Yachties, what sailboat at 35-40ft? Less than 5 y/o?

[sassthathoopie]

Rum Runner said:

In the case the Dehler I would have happly sailed it around the world. Large wheel and all lines lead aft and many on to the electric winches which had jammers all in reach while sat at the wheel.
In the 70's and early 80's boat where a different shape, generally because of IOR rules. Times changed in the late 80' bringing generally what you see today. Moderns tend to carry more of there beam further aft . It creates more space and some righting moment but in turn its does create some loss in sea keeping ability and loss in the overall sweetness and feel / balance. Many are aimed to perform better and certain angles than general all round performance.
I personally like a lot of the hull shapes from the 90's - early 00's before they started to get to fat aft and very flat under the water. Boats that spring to mind from that period are X362 X 382 X442.
I did thousands of miles in a Sigma 400 similar in shape to the X boats above .It was no good for singlehanding and the interior layout was a bit poor on the early ones, but dynamically it was as phenomenal. Never once felt it get away from me in some real crazy stunt sailing.
If it was a new production boat and it had the hammer that had and since, it would simply be at the bottom. It did 30,000 very had offshore miles with us 12 crew and its since done another 20k or so without a refit and over a 20year period.
It's now getting some well earned major TLC

Edited by Rum Runner on Monday 16th May 23:31

I used to be the X-Yachts Marketing Manager worldwide. They have a service in the yard at Haderslev where you bring them a cheap as chips old X and they return it to as new condition. The boats were astounding. I was never given any cash to shout about it because I imagine it must be a loss maker for them. Those knarly old Danes in the shed just refuse to do shoddy work. If I wanted a boat of this size this is exactly what I would do - and bearing in mind they made me redundant whilst on compassionate leave for the death of my father I don't consider myself to be positively biased. The Xc range are great too but pricey.

[Rum Runner]

Hi Paddy N Murphy...sorry not having a go at you at all...I new you would comment though when a mentioned the C word.
Funny thing is I have real bad furry Cat allergy...
Hope you are getting some sailing in anyway..at the moment I am with the things everyday but not getting out on the water at all....its the buisest I have know with regards to used sales.
Agree with centre cockpits...also never really got on with the Swan double cockpit arrangement on there smaller boats say like the 46. You can deal with it on the S&S 65.

Edited by Rum Runner on Wednesday 18th May 22:54

[Fittster]

Isn't a large modern cat going to be a fair bit more than the Hanse 40 that the OP originally mentioned?

P.S. We've done racing yachts, cats, the only way we can probably go further away from the OPs requirement is a nice dragonfly.

[Rum Runner]

Ok so we digressed...from Op requirements....although a very good 45 and 47 ft used from the period 1998 - 2004 can be had in region of 150- 200k with all the Bells and whistles.
Oh and if you put it to work it will return you more than than any other boat I can think of for the outlay. Average crewed charter week on one of these is 10k - 14k USD for a 6 pax.
This something that you may want to consider when you want to move the boat on if living in Oz, where chartering is common and diving. In both cases you want a stable platform when you are out hanging off the pick at night especially on charter as many guests are not sailors. Shallow draft helps also for reef dodging.
Here is what you get for your money...
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Edited by Rum Runner on Thursday 19th May 00:16

[XJSJohn]

If you are in Oz have a look at Sydney Yachts and Bashford's (BH), Auzzy built and very nice makes both of them.

We have a few racey Sydneys here in Singapore (including the last of the infamous Sydney 40 Admirals Cup that never was Boats)

To Rum Runner and Village Idiot, do you ever get involved in delivery of boats over long distances (thinking Hi Cube / RoRo/ Dockwise rather than self sail) and any tips on keeping those costs down (from Europe to Asia - looking at some possibilities around the med but delivery ruins the deal)

[village idiot]

XJSJohn said:

If you are in Oz have a look at Sydney Yachts and Bashford's (BH), Auzzy built and very nice makes both of them.

We have a few racey Sydneys here in Singapore (including the last of the infamous Sydney 40 Admirals Cup that never was Boats)

To Rum Runner and Village Idiot, do you ever get involved in delivery of boats over long distances (thinking Hi Cube / RoRo/ Dockwise rather than self sail) and any tips on keeping those costs down (from Europe to Asia - looking at some possibilities around the med but delivery ruins the deal)

I send yachts all over the world and bring them back too. To be honest, as a broker, I am usually too busy to get too involved in the shipping process and usually just put my clients in direct contact with Peters & May in Southampton who act as shipping agents (www.petersandmay.com).

Alternatively, it can sometimes to be cheaper to have the yacht delivered on her own bottom. We would normally suggest a company called PYD (www.pydw.co.uk) who have experience with skippered deliveries over long distances such as Europe-Australia.

