Fake Rolex, Justified ?
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I was recently reading about the Rolex 'Deep Sea Special', the article had no illustration so I scuttled off to find one.
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sneijder] said:
Blimey, 32,789 FEET/10908 METERS rating, was they just playing safe I wonder, looks like a mini flying saucer from the side.
Vipers said:
sneijder] said:
Blimey, 32,789 FEET/10908 METERS rating, was they just playing safe I wonder, looks like a mini flying saucer from the side.Vipers said:
dr_gn said:
Out of interest, do you know how much they go for these days?
Last valuation just over 2.5kI paid just under £1700 brand new for my Explorer I back in 1997, might only lose a couple of hundred on it if I was lucky, so that's not too bad depreciation over 12 years!
dr_gn said:
Vipers said:
sneijder] said:
Blimey, 32,789 FEET/10908 METERS rating, was they just playing safe I wonder, looks like a mini flying saucer from the side.Even commercial divers don't usually bother with a writs watch, the Diving Supersisor topside keeps time on the dive.
Vipers said:
dr_gn said:
Vipers said:
sneijder] said:
Blimey, 32,789 FEET/10908 METERS rating, was they just playing safe I wonder, looks like a mini flying saucer from the side.Even commercial divers don't usually bother with a writs watch, the Diving Supersisor topside keeps time on the dive.
sneijder said:
They sent some down the Mariana (sp ?) Trench in the 60's, don't think Sinn can boast that with the UX.
That's something I'd like Sinn to prove. Otherwise the claim that the watch is 'indestructible' is all mouth and no trousers.They need to get their trousers on and sling one down the Trench to see what happens.
Personally - I think the Sinn will work. They've taken an entirely different approach to the problem - instead of making it massively strong to deal with the fact that the case contains compressible air, they've just filled the case with non-compressible oil. There's no real reason to suppose that any forces will be put on the watch case since there won't be any pressure differentials, no?
Still, Sinn need to prove this.
I agree, I thought the UX was the first until I found this.
The Rolex approach is rather brute force, and I would guess the technology wasn't around then to oil fill cases with no bubbles.
Our physics teacher explained forces exerted by using the example of an elephant wearing stilettoes, maybe they could do that if no-ones heading out to the trench soon.
The Rolex approach is rather brute force, and I would guess the technology wasn't around then to oil fill cases with no bubbles.
Our physics teacher explained forces exerted by using the example of an elephant wearing stilettoes, maybe they could do that if no-ones heading out to the trench soon.
sneijder said:
I agree, I thought the UX was the first until I found this.
The Rolex approach is rather brute force, and I would guess the technology wasn't around then to oil fill cases with no bubbles.
Our physics teacher explained forces exerted by using the example of an elephant wearing stilettoes, maybe they could do that if no-ones heading out to the trench soon.
The thing is that with the Sinn approach, the watch is part of the stiletto heel... I reckon it'd be fine, just like a bottle of water would be fine at enormous depths.The Rolex approach is rather brute force, and I would guess the technology wasn't around then to oil fill cases with no bubbles.
Our physics teacher explained forces exerted by using the example of an elephant wearing stilettoes, maybe they could do that if no-ones heading out to the trench soon.
The oil filling isn't Sinns proprietry tech, and they had it in the EZM2 before the UX. There're lots of pics of commercial divers (~150m) wearing SDs too plus a few with SDs stuck to ROVs to deeper depths.
I'm not sure who first used the oil filling though, I'm off for a google.
The sub, SD and explorer are the workhorses of the Rolex range and I think deserve their reputation and made Rolex's.
The Sinn U2 (2,000m) is interesting as an alternative but there are fair few simpler 2,000m rated watches cnc'ed in China nowadays though - not the best IMO but cheap certainly.
I'm not sure who first used the oil filling though, I'm off for a google.
The sub, SD and explorer are the workhorses of the Rolex range and I think deserve their reputation and made Rolex's.
