Sale of Typhoon to India
Discussion
onyx39 said:
why don't we just hand them over, and instead of giving them "foreign aid" just give the foreign aid to BAE?
The aid is supposed to end this year, and rightly so.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20265583
However even if it continued I don't think the 200 odd million we used to give them would buy many typhoons.
BlackLabel said:
The aid is supposed to end this year, and rightly so.
Didn't a senior Indian politician say something along the lines of 'It was only pennies anyway and we don't need it you silly British people?' Which reminds me. While we crate up Chinooks for Nepal and fly them there at vast expense, is the much closer and quite wealthy India doing anything to help?
Simpo Two said:
BlackLabel said:
The aid is supposed to end this year, and rightly so.
Didn't a senior Indian politician say something along the lines of 'It was only pennies anyway and we don't need it you silly British people?' Which reminds me. While we crate up Chinooks for Nepal and fly them there at vast expense, is the much closer and quite wealthy India doing anything to help?
The Indians (and the Chinese) are doing a lot for the victims of the earthquake. Even Pakistan, which is hardly a rich country, is doing a fair bit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-32477180
http://observer.com/2015/05/in-nepal-china-and-ind...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-32477180
http://observer.com/2015/05/in-nepal-china-and-ind...
911newbie said:
If I was a betting man I'd say the Rafale deal is dead. For one thing India cant afford it.
You were correct.Looks like they are buying 36 to save face and have no intention of buying anymore.
article said:
Earlier, speaking to Press Trust of India, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said that India is unlikely to increase the number of Rafale fighters. The defence minister said that French-made jets were "way too expensive."
The Modi government has also questioned UPA for clearing the French fighter deal which was likely to cost the nation over USD 20 Billion.
"I also feel like having a BMW and Mercedes. But I don't because I can't afford it. First I can't afford it and second I don't need it. So, 126 Rafales was economically unviable. It was not required," Mr Parrikar said.
The proposal to buy 126 French Fighters fell through after nearly decade-long negotiations between India and France. Faced with the dipping number of Fighters, India decided to buy 36 "ready-to-fly" fighters instead of trying to acquire technology from Dassault and make it in India.
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-to-buy-36-rafale-jets-instead-of-126-says-defence-minister-manohar-parrikar-767499The Modi government has also questioned UPA for clearing the French fighter deal which was likely to cost the nation over USD 20 Billion.
"I also feel like having a BMW and Mercedes. But I don't because I can't afford it. First I can't afford it and second I don't need it. So, 126 Rafales was economically unviable. It was not required," Mr Parrikar said.
The proposal to buy 126 French Fighters fell through after nearly decade-long negotiations between India and France. Faced with the dipping number of Fighters, India decided to buy 36 "ready-to-fly" fighters instead of trying to acquire technology from Dassault and make it in India.
BlackLabel said:
911newbie said:
If I was a betting man I'd say the Rafale deal is dead. For one thing India cant afford it.
You were correct.Looks like they are buying 36 to save face and have no intention of buying anymore.
article said:
Earlier, speaking to Press Trust of India, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said that India is unlikely to increase the number of Rafale fighters. The defence minister said that French-made jets were "way too expensive."
The Modi government has also questioned UPA for clearing the French fighter deal which was likely to cost the nation over USD 20 Billion.
"I also feel like having a BMW and Mercedes. But I don't because I can't afford it. First I can't afford it and second I don't need it. So, 126 Rafales was economically unviable. It was not required," Mr Parrikar said.
The proposal to buy 126 French Fighters fell through after nearly decade-long negotiations between India and France. Faced with the dipping number of Fighters, India decided to buy 36 "ready-to-fly" fighters instead of trying to acquire technology from Dassault and make it in India.
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-to-buy-36-rafale-jets-instead-of-126-says-defence-minister-manohar-parrikar-767499The Modi government has also questioned UPA for clearing the French fighter deal which was likely to cost the nation over USD 20 Billion.
"I also feel like having a BMW and Mercedes. But I don't because I can't afford it. First I can't afford it and second I don't need it. So, 126 Rafales was economically unviable. It was not required," Mr Parrikar said.
The proposal to buy 126 French Fighters fell through after nearly decade-long negotiations between India and France. Faced with the dipping number of Fighters, India decided to buy 36 "ready-to-fly" fighters instead of trying to acquire technology from Dassault and make it in India.
15 months later, this is exactly what appears to have happened! Only 36 French-built planes (28 x single seater + 8 x two seater) are being ordered. A far cry from the original 18 French built + 108 HAL built planes (+ another 63 options) originally discussed. We could have sold them some EU-built Typhoons after all!