With shipping, there is usually a gulf of difference between shipping using a generic container vessel and a dedicated yacht delivery ship (such as the Dock Express or the Sevenstar ships). The main (but outwardly less obvious) benefit with the dedicated yacht delivery ship is that they do not carry out ship maintenance when at sea. The ship is taken out of commission to do all the necessary grinding, welding etc that ships continually require. When your deck cargo consists of shiny gelcoat, Awlgrip or teak decking, the last thing you should be doing is grinding rust! (I have seen the gelcoat and the deck on a Swan 44 completely destroyed in this manner). This naturally increases the shipping costs by a huge margin, but ensures that you pride and joy arrives in the same manner as she left.

If you factor in wear and tear to sails and engine, and depreciation through increased engine hours and the fact that the yacht has sailed halfway round the world, shipping usually turns out to be the most cost effective method of moving a yacht from here to there.

[Rum Runner]

As above really, I am to busy to get involved, I usually leave it to my man Dave at www.boathaulage.co.uk he sorts the shipping if it needs to go by ship. I have a delivery people to get the boat to port for shipping.

Bashfords BH41 and BH36 where quick boats in there day, not much of cruiser though.
The famous HB41 Silk 2.

Edited by Rum Runner on Thursday 19th May 13:25

[XJSJohn]

Rum Runner said:

Bashfords BH41 and BH36 where quick boats in there day, not much of cruiser though.
The famous HB41 Silk 2.

ahh i remember that moment, met report stated that there would be a 40 - 50kt squall at the top mark at 1330hrs. The BH rounded the mark at 1329 and popped the spin, to the second the squall came in and thats the end result. kept the rig though!!

Both BH and Sydney do make less race focused boats too, the new Sydney 42 being one (001 will be coming to Singapoire in a few months, called WalaWala.

Cheers for the pointers on shipping too guys.

[AlexiusG55]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

Fittster said:

Is it actually possible to buy a modern 35ft+ yacht that isn't capable offshore?

The Bav I was last in dumped all the beers out the fridge when heeling.

FAIL

I've heard stories of some modern yacht (think it was a Bav) where the bulkhead between main saloon and forecabin was structural. You might say "OK, what of it?" here.

The issue was that the door in said bulkhead couldn't be opened or closed on one tack- which isn't particularly reassuring...

[robm3]

Well been a while and looked at loads of different options but yesterday put an offer in on one of these;



It's a Moody 45 DS. Apart from massive (and expensive) Sunseekers it's been the only boat my wife really liked. Although the looks are quite 'marmite' but we love it and that's what counts.


This is definitely the best view:

[maser_spyder]

Superb. Want!

[XJSJohn]

very nice, gone for the dark or light hull colour?

[robm3]

XJSJohn said:

very nice, gone for the dark or light hull colour?

It's light but I think a repaint will occur in due course (black methinks).

Paddy is right about the view forward though, it's one disadvantage.

Edited by robm3 on Friday 13th July 09:54

[MaxNg]

I've just had the pleasure of being part of the delivery crew on a Halberg Rassy 43, from Sweden to UK. I know that boat may be a bit bigger than the OP was looking for, but I need to say it was the finest yacht I have ever set foot on - both from a handling point of view and accommodation, galley, storage space etc. I've also sailed the smaller HR boats, a 29 and a 315, I think it was, and for build quality and general excellence of design, I don't think anything else comes close.

On the HR 43, he had in-mast reefing, power winches and Spinlock jammers all over the place, so it also won first prize in my experience for ease of handling. It was also no slouch in speed, as we were lucky in having lots of favourable F4-5 and averaged 6.8 kt, over about 750NM.

[Olf]

robm3 said:

it's been the only boat my wife really liked. Although the looks are quite 'marmite' but we love it and that's what counts.


This is definitely the best view:

Good spot for the wife to sit as well. What sort of speeds can you get up to with her sat there? Will she be able to see the girlfriend in the cabin from there?

[schmalex]

OP, I'm not a cruising man and usually shun anything that doesn't need 8+ blokes hiking the rail to keep it upright, but that Moody looks stunning the lines are so clean and it's hull form looks as if it will have a decent turn of speed.

Nice find

[robm3]

Well just to update, the asking price was $450k and I've offered $400k which I thought was reasonable when compared to market prices of other yachts. Just waiting to hear back now..

[robm3]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

New and Bare? or fitted out with all the bits pieces?

2nd hand, three years old. It's basic fitout, few options but then standard spec is actually quite high on these.

[PauloV12V]

robm3 said:

Well been a while and looked at loads of different options but yesterday put an offer in on one of these;



It's a Moody 45 DS. Apart from massive (and expensive) Sunseekers it's been the only boat my wife really liked. Although the looks are quite 'marmite' but we love it and that's what counts.


This is definitely the best view:

Is this a better boat you think than a cat for that figure?

[robm3]

PauloV12V said:

Is this a better boat you think than a cat for that figure?

Probably not for what we're after but my wife and I like traditional monohulls