Red Arrow crashes.

[Mutley]

I found this linked on the fb page:
www.raf.mod.uk/reds/teamnews/index.cfm?storyid=0FE...

The Red Arrows are to resume training and try to finish this season as an 8 ship formation.

Bravo Lads

[Ian Lancs]

magpie215 said:

Heard a rumour it was a birdstrike through the canopy.

Came from a contact at BAe.

I suspect your contact at BAE isn't anywhere close to the inquiry...

[db]

anonymous said:

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76 this time last night, only 133 now.
kinda disappointing, had hoped for more exposure

[thatone1967]

Ian Lancs said:

magpie215 said:

Heard a rumour it was a birdstrike through the canopy.

Came from a contact at BAe.

I suspect your contact at BAE isn't anywhere close to the inquiry...

Would a bird have penetrated the canopy at that speed? I know he was not hanging around, but you surely have to be really moving for that to get through?

[mrloudly]

thatone1967 said:

Ian Lancs said:

magpie215 said:

Heard a rumour it was a birdstrike through the canopy.

Came from a contact at BAe.

I suspect your contact at BAE isn't anywhere close to the inquiry...

Would a bird have penetrated the canopy at that speed? I know he was not hanging around, but you surely have to be really moving for that to get through?

A Mallard went through a Hawk canopy @ 450kts nearly killing the pilot, after this the screen was beefed up. I bet 4 wasn't doing 250kts...

[Chrisgr31]

Bearing in mind he ended up in river in a series of fields I'd assume there was a relatively high chance of a birdstrike in the last few seconds of his flight. Whether it was a birdsrtrike that brought him down in the first place is a different question of course.

[trashbat]

mrloudly said:

A Mallard went through a Hawk canopy @ 450kts nearly killing the pilot, after this the screen was beefed up. I bet 4 wasn't doing 250kts...

Yep, and here he is, pictures and everything: http://www.pprune.org/military-aircrew/461563-fast...

My dad worked on Hawk bird strike, firing chickens out of a cannon at 500mph, or rather doing the analysis after someone did that. I wouldn't be surprised if BAES are part of the investigation, or even that it leaks, but I would be quite surprised if a bird strike at that speed caused a fatal accident. A/C loss, sure, but not complete incapacitation and inability to eject.

[matt25]

I spotted this on Wednesday on the M54:



The wings and tail section were on a seperate lorry behind. It's been in storage somewhere and is now being taken to be rebuilt to replace the lost aircraft perhaps?

Edited by matt25 on Friday 26th August 11:27

[LukeSi]

matt25 said:

I spotted this on Wednesday on the M54:



The wings and tail section were on a seperate lorry behind. It's been in storage somewhere and is now being taken to be rebuilt to replace the lost aircraft perhaps?

Edited by matt25 on Friday 26th August 11:27

That is the spare one which suffered a bird strike and knackered the engine. They couldn't fly it out so they took it apart and transported by truck instead.

[matt25]

That explains that then! It must have been going to Valley instead of Scampton, engine was already removed.

[magpie215]

matt25 said:

I spotted this on Wednesday on the M54:



The wings and tail section were on a seperate lorry behind. It's been in storage somewhere and is now being taken to be rebuilt to replace the lost aircraft perhaps?

Edited by matt25 on Friday 26th August 11:27

That is the one I mentioned in the XH558 thread being roaded from Blackpool

[paulrussell]

matt25 said:

I spotted this on Wednesday on the M54:



The wings and tail section were on a seperate lorry behind. It's been in storage somewhere and is now being taken to be rebuilt to replace the lost aircraft perhaps?

Edited by matt25 on Friday 26th August 11:27

That's not an airworthy Hawk, it's used for displays. The Red Arrows have got 10 Hawks, they used to have 11 before Red 4 crashed.

[ninja-lewis]

magpie215 said:

That is the one I mentioned in the XH558 thread being roaded from Blackpool

Pictures of her being dismantled at Blackpool.

http://www.fightercontrol.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.ph...

[magpie215]

paulrussell said:

matt25 said:

I spotted this on Wednesday on the M54:



The wings and tail section were on a seperate lorry behind. It's been in storage somewhere and is now being taken to be rebuilt to replace the lost aircraft perhaps?

Edited by matt25 on Friday 26th August 11:27

That's not an airworthy Hawk, it's used for displays. The Red Arrows have got 10 Hawks, they used to have 11 before Red 4 crashed.

It is a real Red suffered a bird strike en route to the Blackpool airshow only 8 displyed while this one made an emergency landing.

[paulrussell]

magpie215 said:

It is a real Red suffered a bird strike en route to the Blackpool airshow only 8 displyed while this one made an emergency landing.

I thought that one was back in service. I guess I'm wrong then.

[LukeSi]

paulrussell said:

I thought that one was back in service. I guess I'm wrong then.

Nah it only had 50 hours left so they are parting it out for spares. Airframe might possibly end up somewhere like cosford.

[just1]

Just been to the crash site and walked the down from the first impact point to the river. Quite sobering, and the distance he covered is astounding.

[CarlT]

just1 said:

Just been to the crash site and walked the down from the first impact point to the river. Quite sobering, and the distance he covered is astounding.

I was just about to post the exactly the same thing. Just been down there, the atmosphere there is quite surreal. I too cannot believe the distance travlled of the cockpit to end up where it did across the river, having travelled close to 1/2 mile across fields and through fences.

The chalk marks where they have marked the location of parts is very shocking - the debris field is huge. It does look like he tried to land the thing though - it looks like it slid across the field rather than cartwheeling...

RIP Red 4...

[CarlT]

Miocene said:

Hi Matt

Watch the video on this link (edited my post after you quoted me). This shows a chap clearly having walked past the Mill, looking left over the fields whilst on the bridge and then running along the field to the crash site.

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16054021

I know what you're saying about the housing, but it is obviously a lot significantly less dense once you cross over Mill Lane (though in all fairness I don't know what direction they flew from)

I reckon that video has been seriously edited by someone. There is no way that he could have been on that bridge and not seen the whole thing....

[mrloudly]

CarlT said:

Miocene said:

Hi Matt

Watch the video on this link (edited my post after you quoted me). This shows a chap clearly having walked past the Mill, looking left over the fields whilst on the bridge and then running along the field to the crash site.

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16054021

I know what you're saying about the housing, but it is obviously a lot significantly less dense once you cross over Mill Lane (though in all fairness I don't know what direction they flew from)

I reckon that video has been seriously edited by someone. There is no way that he could have been on that bridge and not seen the whole thing....

From what I see and hear he says he saw the whole thing, he just didn't film it...