Sale of Typhoon to India

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trashbat

6,005 posts

152 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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911newbie said:
I would sincerely hope that if the Typhoone deal doesn't come off that aid figure will drop to zero.

India has a space programme, we don't.
Their economy is usually listed at 8th and ours at 6th in the GDP rankings.
They are teh tenth biggest recipient of aid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_India

Surely the question is why are we supposedly providing humanitarian aid with one hand, and letting them spend vast amounts of money on weapons with the other?

mrloudly

2,815 posts

234 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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Ohh hang on... I thought business "sweeteners" are now illegal...

LotusOmega375D

7,581 posts

152 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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No-one's mentioned the one thing closest to all Indian decision-makers' hearts...


...the unit price.


Which plane is cheaper for them to buy?


Or which plane can they make themselves under licence for half price?

911newbie

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598 posts

259 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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trashbat said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_India

Surely the question is why are we supposedly providing humanitarian aid with one hand, and letting them spend vast amounts of money on weapons with the other?
Indeed there is a lot of poverty in India, it's the only place I've seen people carrying agricultural produce around in fields.
However ...
India has it's own aid programme - that is it gives away it's own cash to other countries.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/2011/...
India is engaging in an arms race with China
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/28/india-bu...
and the space programme

Which suggests to me they're not that bothered about their own poor ...

Bosshogg76

792 posts

182 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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6 Sqn are just away to Malaysia....on an excer...sales trip.

LotusOmega375D

7,581 posts

152 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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LotusOmega375D said:
No-one's mentioned the one thing closest to all Indian decision-makers' hearts...


...the unit price.


Which plane is cheaper for them to buy?


Or which plane can they make themselves under licence for half price?
Things are still dragging on. After an earlier announcement by the head of the IAF that a decision would be made by mid-November, this is not now likely.

The final official invitation to tender only opens at the end of next week for Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale. The total package price is a key issue (since the Indian Finance Ministry needs to sign it off), but apparently not the only deciding factor. The Procurement wallers need a few weeks to "do the math". I wouldn't expect a final decision until after Christmas and even then there may be further bureaucratic delays. Although I believe that the original tenders were only valid until 31.12.11, which may hurry things along. Don't hold your breath!

Eric Mc

121,785 posts

264 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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I hope you are not on the BAE sales team. The Indian "wallahs" won't like being called "wallers" smile

(They may not even like being called "wallahs" for that matter).

LotusOmega375D

7,581 posts

152 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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Eric Mc said:
I hope you are not on the BAE sales team. The Indian "wallahs" won't like being called "wallers" smile

(They may not even like being called "wallahs" for that matter).
Sorry about that. No I'm not in Defence but do work with Indians on a daily basis. They don't worry too much about the correct spelling of the English language!

Eric Mc

121,785 posts

264 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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I don't think "wallah" is English. It's probably Hindi or Urdu.

psgcarey

611 posts

161 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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F40LOUD said:
Not wanting to burst your bubble - but you forget radar clutter. If your aircraft has the same cross section as the surrounding clutter it poses problems. Birds can get up to 5000ft for instance regularly - I see them at this height sometimes at work - and lots of seagulls up to 1500ft. The F117 had a comparable X section that was even smaller. Are you going to scramble to intercept some seagulls in case they're a 5th gen fighter? It'll have to be a different technology, unrelated to radar.
Do you not just scramble to intercept the seagulls that are travelling at several hundred miles an hour?

KieronGSi

1,108 posts

203 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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Bosshogg76 said:
6 Sqn are just away to Malaysia....on an excer...sales trip.
My sister is with them, Apparently they're doing a few air shows while they are there.

tontoro

3,516 posts

242 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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psgcarey said:
Do you not just scramble to intercept the seagulls that are travelling at several hundred miles an hour?
I think if it were that simple then people wouldn't be bothering with stealth at all

randlemarcus

13,507 posts

230 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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Eric Mc said:
I don't think "wallah" is English. It's probably Hindi or Urdu.
Hindi, for man.

One of those not offensive but contextually sensitive words.

psgcarey

611 posts

161 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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tontoro said:
I think if it were that simple then people wouldn't be bothering with stealth at all
F40LOUD was replying to another post the gist of which was why the investment in new stealth fighters with a shelf life of 20-30 years when 10-15 years down the line a technology will pop up making them obosolete, and brought up the point about the radar cross-section of the aircraft being the same size as a seagull.

For all I know companies are working on technology to track hundred mile an hour seagulls but it is classified.

what is difficult now will be simple a few years down the line.

Mr_B

10,480 posts

242 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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Going a tad off topic, but still relevent, how did the Typhoon perform during operations over Libya, and will or won't this help sales ?

Bosshogg76

792 posts

182 months

Sunday 30th October 2011
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KieronGSi said:
My sister is with them, Apparently they're doing a few air shows while they are there.
I left the RAF when the cold war memorial squadron disbanded, I wonder if I know your sister as a lot of my mates ended up on 6.

KieronGSi

1,108 posts

203 months

Monday 31st October 2011
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Bosshogg76 said:
KieronGSi said:
My sister is with them, Apparently they're doing a few air shows while they are there.
I left the RAF when the cold war memorial squadron disbanded, I wonder if I know your sister as a lot of my mates ended up on 6.
Probably not as she's not with the squadron itself, just an adminer attached to them for the det from High Wycombe. Saying that she does seem to know the entire Airforce.

Mr Dave

3,233 posts

194 months

Monday 31st October 2011
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Mr_B said:
Going a tad off topic, but still relevent, how did the Typhoon perform during operations over Libya, and will or won't this help sales ?
How well did Rafale do as well.

Both done the looking grey and pointy thing rather well.

perdu

4,884 posts

198 months

Tuesday 1st November 2011
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Mr Dave said:
Mr_B said:
Going a tad off topic, but still relevent, how did the Typhoon perform during operations over Libya, and will or won't this help sales ?
How well did Rafale do as well.

Both done the looking grey and pointy thing rather well.
Hmm

From newsreel footageRafale seems to have done the leaping noisily off bobbing up-n-down boaty type thing and not landing in the rather wetstuff at the end of the task thing reasonably well. Not heard of any getting wet or bent.

I do think the Licence built thing will weigh in quite strongly.

Did Typhoon fare well I wonder?

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 1st November 2011
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perdu said:
Mr Dave said:
Mr_B said:
Going a tad off topic, but still relevent, how did the Typhoon perform during operations over Libya, and will or won't this help sales ?
How well did Rafale do as well.

Both done the looking grey and pointy thing rather well.
Hmm

From newsreel footage Rafale seems to have done the leaping noisily off bobbing up-n-down boaty type thing and not landing in the rather wetstuff at the end of the task thing reasonably well. Not heard of any getting wet or bent.

I do think the Licence built thing will weigh in quite strongly.

Did Typhoon fare well I wonder?
the platform is largely irrelevant in type of this conflict, they are effectively just delivery vans. the weapons system was far more important. Typhoons carried Paveway, Tonkas carried Brimstone.