Replica watches
Discussion
Miguel Alvarez said:
I may look at getting a replica and replacing a few things like the dial and straps and hands to make a bespoke watch for myself.
You could get a much cheaper Alpha and do the same. 
Sign up to TZ-UK and read the Mods and Wreckers section. I've dabbled but have already ruined two perfectly good watches. 
cyberface said:
Interesting stuff
I have only recently become interested in mechanical watches and the intricacies of the various movements etc. I was always under the impression that a fake/replica would be visible from far away, but this seems not to be the case(Hublot). I agree that this can only be a good thing for mechanical watch enthusiasts, I think Hublot got what they deserved if they charge customers 20x the amount for wathces that can be replicated for 200 pounds and Hublot ADs cannot differentiate between the two. I take it Hublot are not the only manufacturer to have fallen foul to identical replicas?. You mentioned Rolex fakes are relatively easy to spot, how about TAG Heurs? Doesn't the Carrera use the 7750 movement?tomirk said:
cyberface said:
Interesting stuff
I have only recently become interested in mechanical watches and the intricacies of the various movements etc. I was always under the impression that a fake/replica would be visible from far away, but this seems not to be the case(Hublot). I agree that this can only be a good thing for mechanical watch enthusiasts, I think Hublot got what they deserved if they charge customers 20x the amount for wathces that can be replicated for 200 pounds and Hublot ADs cannot differentiate between the two. I take it Hublot are not the only manufacturer to have fallen foul to identical replicas?. You mentioned Rolex fakes are relatively easy to spot, how about TAG Heurs? Doesn't the Carrera use the 7750 movement?ShadownINja said:
tomirk said:
cyberface said:
Interesting stuff
I have only recently become interested in mechanical watches and the intricacies of the various movements etc. I was always under the impression that a fake/replica would be visible from far away, but this seems not to be the case(Hublot). I agree that this can only be a good thing for mechanical watch enthusiasts, I think Hublot got what they deserved if they charge customers 20x the amount for wathces that can be replicated for 200 pounds and Hublot ADs cannot differentiate between the two. I take it Hublot are not the only manufacturer to have fallen foul to identical replicas?. You mentioned Rolex fakes are relatively easy to spot, how about TAG Heurs? Doesn't the Carrera use the 7750 movement?It's a shame that the mark up of an officially made watch for some of the sub (say) £3k marques is so high, given that an almost indistinguishable replica can be made (incl. the tooling, etc) for sub £200.
Cheers Ninja. I've strongly been resisting the urge to sign up to TZ. 
Back on topic. This sort of thing does worry me as I'll be the first to admit that I couldn't tell the difference between a high end replica/fake/knock off and its real version without having owned the real one or being near someone who did and by the sounds of things that still might not be enough.
Being like some people on here (I imagine) my owning nice watches involves quite a bit of saving and therefore don't have access to tonnes of watches to be safely able to say oh this is a fake look at the lugs etc.
I prefer the safety and security of buying from reputable dealers although until my knowledge increases is going to restrict me getting anything out of the ordinary.
Back on topic. This sort of thing does worry me as I'll be the first to admit that I couldn't tell the difference between a high end replica/fake/knock off and its real version without having owned the real one or being near someone who did and by the sounds of things that still might not be enough.
Being like some people on here (I imagine) my owning nice watches involves quite a bit of saving and therefore don't have access to tonnes of watches to be safely able to say oh this is a fake look at the lugs etc.
I prefer the safety and security of buying from reputable dealers although until my knowledge increases is going to restrict me getting anything out of the ordinary.
ShadownINja said:
If you want a lookalike, you could always buy an Alpha or a Rotary. Sekonda have also started doing lookalikes.
Seiko have made copies for ages and many people rate their sub copy but slag off others like Alpha (This is PH so inconsistancy rules)I have an Alpha PO which cost me £50 and was bought so I could see if I could live with the orange PO bezel, is an auto and is a better time keeper than my Omega Seamaster. I can wear it daily without fear that I will damage an expensive watch. Its not waterproof but I forgot I was wearing it when I dived into a pool last month and it didnt leak, didnt steam up and still runs fine.
The main fault is the luminous dot on the bezel has fallen off, but its also fallen off on my Omega, and my Tissot.
