Low Level B-17 at Duxford 1979

Low Level B-17 at Duxford 1979

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FourWheelDrift

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285 months

Monday 17th October 2011
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Sally B being flown by Don Bullock in the late 70s, plus his A-26 Invader that he was to later crash fatally at Biggin Hill in 1980.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ-nPbmFrm4


Eric Mc

122,071 posts

266 months

Monday 17th October 2011
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From some old slides. These are pictures I took of the Bullock B-26 taxying at Duxford in September 1978.






Dirty Frank

598 posts

155 months

Monday 17th October 2011
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Thanks for sharing gents.

Mr Dave

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196 months

Monday 17th October 2011
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When the aircraft manuals strictly forbid something like a roll, maybe you should take heed, it wasnt put in there for a bit of banter.

There are always pilots that know better though.

Ginetta G15 Girl

3,220 posts

185 months

Monday 17th October 2011
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The pilot involved was an accident waiting to happen and a supervisory nightmare.

Do the A-26 Pilots' Notes expressly forbid the Barrel Roll manoeuvre? Or was it yet another failure of a Rolling and Pitching manoeuvre at low level? I would have thought that the A-26 would have enough tail authority for a Roll if the initial pitch up is sufficiently exercised.

Either way, doing it with 7 other souls on board was criminally insane!

Mr Dave

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196 months

Monday 17th October 2011
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Ginetta G15 Girl said:
The pilot involved was an accident waiting to happen and a supervisory nightmare.

Do the A-26 Pilots' Notes expressly forbid the Barrel Roll manoeuvre? Or was it yet another failure of a Rolling and Pitching manoeuvre at low level? I would have thought that the A-26 would have enough tail authority for a Roll if the initial pitch up is sufficiently exercised.

Either way, doing it with 7 other souls on board was criminally insane!
Douglas Aircraft Corporation said:
Pilot's Handbook for Army Models A-26B and A-26C airplanes.
AN 01-40AJ-1
Section II, NORMAL OPERATING INSTRUCTIONS
Page 39.
FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS.
a. MANEUVERS PROHIBITED.
(1) Loops
(2) Spins
(3) Rolls
(4) Inverted Flight

Page 53
Paragraph 15.
ACROBATICS
Acrobatics are stictly prohibited.


T.O. 1A-26A-1 (Formerly T.O. 1B-26K-1)
Section 5, Operating Limitations
Page 5-5
PROHIBITED MANEUVERS
Spins or acrobatic maneuvers are prohibited.

MANEUVER LIMITATIONS

The symmetrical load factor capability is 4.4G from the minimum flying weight to 33,000 pounds, decreases linearly to 3.75G at 36,000 pounds, then is constant to the maximum gross weight. Etc. Etc.

The rolling pullout load factor capability is 3.2G from the minimum flying weight to 33,000 pounds, constant to the maximum gross weight.

Section VI, Flight Characteristics
Page 6-3
MANEUVERING FLIGHT

Acrobatics are prohibited in this aircraft.
Its my opinion that test pilots who write the aircraft notes dont put that sort of thing in for a bit of craic, there's usually a reason for it.

Zaxxon

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161 months

Monday 17th October 2011
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Like touch and go's in a Bristol Blenheim
Or extreme bank in a B-52 frown

Ginetta G15 Girl

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185 months

Monday 17th October 2011
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Mr Dave said:
Its my opinion that test pilots who write the aircraft notes don't put that sort of thing in for a bit of craic, there's usually a reason for it.
Thanks for that smile

I agree, it's a foolish pilot that chooses to believe he/she knows more than the TPs and willfully decides to go against the Aircrew Manual/Pilot's Notes.

There's plenty of other (and safer) ways to have a piece of craic!

Simpo Two

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266 months

Monday 17th October 2011
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Zaxxon said:
Like touch and go's in a Bristol Blenheim
Wasn't that a too-fast application of throttle, flooding the engine?

Ginetta G15 Girl

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185 months

Monday 17th October 2011
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Simpo Two said:
Wasn't that a too-fast application of throttle, flooding the engine?
It was a simulated asymmetric approach at Denham (not a 'Roller') followed by a slam acceleration of the throttle. The Pilots' notes for the Blenheim/Bolingbroke (actually it was the latter) specifically cautioned against such action since it would cause a 'Rich Cut' leading to the engine quitting.

Predictable results I'm afraid.

Zaxxon

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161 months

Monday 17th October 2011
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Rumours were that there was nearly a punch up between the engineer and pilot, the engineer knew of the warning and told the pilot, but the pilot ignored the advice repeatedly and destroyed a rare and wonderfull aeroplane.

aeropilot

34,682 posts

228 months

Monday 17th October 2011
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Zaxxon said:
Rumours were that there was nearly a punch up between the engineer and pilot, the engineer knew of the warning and told the pilot, but the pilot ignored the advice repeatedly and destroyed a rare and wonderfull aeroplane.
Said FE is now a respected pilot himself now of course... as well as still being a fine engineer.

The 3rd rebuild of the Blenheim is gathering pace, and last week, the jacks were removed and she stood on her own legs again.

Zaxxon

4,057 posts

161 months

Tuesday 18th October 2011
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Thats great to hear, do you think she will be ready for Flying Legends next year?

hidetheelephants

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194 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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Douglas Aircraft Corporation said:
No funny stuff or else.
I'm surprised at that, I always equated the A26 with the DH98 and pilots really flung those about.