A touch windy at Manchester Airport yesterday
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captainflynn23 said:
Like you say, its nothing pilots cant handle.
I'm sure you're right...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfYfFKcTfDg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueJeC2pxxbM
matrignano said:
Pilot only managed to straighten the plan a few seconds before touching the ground.
It's not a case of "only managed to", it's intentional.When you fly a crabbed approach (pointing the nose of the aircraft in to the wind in order to maintain a straight ground track), if you kick it straight too early the wind will push you off course and in your case you'd be swimming to the arrivals hall (or possibly landing on it, not sure which rw was in use yesterday).
Flew in from Vancouver to Heathrow yesterday in an Airbus A330 and the winds were behind us giving a ground speed of 730mph on several occasions! We departed 45 minutes behind schedule due to the late incoming flight held up by the headwinds, but arrived 30 minutes early thanks to the shove from behind.
scarebus said:
shame there isn't more footage, the only one I could find is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGffxoe0tc
Dash8 Q4 at EDI
Bah, that's nothing, try working somewhere with a permanent crosswind...(well, not "permanent", closer to "more often than not")http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGffxoe0tc
Dash8 Q4 at EDI
captainflynn23 said:
mybrainhurts said:
Twice..? I'll go with the woman driver theory..
haha 
Yes, twice is acceptable. I remember back in the 90's listening to a flight trying to get into Luton when winds were gusting 60kts. They said if they couldnt make it down on the third attempt they'd divert to Stansted. They made it down safely.Coincidently that night heathrow was using runway 23 (rarely used apart from when we had southerly/southwesterly gales but has since been decommisioned as of 2005) and even they had a few go arounds, some of which went around over my house (I lived in Southall at the time)
mybrainhurts,
Im not sure what caused the Avro's heavy landing but I guess he could or maybe should of gone around!
The Lufthansa one always comes up
Interesting, I guess they were caught out by a strong gust! They managed to go around Sometimes as you get closer to the surface it becomes abit more turbulent, something I always had to deal with at Perranporth airfield.
I know someone mentioned being lifted out of their seat in turbulence. I've had that before too, while flying a plane! Its fun once you get used to it.
mattdaniels, all licensed pilots do exams that require use of the CRP1 or 5. I don't know if airline pilot's use them afterwards, i'll ask my mums partner once he returns from New Zealand.
onyx39, small world! I used to live on North Avenue, just off of the lady margaret road. There was always that smell from the nestles factory that seemed to come accross both hayes and southall and not long after you'd hear the first set of engines coming overhead! It was always good fun watching them come over on runway 23 with some pretty early go arounds. I remember seeing a Monarch B757 do an approach in the early 90's but that went around and didn't return (I assume it was either for gatwick or luton and managed to get into one of them in the end) It was certainly fun watching the B747's even get bounced around! Although Concorde always appeared as if it was making a nice and steady approach!
Im not sure what caused the Avro's heavy landing but I guess he could or maybe should of gone around!
The Lufthansa one always comes up
Interesting, I guess they were caught out by a strong gust! They managed to go around Sometimes as you get closer to the surface it becomes abit more turbulent, something I always had to deal with at Perranporth airfield.I know someone mentioned being lifted out of their seat in turbulence. I've had that before too, while flying a plane! Its fun once you get used to it.
mattdaniels, all licensed pilots do exams that require use of the CRP1 or 5. I don't know if airline pilot's use them afterwards, i'll ask my mums partner once he returns from New Zealand.
onyx39, small world! I used to live on North Avenue, just off of the lady margaret road.
There was always that smell from the nestles factory that seemed to come accross both hayes and southall and not long after you'd hear the first set of engines coming overhead! It was always good fun watching them come over on runway 23 with some pretty early go arounds. I remember seeing a Monarch B757 do an approach in the early 90's but that went around and didn't return (I assume it was either for gatwick or luton and managed to get into one of them in the end) It was certainly fun watching the B747's even get bounced around! Although Concorde always appeared as if it was making a nice and steady approach!captainflynn23 said:
mybrainhurts,
Im not sure what caused the Avro's heavy landing but I guess he could or maybe should of gone around!
The Lufthansa one always comes up Interesting, I guess they were caught out by a strong gust! They managed to go around Sometimes as you get closer to the surface it becomes abit more turbulent, something I always had to deal with at Perranporth airfield.
I know someone mentioned being lifted out of their seat in turbulence. I've had that before too, while flying a plane! Its fun once you get used to it.
mattdaniels, all licensed pilots do exams that require use of the CRP1 or 5. I don't know if airline pilot's use them afterwards, i'll ask my mums partner once he returns from New Zealand.
onyx39, small world! I used to live on North Avenue, just off of the lady margaret road. There was always that smell from the nestles factory that seemed to come accross both hayes and southall and not long after you'd hear the first set of engines coming overhead! It was always good fun watching them come over on runway 23 with some pretty early go arounds. I remember seeing a Monarch B757 do an approach in the early 90's but that went around and didn't return (I assume it was either for gatwick or luton and managed to get into one of them in the end) It was certainly fun watching the B747's even get bounced around! Although Concorde always appeared as if it was making a nice and steady approach!
