:19
To the person above who muses as to whether there're too many Rolexs about, well, I suppose this calls into question the whole rationale for buying a high-end mechanical watch in the first place.
I see no reason for coveting something a little more out-of-the-ordinary, though. Instead of a Lange or Patek, why not consider a Dufour? The finishing surpasses even that of the two aforementioned brands, the downside is that I believe the waiting list for a Simplicity presently stretches into several years. There are some excellent watchmakers listed here on the AHCI (www.ahci.ch/mitglieder.asp?sprache=e&gruppe=Mitglieder&seite=) site.
I see no reason for coveting something a little more out-of-the-ordinary, though. Instead of a Lange or Patek, why not consider a Dufour? The finishing surpasses even that of the two aforementioned brands, the downside is that I believe the waiting list for a Simplicity presently stretches into several years. There are some excellent watchmakers listed here on the AHCI (www.ahci.ch/mitglieder.asp?sprache=e&gruppe=Mitglieder&seite=) site.
Bennem said:
What about the movements from Sinn?
BTW what damage will it do to a chronometer to leave the chronometer function running? I guess just wear it out and because the watch is doing two things continuously strain the mechanism?
BTW what damage will it do to a chronometer to leave the chronometer function running? I guess just wear it out and because the watch is doing two things continuously strain the mechanism?
Right. A CHRONOMETER is a measurement of accuracy. A CHRONOGRAPH is the stopwatch function you allude to.
Oh, and Sinn are fabulous, but they don't manujfacture any movements - They use ETA and Valjoux.
dazren said:
Reason for the apparent uplift in price over the other steel sports watches is the SS yachtmaster has some platinum in the bezel.
As you seem to travel a bit the SS Explorer 2 may be the one to go for as a you have a second hour hand with a 24hr sweep. Similar to the GMT series but with a plain stainless bezel.
As you seem to travel a bit the SS Explorer 2 may be the one to go for as a you have a second hour hand with a 24hr sweep. Similar to the GMT series but with a plain stainless bezel.
Edited by dazren on Monday 12th March 13:19
It would be nice if they diid the Yachtmaster design without platinum in the bezel, but, alas, they do not.
The explorer II is very nice too, but, were they the same price, I'd probably pick the yachtmaster, so it is a difficult choice.
As I am definitely not about to buy a Rolex, though, it is definitely academic.
Definitely.
swerni said:
I would go along with this.
I have a submariner and before that a GMT
Wife has a Yacht Master
and none of them are great at keeping time
Having said that still think they are great watches and in August the replacement for the submariner finally arrives
and yes it's another rolex
I have a submariner and before that a GMT
Wife has a Yacht Master
and none of them are great at keeping time
Having said that still think they are great watches and in August the replacement for the submariner finally arrives
and yes it's another rolex
It is strange to me, that I used to think that they did not look nice, and now suddenly find myself thinking that they really do look great.
Jewellery for men. Cool.
Edited by northernboy on Monday 12th March 22:04
justayellowbadge said:
cyberface said:
Most other *chronographs* use the old Valjoux 7750 (now bought by ETA) movement, there are very few chronograph movements. Even IWC use that movement but heavily modified.
Dubois-Depraz, Kelek, Piguet, Patek, Lemania, Rolex, ETA, Omega and Zenith all make automatic chronograph movements in addition to Valjoux.
/watchgeek
My zeno watch basel has a 7750 movement and its quite accurate although not to a second so is that Made by ETA? gains around 2 secs a day last time I checked.
My quartz Omega is pathetic for time keepin gains around a minute a week.
My most accurate watch is a Seko Pilots watch which gains between 1-2seconds a month!
My mechanicle hand wind watches gain aroud 40 seconds a day
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Edited by pesty on Monday 12th March 21:59
justayellowbadge said:
cyberface said:
Most other *chronographs* use the old Valjoux 7750 (now bought by ETA) movement, there are very few chronograph movements. Even IWC use that movement but heavily modified.
Dubois-Depraz, Kelek, Piguet, Patek, Lemania, Rolex, ETA, Omega and Zenith all make automatic chronograph movements in addition to Valjoux.
/watchgeek
Also G-P I think and JLC.
I've owned the same Breitling for a few years now, albeit as far as Breitlings go fairly modest at £2.2k after owning an Omega seamaster. With the exception of them putting a new battery in (which was due - about 4 yrs in) - which lasted about 2 months(!), its been bullet proof.
It comes flying with me every day (a very dry environment), been through 500 skydives, paragliding, moutaineering, skiing, the bloody lot, absolutely faultlessly. I'm not one to sync the time very often, so its good to see that after a good 2-3 months, its never been more than 2 seconds out. I found those levels of accuracy superceeded my Omega. It wasn't a concern with that either, just something i've noticed with this.
Not to everyones taste though, as they're not exactly subtle, and are very detaily, but the craftsmanship and the style afforded to it as a result of pure functionality are impressive. Given the battering its had, its got its fair share of minor marks on the strap, and I'm tempted to get it refurbed, but the other half of me wants to keep it as a 'dog of war' piece, as its got a little more character to it. Maybe one day I'll be able to buy myself another slightly more elegant one for those uber smart occasions I never get invited to!!
It comes flying with me every day (a very dry environment), been through 500 skydives, paragliding, moutaineering, skiing, the bloody lot, absolutely faultlessly. I'm not one to sync the time very often, so its good to see that after a good 2-3 months, its never been more than 2 seconds out. I found those levels of accuracy superceeded my Omega. It wasn't a concern with that either, just something i've noticed with this.
Not to everyones taste though, as they're not exactly subtle, and are very detaily, but the craftsmanship and the style afforded to it as a result of pure functionality are impressive. Given the battering its had, its got its fair share of minor marks on the strap, and I'm tempted to get it refurbed, but the other half of me wants to keep it as a 'dog of war' piece, as its got a little more character to it. Maybe one day I'll be able to buy myself another slightly more elegant one for those uber smart occasions I never get invited to!!
justayellowbadge said:
Bennem said:
What about the movements from Sinn?
BTW what damage will it do to a chronometer to leave the chronometer function running? I guess just wear it out and because the watch is doing two things continuously strain the mechanism?
BTW what damage will it do to a chronometer to leave the chronometer function running? I guess just wear it out and because the watch is doing two things continuously strain the mechanism?
Right. A CHRONOMETER is a measurement of accuracy. A CHRONOGRAPH is the stopwatch function you allude to.
Oh, and Sinn are fabulous, but they don't manujfacture any movements - They use ETA and Valjoux.
Um, isn't a CHRONOMETER an accurate watch, while a CHRONOGRAPH is a watch with a stopwatch function? After establishing your definitions you also neglected to answer the question. I'm no horologist but it appears from a (very) brief investigation that running the chronograph will not affect the movement in an automatic watch.
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