Talk to me about telescopes

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nellyleelephant

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235 months

Monday 12th September 2011
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zetec said:
Many thanks for all the replies, some food for thought.

I understand I won't get Hubble quality images, to be able to see Jupiter and make out its red spot, Saturn and its rings would be fantastic, even if it isn't crystal clear.

smile
This is within budget and it will easily resolve the red spot on jupiter.

http://www.firstlightoptics.com/dobsonians/skywatc...

Plus you'll have no complicated mounts to learn.

zetec

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4,468 posts

252 months

Monday 12th September 2011
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nellyleelephant said:
zetec said:
Many thanks for all the replies, some food for thought.

I understand I won't get Hubble quality images, to be able to see Jupiter and make out its red spot, Saturn and its rings would be fantastic, even if it isn't crystal clear.

smile
This is within budget and it will easily resolve the red spot on jupiter.

http://www.firstlightoptics.com/dobsonians/skywatc...

Plus you'll have no complicated mounts to learn.
Cheers!

How about Jupiters moons?

nellyleelephant

2,705 posts

235 months

Monday 12th September 2011
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zetec said:
Cheers!

How about Jupiters moons?
You can see them with just binoculars, so easy with a scope.

You'll only resolve them as a point of light though, much like a star. You would be able to see the shadow from its various moons as they transit the planet.

zetec

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252 months

Monday 12th September 2011
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Nellyleelephant and Bedazzled, thank you both very much for your help.

My eldest was fascinated by the story Brian Cox told about the Moon Io, that it turns itself inside out due to volcanic activity, how far would you have to step up, budget wise, so it becomes more than just a point of light?

Also with the 'scope you have recommended, would nebulae and galaxies be easily visible?

Again, many thanks smile


nellyleelephant

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235 months

Monday 12th September 2011
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Hmmm, you're talking pretty serious I would imagine.

I looked through a 20" donsonian at it last year and they still looked the same. Don't forget that having a bigger telescope doesn't mean you can magnify more, it just means you can gather more light and get greater detail. I seem to remember that the upper limit for magnification in the UK is about 250x due to atmospheric conditions, I've pushed mine futher on the moon, but you do lose quality. The theoretical limit of a scope is 50x for every inch of aperture, so an 8" has a theoretical limit of 400x, but trust me, you wouldn't be seeing much apart from a fuzzy mess!

The 8" scope will see all of the Messier objects (110 of them) for a start off, assuming you can get to a dark site....once you've done those there are many many more things to find, galaxies and nebulae are no problem, even small bins can pick a lot of them up!

zetec

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I'm well used to bigger isn't better, I'm a keen photographer and I know that more megapixels doesn't mean a better image, it's the light that can be captured that makes the quality of the image.

I've downloaded the Stellarium software, its a clear'ish night here and waiting for it to get dark, just need a 'scope now.

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ChiChoAndy

73,668 posts

256 months

Monday 12th September 2011
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Stellarium is a good bit of software. Some good iPad software out there, that shows the sky you are looking at, (if iPad is in front of you).

fatboy b

9,499 posts

217 months

Monday 12th September 2011
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Eric Mc said:
Thank you.

Much more sensible here (although it would be nice if the word "Space" appeared somewhere in the forum title.
I still think the lounge is the correct place. It's not a plane, train, or a boat.

LeoSayer

7,307 posts

245 months

Monday 12th September 2011
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zetec said:
I've downloaded the Stellarium software, its a clear'ish night here and waiting for it to get dark, just need a 'scope now.
If you've got a smartphone then Google Sky Map is an absolutely awesome app.

Snoggledog

7,049 posts

218 months

Monday 12th September 2011
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Quick guide.

I don't know if it's of any help but when I was first looking for scopes I was told the following "guidelines":

Refractors. Good accuracy and generally good clarity but poor light gathering so not always suitable for 'long range' work.

Reflectors. Huge light gathering potential so ideal for 'long range' viewing. Can be heavy and cumbersome. The quality of the primary mirror is the single most important factor and if this isn't any good you've just wasted your money.

Catadioptrics. Compact and manageable. However, any quality issues in the mirrors are magnified throughout. Good all round scopes.


Eyepieces. Don't go for the highest magnification possible as you'll end up having to adjust your scope every few seconds. Good eyepieces are made by William Optics and Televue. (Note: Some of these eyepieces cost almost as much as a scope!)

grenpayne

1,988 posts

163 months

Monday 12th September 2011
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OK, my two pennies having dabbled in looking in astro for a good few years. My recommendation would be one of these here.

I had the larger 8" job and it was superb. The scopes are Chinese made but they are now on a par with the much more expensive scopes and getting better all the time. The advantage of a dobsonian is that they are easy to set up, stable and cheap. I would recommend that you spend the rest of the budget on some decent eyepieces as that will get the most out of it. The other advantage is that the height of the scope is perfect for younger eyes to get a good view.

I can also heartily recommend the shop. The chap who runs it is really nice and I've used them many times for all sorts of stuff, including 2 other telescopes.

Hope that helps!