I like my Omegas (I have 4, one contemporary and 3 vintage), but its tricky to justify the extra cost for the brand and a slightly better tooled case.
Markymark69 said:
So can someone give a couple of examples of poor value for money watches with a huge mark up at say 1500 quid.
How much do you value brand/heritage? A Seiko 5 is a cheap watch with a in house movement, does a Swiss brand offering pretty much the same accuracy for a price in the thousands automatically mean it's poor value?Fittster said:
Markymark69 said:
So can someone give a couple of examples of poor value for money watches with a huge mark up at say 1500 quid.
How much do you value brand/heritage? A Seiko 5 is a cheap watch with a in house movement, does a Swiss brand offering pretty much the same accuracy for a price in the thousands automatically mean it's poor value?I was just curious as to what those in the know do consider overpriced and what is considered value for money and why.
Markymark69 said:
Fittster said:
Markymark69 said:
So can someone give a couple of examples of poor value for money watches with a huge mark up at say 1500 quid.
How much do you value brand/heritage? A Seiko 5 is a cheap watch with a in house movement, does a Swiss brand offering pretty much the same accuracy for a price in the thousands automatically mean it's poor value?I was just curious as to what those in the know do consider overpriced and what is considered value for money and why.
Interesting topic and cyberfaces information is very detailed but would he have saved much time and effort simply purchasing a new watch from an AD?.
Anyway, hi-end fakes are easy to spot if you also own the real thing, i'm talking Tag/Breitling/Rolex 3k and above watches.
Take the new Tag Monaco Cal 12 with curved sapphire crystal Glass and clear caseback or the Breitling Super Avenger Blacksteel, i'd love it see these so called hi-end replicas next to the real thing, you can't copy these watches for $300 and make a profit, no chance. ~ But do believe one could be fooled be greed and not having access to the real thing to compare.
Or are we taking more expensive replicas? that cost much more.
I own tens of thousands of pounds worth of real watches and always purchase NEW limited addition models from an AD, secondhand is taking a risk for sure.
But very interested in these $300 hi-end replicas you speak of.
Anyway, hi-end fakes are easy to spot if you also own the real thing, i'm talking Tag/Breitling/Rolex 3k and above watches.
Take the new Tag Monaco Cal 12 with curved sapphire crystal Glass and clear caseback or the Breitling Super Avenger Blacksteel, i'd love it see these so called hi-end replicas next to the real thing, you can't copy these watches for $300 and make a profit, no chance. ~ But do believe one could be fooled be greed and not having access to the real thing to compare.
Or are we taking more expensive replicas? that cost much more.
I own tens of thousands of pounds worth of real watches and always purchase NEW limited addition models from an AD, secondhand is taking a risk for sure.
But very interested in these $300 hi-end replicas you speak of.
Out of interest just looked on some *top swiss* replica websites and the fakes are around £200, take a the Tag F1.. comparing the one on my wrist.
Case back wrong
Crown wrong size
SS strap looks wrong and cheap
Face looked poor
God knows whats inside the dam thing
Case back wrong
Crown wrong size
SS strap looks wrong and cheap
Face looked poor
God knows whats inside the dam thing
Edited by superkartracer on Tuesday 10th August 10:29
superkartracer said:
Out of interest just looked on some *top swiss* replica websites and the fakes are around £200, take a the Tag F1.. comparing the one on my wrist.
Case back wrong
Crown wrong size
SS strap looks wrong and cheap
Face looked poor
God knows whats inside the dam thing
Have a look a the Hublot replicas, that go for $400-$600, I haven't got an original to compare but looking at photos it does seem pretty much identical, at least to a phillistine like me.Case back wrong
Crown wrong size
SS strap looks wrong and cheap
Face looked poor
God knows whats inside the dam thing
Edited by superkartracer on Tuesday 10th August 10:29
In case you didn't see this the first time round :
http://www.clipeco.ch/_repository/470.pdf
The story is that Hublot AD's were having such a time of it with snides that Hublot themselves issued these instructions on how to spot the 'good' from the bad. Don't take it as gospel though, as it's just one of those things that popped up on the internets one day. It's a good read nonetheless.
http://www.clipeco.ch/_repository/470.pdf
The story is that Hublot AD's were having such a time of it with snides that Hublot themselves issued these instructions on how to spot the 'good' from the bad. Don't take it as gospel though, as it's just one of those things that popped up on the internets one day. It's a good read nonetheless.
