real or fake

[JAM35F]

£5k is a nice amount to have but I think the most important thing is to find something YOU like. And if that costs 5k great, you can afford it. But if it costs £1k and you really like it even better, a watch YOU love and some change!

Always makes me laugh on these forums when someone says I have £x to spend on a car or watch (for example), what shall I get? Main thing is to find something you like and think about cost second (when you have a large budget!). Then consider future investment value, I'd say this element is more important if you spend the top end of your budget, less so at the lower end maybe.

Above all find what YOU like, afterall it'll be on your wrist for years, so make the right decision. You are in a a position most of us would envy so take your time and enjoy the opportunity you have trying on as many watches as you can. You will know which one to buy when you see it.

For my money I'd look at 1970s/80s Rolexs or Omegas as they are already appreciating in value but then I love divers style watches and have always wanted one, you may not so enjoy finding your style. Then let us know what you get!!!

[cyberface]

piquetuk said:

/\ /\ I guess that's the joy of being an enthusiast, as with cars it comes down to personal taste in the end. Also I have been brainwashed by a Friend who loves Rolex above all others, so I blame him for my Rolexccentrisity

Have you seen the new/old Tudor Chrono?



I think it looks great!

STOP right there chap... is this a 'teaser' from Rolex or are they making a re-issue of the Tudor Chrono, *with* a date??? And will it be available on a proper steel Oyster bracelet (not a problem if not, as long as the lugs are normal Sub / Daytona size, as I can get hold of a bracelet easily enough and I'd probably want a FrankenRolexOyster bracelet anyway - the latest clasp is ingenious and superbly comfortable, but I'd need it connected to an 'old-size' Oyster bracelet)?

If that's actually available, and not another steel-Daytona 'sorry sir, there's a waiting list... yawn' marketing game, then as long as the price is reasonable then I'm seriously thinking of buying one. What movement does it use? The current Rolex auto chrono in the Daytona doesn't have room for a date complication does it? Rolex / Tudor aren't using VJ7750s are they (shudder)?

Seriously - I wouldn't want it on the NATO, however 'original' it may have been - but on a normal Oyster bracelet that *really* appeals to me. Tell me more!!!!

aeropilot said:

cyberface said:

but to me the only point of owning a '74 Sub over a newish Sub (i.e. not the latest model, which is a bit clunky) would be the investment appeal. And *then* I'd prefer it to be kept in a box as constant wear could reduce its value, no?

No.

That's like buying a classic car and not driving it, and keeping it tucked away in a vacuum carcoon because you don't want to risk the investment potential

Yes, if you look at it like that, I agree. But I don't really see watches as an investment, neither do I see cars as investments - I was thinking as if I was being 'forced' to see the watch as an investment, if you see what I mean. I wasn't very clear. That said, I've just had a valuation document sent to me by my jeweller regarding my JLC reverso and I'm starting to worry whether I should be using it as a daily wear!!!!

andy_s said:

That Breuget is laaaaarvely, simple and effective, very classy.

Many thanks chap Oddly enough it doesn't scream 'Breguet' at you, it doesn't really have any of the classic styling cues of Breguets of old, so in that respect I bought it purely on the complication, the name / history / tradition and how the watch looked. I'd like a better bracelet on it, but the watch itself is gorgeous, and even better up close than it looks in pictures. I love how understated it is!

[Odie]

How about buying 2 watches? A daily wear watch (something swiss and about £1000, omega, tag, whatever) and then get a vintage dress watch for best with the rest.

I know its going to make it harder for you picking 2 watches but take your time, their is no rush

[andy_s]

^ that's a good way of thinking; it's what I'd do if I had that to play with and wasn't forced into buying only one. A nice Sinn for a daily and something like a universal geneve vintage for going to the opera.

[cyberface]

andy_s said:

^ that's a good way of thinking; it's what I'd do if I had that to play with and wasn't forced into buying only one. A nice Sinn for a daily and something like a universal geneve vintage for going to the opera.

That'd be *much* easier though - the real tug-of-war for me (and I suppose many watch enthusiasts) is between the practical 'tool' watches, and the fantastico-complications which are often only wearable at evening dos. Allow one 'dress' watch and one 'sport' watch and you've got the main bases covered, I'd make a random guess that 75% of the usual posters on here would choose an Omega / Rolex / Sinn as their daily 'sport' watch (maybe a few would pick a Seiko) The *dress* watch choice would show a far more varied set of tastes IMO.

That's why it's so damn hard to choose one watch only that does it all (more or less), and why the usual classics keep on coming around.

I've just googled that damn Tudor and it's a 2010 'new edition' so the chances of being able to acquire one at a reasonable price have to be close to zero, I'd have thought

[ShadownINja]

aeropilot said:

cyberface said:

but to me the only point of owning a '74 Sub over a newish Sub (i.e. not the latest model, which is a bit clunky) would be the investment appeal. And *then* I'd prefer it to be kept in a box as constant wear could reduce its value, no?

No.