ETA; must read the whole thread before replying! At least most also seem to think the Skywatcher dobs are the way to go! biggrin

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

263 months

Monday 12th September 2011
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Snoggledog said:
Quick guide.

I don't know if it's of any help but when I was first looking for scopes I was told the following "guidelines":

Refractors. Good accuracy and generally good clarity but poor light gathering so not always suitable for 'long range' work.

Reflectors. Huge light gathering potential so ideal for 'long range' viewing. Can be heavy and cumbersome. The quality of the primary mirror is the single most important factor and if this isn't any good you've just wasted your money.

Catadioptrics. Compact and manageable. However, any quality issues in the mirrors are magnified throughout. Good all round scopes.


Eyepieces. Don't go for the highest magnification possible as you'll end up having to adjust your scope every few seconds. Good eyepieces are made by William Optics and Televue. (Note: Some of these eyepieces cost almost as much as a scope!)
As a cat lover I'm naturally biased, but the mainstream cats give excellent returns with one requirement, collimation.

Unk Rod says.. http://skywatch.brainiac.com/collimation.pdf

Remember the most useful scope is the one you use! Not sitting in a corner due to the complexity of it's mount/electronics.

I'll stick my head up here and state the best beginners scope are a pair of 100X25's and a photographic tripod both robust and tall enough to be used in an astronomy context.

Mo.

nellyleelephant

2,705 posts

235 months

Monday 12th September 2011
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Mojocvh said:
As a cat lover I'm naturally biased, but the mainstream cats give excellent returns with one requirement, collimation.

Unk Rod says.. http://skywatch.brainiac.com/collimation.pdf

Remember the most useful scope is the one you use! Not sitting in a corner due to the complexity of it's mount/electronics.

I'll stick my head up here and state the best beginners scope are a pair of 100X25's and a photographic tripod both robust and tall enough to be used in an astronomy context.

Mo.
Although the 100x25 bins would be good, they won't let him see detail on planets. Big bins are great but they're not a substitute for a telescope, more a compliment.

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

263 months

Monday 12th September 2011
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nellyleelephant said:
Mojocvh said:
As a cat lover I'm naturally biased, but the mainstream cats give excellent returns with one requirement, collimation.

Unk Rod says.. http://skywatch.brainiac.com/collimation.pdf

Remember the most useful scope is the one you use! Not sitting in a corner due to the complexity of it's mount/electronics.

I'll stick my head up here and state the best beginners scope are a pair of 100X25's and a photographic tripod both robust and tall enough to be used in an astronomy context.

Mo.
Although the 100x25 bins would be good, they won't let him see detail on planets. Big bins are great but they're not a substitute for a telescope, more a compliment.
I disagree. For a beginner there are plenty of skills to learn, the night sky itself, star hopping etc. Then there is the cost, if he quits then they wont lose so much than if he chucks it after splashing out on a scope mount etc.

There are two distinct specialisations, the planets/solar system and everything else in deep space. The equipment for successful high power observation of the planets is different than that of deep space where aperture counts and resolution steps back in priority compared to planetary work. If you go big on the planets (already ££££ scope wise) the mounts get pretty ££££ as well.

Far better a beginner has basic kit and joins a society where he can use other peoples kit to gain experience before deciding what direction to take.

cheers

Mo.

nellyleelephant

2,705 posts

235 months

Monday 12th September 2011
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100x25 bins are big expensive things that require a suitably hefty mount, I can understand 15x70 or 10x50 as they are more affordable and manageable.

The large bins with a mount would cost more than the 8" dob all in, but offer less flexibility.

Agree on the society thing though smile

Snoggledog

7,049 posts

218 months

Monday 12th September 2011
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Mojocvh said:
As a cat lover I'm naturally biased, but the mainstream cats give excellent returns with one requirement, collimation.

Unk Rod says.. http://skywatch.brainiac.com/collimation.pdf

Remember the most useful scope is the one you use! Not sitting in a corner due to the complexity of it's mount/electronics.

Mo.
You'll get no argument from me on the CAT front. I've got a 10" Newton and a small CAT. Even though the cat needs collimating, it gets used far more often than the newton. But I stick by what I said, lens defects in a cat get multiplied and can ruin everything. Oh.. and a big no to Meade. Who else would paint the inside of their tubes white?

Use Psychology

11,327 posts

193 months

Tuesday 13th September 2011
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nick heppinstall said:
How that Eric ? smile
can we have a sub-forum?
wink
'the final frontier'

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

263 months

Tuesday 13th September 2011
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Use Psychology said:
can we have a sub-forum?
wink
'the final frontier'
yes

HOGEPH

5,249 posts

187 months

Tuesday 13th September 2011
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Here's a cost effective one to start with.


zetec

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4,468 posts

252 months

Tuesday 27th September 2011
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Lol at the above!!

Apologies for the thread ressurection!

The birthday approaches and she still has her heart set on a telescope biggrin

As recommended I have done some research on this the Skywatcher Skyliner 200P Dobsonian. Now it seems rather large and my house is rather small. Also my daughter will be 14, will it be too big for her to handle? I have seen examples of what it can do though and it is very impressive, is there anything else that gives the same performance with ease of use?

Again, many thanks.