Check this one, $600! ok first impressions nice watch but looking at the mech inside it's cheap tat compared to the real thing, i guess this is a hi-end watch? the strap is tat also, and case wrong.
Maybe the 20k watches are worth the tooling and effort at getting and match and the below store is rather shocking!, but still yet to see a convincing Tag rep.
Guess posting links on this thread we get it locked? which is a shame as only a discussion.
S
Maybe the 20k watches are worth the tooling and effort at getting and match and the below store is rather shocking!, but still yet to see a convincing Tag rep.
Guess posting links on this thread we get it locked? which is a shame as only a discussion.
S
Edited by superkartracer on Tuesday 10th August 12:03
sneijder said:
In case you didn't see this the first time round :
http://www.clipeco.ch/_repository/470.pdf
The story is that Hublot AD's were having such a time of it with snides that Hublot themselves issued these instructions on how to spot the 'good' from the bad. Don't take it as gospel though, as it's just one of those things that popped up on the internets one day. It's a good read nonetheless.
The movement is completely wrong! and i bet the glass was also wrong in real-life, how did the ad's not spot this, simple reason, they prob never get to see the real things that often.http://www.clipeco.ch/_repository/470.pdf
The story is that Hublot AD's were having such a time of it with snides that Hublot themselves issued these instructions on how to spot the 'good' from the bad. Don't take it as gospel though, as it's just one of those things that popped up on the internets one day. It's a good read nonetheless.
There is no way the internal details would ever be the same because the costs would be very expensive so like the tag above that is the key thing to look for.
Cheers for link.
superkartracer said:
Interesting topic and cyberfaces information is very detailed but would he have saved much time and effort simply purchasing a new watch from an AD?.
Anyway, hi-end fakes are easy to spot if you also own the real thing, i'm talking Tag/Breitling/Rolex 3k and above watches.
Take the new Tag Monaco Cal 12 with curved sapphire crystal Glass and clear caseback or the Breitling Super Avenger Blacksteel, i'd love it see these so called hi-end replicas next to the real thing, you can't copy these watches for $300 and make a profit, no chance. ~ But do believe one could be fooled be greed and not having access to the real thing to compare.
Or are we taking more expensive replicas? that cost much more.
I own tens of thousands of pounds worth of real watches and always purchase NEW limited addition models from an AD, secondhand is taking a risk for sure.
But very interested in these $300 hi-end replicas you speak of.
I think you're rather missing the point.Anyway, hi-end fakes are easy to spot if you also own the real thing, i'm talking Tag/Breitling/Rolex 3k and above watches.
Take the new Tag Monaco Cal 12 with curved sapphire crystal Glass and clear caseback or the Breitling Super Avenger Blacksteel, i'd love it see these so called hi-end replicas next to the real thing, you can't copy these watches for $300 and make a profit, no chance. ~ But do believe one could be fooled be greed and not having access to the real thing to compare.
Or are we taking more expensive replicas? that cost much more.
I own tens of thousands of pounds worth of real watches and always purchase NEW limited addition models from an AD, secondhand is taking a risk for sure.
But very interested in these $300 hi-end replicas you speak of.
These decent quality replicas are like some high-end watches. If you think that $300 can't buy most of what the high-end brands are knocking out (especially as CF mentioned, those using 'generic' ETA movements) then you're sorely mistaken.
What makes you think they (the Blacksteel and Tag Monaco you mentioned) can't be copied for $300 anyway?
As much as I like 'nice' watches, most of the 'Swiss Made' tag is a load of rubbish and is just an excuse to charge a lot!
superkartracer said:
But very interested in these $300 hi-end replicas you speak of.
Have a look here for some pictures of 'Super Rep' watches, which usually cost between $400-600:http://www.tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t...
ETA: Also, watch the Youtube video of the Sinn U2 rep, which can be found on the first page of the TZ-UK thread ... Scary stuff!
Edited by Ikemi on Tuesday 10th August 13:23
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