The approach by the Lufty by all accounts was being flown by a First Officer right at the beginning of their line training (flights a new trainee have with a training captain).Im not sure what caused the Avro's heavy landing but I guess he could or maybe should of gone around!
The Lufthansa one always comes up
Interesting, I guess they were caught out by a strong gust! They managed to go around Sometimes as you get closer to the surface it becomes abit more turbulent, something I always had to deal with at Perranporth airfield.I know someone mentioned being lifted out of their seat in turbulence. I've had that before too, while flying a plane! Its fun once you get used to it.
mattdaniels, all licensed pilots do exams that require use of the CRP1 or 5. I don't know if airline pilot's use them afterwards, i'll ask my mums partner once he returns from New Zealand.
onyx39, small world! I used to live on North Avenue, just off of the lady margaret road.
There was always that smell from the nestles factory that seemed to come accross both hayes and southall and not long after you'd hear the first set of engines coming overhead! It was always good fun watching them come over on runway 23 with some pretty early go arounds. I remember seeing a Monarch B757 do an approach in the early 90's but that went around and didn't return (I assume it was either for gatwick or luton and managed to get into one of them in the end) It was certainly fun watching the B747's even get bounced around! Although Concorde always appeared as if it was making a nice and steady approach!And no we do not use the CRP5, like a lot of skills you learn at 'school' once you get out in the real world they don't have much relevance!
captainflynn23 said:
During training back in 2005 I flew out of Perranporth with an instructor with winds gusting up to 50kts. Very very challenging.
From my neck of the woods. Pretty certain it's no longer operational now though. captainflynn23 said:
Snip...
And every pilot has been taught from day one - if you're not happy with the approach, go around. Its the right and safe thing to do.
Except for glider pilots! And every pilot has been taught from day one - if you're not happy with the approach, go around. Its the right and safe thing to do.
I spent my youth at Predannack - wind around the cliffs and often whipped up through the channel is great fun!Burrito,
Perranporth is still active. If I remember correctly shortly after I moved to Milton keynes in 2007 the airfield was purchased by the owner of JAG phone shops but the airfield remained active with the flying school and a new hangar. I think the gliding club is still there too.
Ahh yes Predannack! I only ever really scooted over there on a handful of occasions! I bet the gliding there was a great challenge!
Perranporth is still active.
If I remember correctly shortly after I moved to Milton keynes in 2007 the airfield was purchased by the owner of JAG phone shops but the airfield remained active with the flying school and a new hangar. I think the gliding club is still there too.Ahh yes Predannack! I only ever really scooted over there on a handful of occasions! I bet the gliding there was a great challenge!
That's good news. I've not seen gliders for a good couple of years though. I think the JAG owner also had a race team (part of the btcc support races), I like his style!
Predannack was great; literally 4 seasons in one day most weekends! I've only done 25 hours powered flight (RAF scholarship many moons ago) so not a great judge, but the simplicity and quiet of my gliding career is something I miss greatly. Need to get back on the staff down there.
Predannack was great; literally 4 seasons in one day most weekends! I've only done 25 hours powered flight (RAF scholarship many moons ago) so not a great judge, but the simplicity and quiet of my gliding career is something I miss greatly. Need to get back on the staff down there.
scarebus said:
shame there isn't more footage, the only one I could find is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGffxoe0tc
Dash8 Q4 at EDI
Similarly, a typical day at LBA...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGffxoe0tc
Dash8 Q4 at EDI
http://youtu.be/LAljM7CaY10
captainflynn23 said:
... Although Concorde always appeared as if it was making a nice and steady approach!
Unless it was trying to land at LBA...http://youtu.be/79LE4ty_gkM
mybrainhurts said:
Spent an hour under the approach to Manchester Airport yesterday, sitting in the car as the wind howled away.
It was quite interesting. I'm guessing there were a few brown trousers up there..
No names, but one :coughRyanAircough: aircraft took three attempts to get it on the deck. Coming from Bergamo. Anybody here on board?
The A380 coming in sideways is quite a sight...
It was quite interesting. I'm guessing there were a few brown trousers up there..
No names, but one :coughRyanAircough: aircraft took three attempts to get it on the deck. Coming from Bergamo. Anybody here on board?
The A380 coming in sideways is quite a sight...
We had a 'lively' approach on Tuesday, coming in from Philadelphia on an A330-300. We got a good shove over, doing the trip in 5h05m. We were so early they didn't have a gate ready for us, so we ended up out in the sticks at the far end.A slight 'Dab of oppo' indeed.
MitchT said:
Similarly, a typical day at LBA...
http://youtu.be/LAljM7CaY10
I thought that was going to touch-down like a helicopter! http://youtu.be/LAljM7CaY10
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