That's like buying a classic car and not driving it, and keeping it tucked away in a vacuum carcoon because you don't want to risk the investment potential

Aye. If you're not going to wear/drive it, you might as well buy a lot of RBS shares for all the enjoyment you'll get.

[aberdeeneuan]

Personally, for that budget I'd be buying more than one watch.

As others have said, a nice daily wearer and a dress watch would be what I'd be doing with that kind of budget. Personally I have Seiko auto and an Omega Aqua Terra that get daily duty and a Tag Monaco for dress, but if I had the cash I'd be getting something like a IWC Portuguese chrono, or a Rolex SD.

[piquetuk]

cyberface said:

piquetuk said:

/\ /\ I guess that's the joy of being an enthusiast, as with cars it comes down to personal taste in the end. Also I have been brainwashed by a Friend who loves Rolex above all others, so I blame him for my Rolexccentrisity

Have you seen the new/old Tudor Chrono?



I think it looks great!

STOP right there chap... is this a 'teaser' from Rolex or are they making a re-issue of the Tudor Chrono, *with* a date??? And will it be available on a proper steel Oyster bracelet (not a problem if not, as long as the lugs are normal Sub / Daytona size, as I can get hold of a bracelet easily enough and I'd probably want a FrankenRolexOyster bracelet anyway - the latest clasp is ingenious and superbly comfortable, but I'd need it connected to an 'old-size' Oyster bracelet)?

If that's actually available, and not another steel-Daytona 'sorry sir, there's a waiting list... yawn' marketing game, then as long as the price is reasonable then I'm seriously thinking of buying one. What movement does it use? The current Rolex auto chrono in the Daytona doesn't have room for a date complication does it? Rolex / Tudor aren't using VJ7750s are they (shudder)?

Seriously - I wouldn't want it on the NATO, however 'original' it may have been - but on a normal Oyster bracelet that *really* appeals to me. Tell me more!!!!

http://www.tudorwatch.com/

Lovely flash film at Tudorwatch.com

http://watch-happening.blogspot.com/2010/03/baselw...

About £2500, available 3rd Quarter I think. Orders being taken. SS strap comes with it

Edited by piquetuk on Wednesday 14th April 22:59

Edited by piquetuk on Thursday 15th April 17:54

[LukeBird]

^^ Supposedly already available in certain places (Paris springs to mind).
Apparently the set comes with a NATO and another strap (will have to find where I was reading it, can't remember if it was a bracelet or strap).

Movement isn't particularly special (it's an ETA with a module on it AFAIR) but to be honest for the looks, the chrono, the date and a reasonableish price I could probably forgive it that!

[B0LLIKS]

hi all, well it seems like there is more to buying a watch than first thought. i origonaly was after some advice on an easy way to spot a fake as i was going to try my luck on e-bay for a second hand watch, but now having thought a bit more about it i think a dealer might be best. i said a budget of £5k because i have no real idear of second hand prices, and the only 'good' watches i have seen have been in high street jewlers for more than that. the most i have ever spent on a watch was £112 for a seiko and i thought it was the bees knees, and after 7 years it still keeps good time (still same battery) can i say battery on here. next to a car this will be the most expencive thing i will have bought, so i just dont want to buy something because the money is burning a hole in my pocket. what i might do is have a float aroung the web and if i see anything i like i will pop in and ask people in the know.
cheers all....tom

[cyberface]

piquetuk said:

http://www.tudorwatch.com/

Lovely flash film at Tudorwatch.com

http://watch-happening.blogspot.com/2010/03/baselw...

About £2500, available 3rd Quarter I think. Orders being taken. SS strap comes with it

So does this mean 'yes' to waiting lists and dealer premiums? Can you recommend a dealer? I really don't like getting involved in this 'waiting list' game with watches - but I like that, and I like the price!

[piquetuk]

cyberface said:

piquetuk said:

http://www.tudorwatch.com/

Lovely flash film at Tudorwatch.com

http://watch-happening.blogspot.com/2010/03/baselw...

About £2500, available 3rd Quarter I think. Orders being taken. SS strap comes with it

So does this mean 'yes' to waiting lists and dealer premiums? Can you recommend a dealer? I really don't like getting involved in this 'waiting list' game with watches - but I like that, and I like the price!

Can't comment on waiting lists & premiums, I think this will be more of a Deep Sea rather than a Daytona situation.

C.H Moody, Nantwich, Cheshire.

[cyberface]

piquetuk said:

cyberface said:

piquetuk said:

http://www.tudorwatch.com/

Lovely flash film at Tudorwatch.com

http://watch-happening.blogspot.com/2010/03/baselw...

About £2500, available 3rd Quarter I think. Orders being taken. SS strap comes with it

So does this mean 'yes' to waiting lists and dealer premiums? Can you recommend a dealer? I really don't like getting involved in this 'waiting list' game with watches - but I like that, and I like the price!

Can't comment on waiting lists & premiums, I think this will be more of a Deep Sea rather than a Daytona situation.

C.H Moody, Nantwich, Cheshire.

Many thanks