In light of today's Indian Air Force Mirage 2000 activities, I thought it would be interesting to revisit this thread 2 and a half years later. It now seems that both Boeing (F/A 18 Super Hornet) and Lockheed Martin (F16 aka "F-21" for India) are pitching to win Indian contracts (inc. Indian Navy for F/A 18) using transfer of technology options. The bi-annual Indian airshow has just ended and both companies were active. In a way we're back to square one and all possibilities are open.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/aero-in...
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/aero-in...
LotusOmega375D said:
In light of today's Indian Air Force Mirage 2000 activities, I thought it would be interesting to revisit this thread 2 and a half years later. It now seems that both Boeing (F/A 18 Super Hornet) and Lockheed Martin (F16 aka "F-21" for India) are pitching to win Indian contracts (inc. Indian Navy for F/A 18) using transfer of technology options. The bi-annual Indian airshow has just ended and both companies were active. In a way we're back to square one and all possibilities are open.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/aero-in...
It shows how good the fundamental design must have been if it can still be considered a front-line fighter 42 years later. Although, from an IAF point of view, it must be quite disappointing that they haven't got anything produced domestically which can compete.https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/aero-in...
Countdown said:
LotusOmega375D said:
In light of today's Indian Air Force Mirage 2000 activities, I thought it would be interesting to revisit this thread 2 and a half years later. It now seems that both Boeing (F/A 18 Super Hornet) and Lockheed Martin (F16 aka "F-21" for India) are pitching to win Indian contracts (inc. Indian Navy for F/A 18) using transfer of technology options. The bi-annual Indian airshow has just ended and both companies were active. In a way we're back to square one and all possibilities are open.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/aero-in...
It shows how good the fundamental design must have been if it can still be considered a front-line fighter 42 years later. Although, from an IAF point of view, it must be quite disappointing that they haven't got anything produced domestically which can compete.https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/aero-in...
Also interesting that the other loss has been confirmed to be one of their new Su-30's, and even more interestingly, both appeared to have been downed by PAF JF-17 Thunder's.
aeropilot said:
Well, their domestically designed and produced, HAL Tejas were due to be the replacement for the IAF MiG-21 fleet between 2014-2017, but I see that one of the two IAF aircraft lost in combat yesterday was indeed a MiG-21, so clearly the venerable old girl is still in front line use.
Also interesting that the other loss has been confirmed to be one of their new Su-30's, and even more interestingly, both appeared to have been downed by PAF JF-17 Thunder's.
Surpised that the Fishbed is still in frontline use - IIRC the IAF christened them "flying coffins" due to their safety recordAlso interesting that the other loss has been confirmed to be one of their new Su-30's, and even more interestingly, both appeared to have been downed by PAF JF-17 Thunder's.
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-the-MiG-21s-known-as...
Incidentally the JF-17 can trace its ancestry back to a cheap chinese knockoff of the original Mig-21, so it would be somewhat embarassing if it's bested a Flanker.
aeropilot said:
Well, their domestically designed and produced, HAL Tejas were due to be the replacement for the IAF MiG-21 fleet between 2014-2017, but I see that one of the two IAF aircraft lost in combat yesterday was indeed a MiG-21, so clearly the venerable old girl is still in front line use.
Also interesting that the other loss has been confirmed to be one of their new Su-30's, and even more interestingly, both appeared to have been downed by PAF JF-17 Thunder's.
Also interesting that the other loss has been confirmed to be one of their new Su-30's, and even more interestingly, both appeared to have been downed by PAF JF-17 Thunder's.
According to the Telegraph two Indian MiG 21 "Bison" aircraft were downed by PAF F16s...
Yertis said:
According to the Telegraph two Indian MiG 21 "Bison" aircraft were downed by PAF F16s...One IAF MiG-21 pilot that ejected has been identified as a IAF Wing Commander.
IanH755 said:
The photos from one crash show a helicopter tailboom and main gearbox with its support struts, so I'd not put much faith in the initial reports of the aircraft types involved being too accurate yet.
AIUIPakistanis claiming two fighters shot down
Indians claiming a plane and a Mi-17 helicopter both suffered mechanical failure
There is Mig-21 wreckage on the Pakistani side of the border and Mi-17 wreckage on the Indian side of the border. One IAF pilot has been captured.
Yertis said:
IanH755 said:
The photos from one crash show a helicopter tailboom and main gearbox with its support struts, so I'd not put much faith in the initial reports of the aircraft types involved being too accurate yet.
It's definitely a (squished) MiG 21 in one of the pics.Gassing Station | Boats, Planes & Trains | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff