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Simpo Two said:
Pray tell who is Mrs Gould?
A daft old leftie crone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbY9pTH8IW4Balmoral Green said:
Do keep up at the back.I can't say I had much time for Mrs Gould, I could never understand why she was held up as such a heroine. Can you imagine her trying to argue a point like that during WW2.
Well it's just that 'Thatcher' was a term of distaste used by those trendy 1980s alternative comedians - who curiously have now all shut up having experienced 13 years of what they thought was going to be paradise. And so now it reminds me of Jeremy 'one-joke' Hardy and all the other blabbermouthed twonks 
Simpo Two said:
Well it's just that 'Thatcher' was a term of distaste used by those trendy 1980s alternative comedians - who curiously have now all shut up having experienced 13 years of what they thought was going to be paradise. And so now it reminds me of Jeremy 'one-joke' Hardy and all the other blabbermouthed twonks
Simpo Two, I didn't know that, I know I've no really interest in politics but I do remember as a kid, 'Mrs T' 
getting a roasting from that Gould women.That ok? hope I'm forgiven for calling her 'Thatcher'
[is he laughing folks, is he laughing?]
Simpo Two said:
Well it's just that 'Thatcher' was a term of distaste used by those trendy 1980s alternative comedians - who curiously have now all shut up having experienced 13 years of what they thought was going to be paradise. And so now it reminds me of Jeremy 'one-joke' Hardy and all the other blabbermouthed twonks
Am I correct in thinking that you didn't vote for Mr Foot back in the day then? 
6fire said:
The stories I've heard are of both the US and the USSR supporting the UK on the QT. The Americans by selling us AIM9L missiles, allowing us use of Ascension and supplying an awful lot of fuel, and the USSR by having one of their submarines keeping the Argentinian Navy busy until the Royal Navy sailed south.
Certainly, at the UN conferences, the Argentinians didn't have a lot of public support from other nations.
The UK already had 9L missiles, mainly from europe, bodenseewerk were the manufacturer. They were already in service with the Phantom sqns at Wildenrath and a very good missile too.Certainly, at the UN conferences, the Argentinians didn't have a lot of public support from other nations.
DamienB said:
Those were reserved for NATO operations - it was only the Americans supplying additional ones that enabled them to be used in the Falklands. They even offered a carrier but we turned it down for various sensible reasons.
H`mm, that maybe, but I know that some "nato" 9L`s were sent to another theatre of ops, they came from an explosive storage facility where a mate of mine worked.steve j said:
DamienB said:
Those were reserved for NATO operations - it was only the Americans supplying additional ones that enabled them to be used in the Falklands. They even offered a carrier but we turned it down for various sensible reasons.
H`mm, that maybe, but I know that some "nato" 9L`s were sent to another theatre of ops, they came from an explosive storage facility where a mate of mine worked.
RobDickinson said:
All that steel would be worth a fortune scrap now!
Especially since I think a lot of it would be pre-nuclear testing "clean steel", which is what is now being salvaged from the German High Seas Fleet at Scapa Flow. Any steel made after the Trinity Test has small amounts of radioactivity in it- they need steel without that to make Geiger counters accurate.The big myths about the Belgrano are that it was a training ship manned with cadets and that it was too obsolete to be dangerous. Of course, both of these are completely untrue.
Indeed if the Belgrano group had got within gunnery range of the RN fleet it would have all turned rather messy I fear, 15 six inch guns firing every 10 seconds plus the escorts five inch guns versus the RN’s four and a half inch guns and a smattering of Exocet surface to surface missiles. Of course you would hope that before a fairly obvious enemy battle group got within 15nm of your carriers you would have detected and engaged them (either that or turned and run away).
Of course the even messier/more likely solution would have been had either of the two Argentine submarines encountered the carrier task group and correctly deployed there torpedoes (torpedo strike evidence would suggest that the SST4 torpedoes the Argentines did fire didn’t explode), the loss of Invincible would have significantly reduced the RN’s ability to continue the fight and the loss of Hermes would have been game over.
The third chance for the Argentine navy to have won the war in the South Atlantic would have been to have prosecuted a successful carrier launched strike against the RN carriers, a scenario that oh so nearly could have happened. Had it not been for the fact that the 2nd of May was unusually calm the Argentine A4’s would have been launched and closed to attack the RN carrier group, the chances are the Harriers would have been waiting for them though.
Of course the even messier/more likely solution would have been had either of the two Argentine submarines encountered the carrier task group and correctly deployed there torpedoes (torpedo strike evidence would suggest that the SST4 torpedoes the Argentines did fire didn’t explode), the loss of Invincible would have significantly reduced the RN’s ability to continue the fight and the loss of Hermes would have been game over.
The third chance for the Argentine navy to have won the war in the South Atlantic would have been to have prosecuted a successful carrier launched strike against the RN carriers, a scenario that oh so nearly could have happened. Had it not been for the fact that the 2nd of May was unusually calm the Argentine A4’s would have been launched and closed to attack the RN carrier group, the chances are the Harriers would have been waiting for them though.
AlexiusG55 said:
Especially since I think a lot of it would be pre-nuclear testing "clean steel", which is what is now being salvaged from the German High Seas Fleet at Scapa Flow. Any steel made after the Trinity Test has small amounts of radioactivity in it- they need steel without that to make Geiger counters accurate.
The big myths about the Belgrano are that it was a training ship manned with cadets and that it was too obsolete to be dangerous. Of course, both of these are completely untrue.
And more than ironic given it was the scrap dealers landing on South Georgia with armed Argentines that was a trigger point to the war.The big myths about the Belgrano are that it was a training ship manned with cadets and that it was too obsolete to be dangerous. Of course, both of these are completely untrue.
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