New BA B747-8F

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BigWithey

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565 posts

230 months

Friday 30th September 2011
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First of 3 new 747-8F leaving the paint hanger. These will be wet leased from Global Supply Systems, these will replace 3 747-400F









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Edited by BigWithey on Friday 30th September 22:48

davepoth

29,395 posts

199 months

Friday 30th September 2011
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I know these have changed massively since the first one flew, but I'm a bit bored of the shape. You'd think they'd facelift it a bit and put some ugly chrome on the front just so we know it's a new one. smile

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

262 months

Friday 30th September 2011
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Nice yank donkeys too.

Did Cargolux get their performance figures sorted?

john_p

7,073 posts

250 months

Saturday 1st October 2011
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"To fly, to ...... carry?"

bob1179

14,107 posts

209 months

Saturday 1st October 2011
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Have they sold any passenger versions yet? I still love the 747, it's such a great aircraft and I reckon it looks better then the A380 (silly, I know).

smile

BigWithey

Original Poster:

565 posts

230 months

Saturday 1st October 2011
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Lufthansa should get the first pax version early 2012

bob1179

14,107 posts

209 months

Saturday 1st October 2011
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BigWithey said:
Lufthansa should get the first pax version early 2012
That's good news, it'll be nice to see one parked up to an A380 as I believe they are quite a bit longer.

smile

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 1st October 2011
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Are they all powered by GE ??

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

262 months

Saturday 1st October 2011
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whistle

"Quoting B777LRF (Reply 15):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the chief Boeing salesperson publicly state the A380 was "too quite"?

Yeah, that'll work..."

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/...

rofl

And having had up to 11 hours in the back of poxy RAF Herc's at various times, believe me, I HATE that pervasive, unending dronehehe


JaybirdUK

1,867 posts

167 months

Saturday 1st October 2011
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davepoth said:
I know these have changed massively since the first one flew, but I'm a bit bored of the shape. You'd think they'd facelift it a bit and put some ugly chrome on the front just so we know it's a new one. smile
I sort of know what you mean, but its a design that still works today unlike this ugly duckling 747

navier_stokes

948 posts

199 months

Sunday 2nd October 2011
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Max_Torque said:
Are they all powered by GE ??
Yes, albeit with a large performance shortfall (allegedly)!

Wheelrepairit

2,909 posts

204 months

Sunday 2nd October 2011
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Does British airways own "global supply systems" does anybody know.

I live in flight line of stansted and they go over daily, from India,Frankfurt and Atlanta.

Yet come up as "British airways" on my flight tracker thingy on iPad.

As a side note, anybody know what cargo would come over from India daily, goes over mine just before 8am everyday.

Love to know what's in em.

davepoth

29,395 posts

199 months

Sunday 2nd October 2011
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Wheelrepairit said:
Does British airways own "global supply systems" does anybody know.

I live in flight line of stansted and they go over daily, from India,Frankfurt and Atlanta.

Yet come up as "British airways" on my flight tracker thingy on iPad.

As a side note, anybody know what cargo would come over from India daily, goes over mine just before 8am everyday.

Love to know what's in em.
http://www.gssair.co.uk/

Subcontract hauler. Most likely thing to be coming from India is Pharmaceuticals.

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 2nd October 2011
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navier_stokes said:
Yes, albeit with a large performance shortfall (allegedly)!
Pity, for me BA and RR are a perfect match.....

navier_stokes

948 posts

199 months

Sunday 2nd October 2011
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Max_Torque said:
navier_stokes said:
Yes, albeit with a large performance shortfall (allegedly)!
Pity, for me BA and RR are a perfect match.....
I imagine GE went through a whole world of pain/compromise to get the GEnx fit for the 747... just not worth competing for IMO.



bobthemonkey

3,837 posts

216 months

Sunday 2nd October 2011
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navier_stokes said:
Yes, albeit with a large performance shortfall (allegedly)!
2.7% worse SFC than contracted AIUI.

Part fix next year; full target in 2013, with the customer likely to have to pay for both fixes.

ETOPS

3,683 posts

198 months

Monday 3rd October 2011
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navier_stokes said:
Max_Torque said:
navier_stokes said:
Yes, albeit with a large performance shortfall (allegedly)!
Pity, for me BA and RR are a perfect match.....
I imagine GE went through a whole world of pain/compromise to get the GEnx fit for the 747... just not worth competing for IMO.
Yep, GE are ferocious these days at getting exclusive rights to aircraft. The 777-300ER being a very successful example.

I think the engines will be great, once tweaked. It's always the same old story regarding initial performance spec shortfalls, as the first aircraft are always overweight, underpowered etc. Some airlines refuse to be launch customers for new aircraft now, after having their fingers burnt. That said, after a while, modifications to the engine and airframe iron out these issues. I must say, operating the big RR Trents, and the obscenely powerful GE115B engines on a daily basis, the GEs win hands down from my perspective. Spool-up time ofnthe dual rotor and sheer brutishness trump the RR.

My main issue with the 748 is that they have designed it to be a 'differences' version of the 744. This means that it only requires shortened 'differences only' training for current 744 pilots and engineers rather than a fresh type course. Sounds great, because of reduced training costs, but the restriction on creating and aircraft as diffent rather than new, is that it must maintain 70% commonality with the 744. So, they shot themselves in the foot from step one in the design phase.

I was hoping for it to be technically along the lines of a 4 engined 777, but instead, it has far too much old technology, ancient plumming and many outdated systems in order to meet the commonality requirements. Deep inside the nitty gritty of the systems, the 777-300ER is far more advanced, still. The technology exists to have created a monster, but they chose not to, hoping that the operators would enjoy the short term financial gain in saving. The order book speaks for itself. As a freighter, it will sell, because brute power is key, but in the passenger world, I think it's opportunities are limited, particularly to slot-limited destinations, especially with the sun rising over a new 777 variant.

Matt Cyclone

143 posts

241 months

Monday 3rd October 2011
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JaybirdUK said:
I sort of know what you mean, but its a design that still works today unlike this ugly duckling 747
Jesus - that a Tristar mating with a 747??

Not a good look at all, and what on earth needs such a large tailfin!

MaxNg

205 posts

199 months

Tuesday 4th October 2011
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I've heard it said that you should never buy the A-Model of anything. That maybe applies to engines too!

Eric Mc

122,042 posts

265 months

Tuesday 4th October 2011
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JaybirdUK said:
davepoth said:
I know these have changed massively since the first one flew, but I'm a bit bored of the shape. You'd think they'd facelift it a bit and put some ugly chrome on the front just so we know it's a new one. smile
I sort of know what you mean, but its a design that still works today unlike this ugly duckling 747
Aargh - shows what happens when you leave a 747-100 and a Tristar in the hangar overnight.