The Sinn U2 (2,000m) is interesting as an alternative but there are fair few simpler 2,000m rated watches cnc'ed in China nowadays though - not the best IMO but cheap certainly.
I was getting at 10k depth testing... my IWC is rated to 2000m so Sinn claiming that isn't amazing given that the IWC has air inside it.
Rolex did an amazing job with their Deep Sea prototypes and that's why the Sub is by far the most common watch worn by financial professionals (yeah, no connection - but it's always the Sub, and out of the guys I work with, loads have Subs)
However 2000m is impressive, but the bottom of the Mariana Trench is more than 10,000m IIRC and a tougher test. I'd like to see whether Sinn's oil-filled watches are as 'indestructible' as they claim.
At the end of the day it's all willy waving since no human divers are going to be actually *in the water* wearing their wristwatches below 200 or 300m as pointed out above. The idea of a human diver at 2000m is pretty silly if my knowledge of pressures is correct, and you only need a wristwatch if you're swimming (otherwise, inside a sub, an instrument panel will suffice). IIRC, a human swimming at 10,000m (i.e. bottom of the Mariana Trench) would be destroyed as every air-filled cavity in the body would collapse.
And as even Chinese counterfeit Rolex Sea Dwellers are now certified to 100m, you don't need to spend Rolex money to work as a commercial diver...
Rolex did an amazing job with their Deep Sea prototypes and that's why the Sub is by far the most common watch worn by financial professionals
(yeah, no connection - but it's always the Sub, and out of the guys I work with, loads have Subs)However 2000m is impressive, but the bottom of the Mariana Trench is more than 10,000m IIRC and a tougher test. I'd like to see whether Sinn's oil-filled watches are as 'indestructible' as they claim.
At the end of the day it's all willy waving since no human divers are going to be actually *in the water* wearing their wristwatches below 200 or 300m as pointed out above. The idea of a human diver at 2000m is pretty silly if my knowledge of pressures is correct, and you only need a wristwatch if you're swimming (otherwise, inside a sub, an instrument panel will suffice). IIRC, a human swimming at 10,000m (i.e. bottom of the Mariana Trench) would be destroyed as every air-filled cavity in the body would collapse.
And as even Chinese counterfeit Rolex Sea Dwellers are now certified to 100m, you don't need to spend Rolex money to work as a commercial diver...
cyberface said:
you don't need to spend Rolex money to work as a commercial diver...
Exactly, when commercial diving, the Diving Supervisor will tell you when its time to come back to the bell, or stage if air diving.No one I know wears a watch on the outside of their hot water suit when commercial diving in the oil and gas industry.
They may have one in the living chamber when they return from the dive.
Vipers said:
cyberface said:
you don't need to spend Rolex money to work as a commercial diver...
Exactly, when commercial diving, the Diving Supervisor will tell you when its time to come back to the bell, or stage if air diving.No one I know wears a watch on the outside of their hot water suit when commercial diving in the oil and gas industry.
They may have one in the living chamber when they return from the dive.
What do you reckon would be caused by, say, silly 'extreme' watersports like waterskiing or wakeboarding or skimming on those rubber rings behind a powerboat? Obviously the static depth wouldn't be more than a metre... but the pressure of water bashing against your watch as you're being manly and extreme
must be equivalent to *some* depth...cyberface said:
Vipers said:
cyberface said:
you don't need to spend Rolex money to work as a commercial diver...
Exactly, when commercial diving, the Diving Supervisor will tell you when its time to come back to the bell, or stage if air diving.No one I know wears a watch on the outside of their hot water suit when commercial diving in the oil and gas industry.
They may have one in the living chamber when they return from the dive.
What do you reckon would be caused by, say, silly 'extreme' watersports like waterskiing or wakeboarding or skimming on those rubber rings behind a powerboat? Obviously the static depth wouldn't be more than a metre... but the pressure of water bashing against your watch as you're being manly and extreme
must be equivalent to *some* depth...would probably take your arm off
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