Costa Concordia What will happen to it now?

[XJSJohn]

Jaguar steve said:

Simpo Two said:

Jaguar steve said:

You weren't helping out with navigation on a day trip to France were you? I know you river cruising types tend to get lost if the bank is more than twenty feet away

Now you mention it it did seem to take a long time to get to the other side...

I was surprised that a channel ferry was up to a semi-circumnavigation of the world; didn't think they were designed for ocean crossings.

Providing there's enough beer on board you can sail almost anything almost anywhere with seamanship and batten down the hatches heavy weather handling skills. Apart perhaps from the enough beer on board bit that's somthing else you river cruisng types... oh never mind

with common sense, and as mentioned, enough beer, no worries. I seem to recall that the sea cat was built in Tasmania and found its way to the UK under its own steam!!!

[Simpo Two]

XJSJohn said:

It will probably be patched, and dragged to a yard somewhere in Asia, where it will be refitted and a Casino ship and put into operation somewhere in Asia

Prison hulk or home for asylum seekers would be an other idea. Might fail the PC test though.

[fatboy69]

I would guess that the Captains career at sea is now what is commonly known as fked!!!

Even if he should be found not guilty of whatever charges the Italians throw at him who would employ him & who would want to sail under his command?

There are so many stories around at the moment it is difficult to know who or what to believe however he will be forever tainted with the accident, rightly or wrongly, in the coming years.

If his career has come to an end what a terrible way to finish your days at sea.

Edited by fatboy69 on Wednesday 18th January 11:39

[AlexiusG55]

XJSJohn said:

with common sense, and as mentioned, enough beer, no worries. I seem to recall that the sea cat was built in Tasmania and found its way to the UK under its own steam!!!

One of those big catamaran ferries actually holds the speed record for transatlantic crossing by a passenger vessel.

[Simpo Two]

So he went off course, crashed into a rock saying 'it wasn't there last time guv' and then legged it leaving the passengers to fend for themselves.

The only boat he'll be driving in future will have a Hoseasons logo on the front, and I hope I don't meet him coming the other way.

(In fact I think I might have done in 2010!)

[Krikkit]

BBC now have a bit more info on the route of the ship, and a previous course from last year that the ship took: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16607837

GPS data shows the course of the ship to be a bit erratic; I would say it's most likely they hit the rock, altered course out to sea a touch while they checked the damage, and once it became clear the ship was in real trouble (and not just an expensive mishap), doubled back towards the port.

[DWS]

Being a pedant & also in the shipping industry it does p**s me off when the vessel is quoted as being/having “115000 tonnes”. She doesn’t, she has a Gross Tonnage (Which is a measurement of volume not weight – Which is derived from the amount of wine “Tuns” that could be carried in the hold of a vessel) of 115000 or rather actually 110000GT. Her Dead weight is 10000 tonnes i.e. weight.

Pedant mode off.

OP I was wondering exactly the same as you earlier today.

[scarebus]

DWS said:

Being a pedant & also in the shipping industry it does p**s me off when the vessel is quoted as being/having “115000 tonnes”. She doesn’t, she has a Gross Tonnage (Which is a measurement of volume not weight – Which is derived from the amount of wine “Tuns” that could be carried in the hold of a vessel) of 115000 or rather actually 110000GT. Her Dead weight is 10000 tonnes i.e. weight.

Pedant mode off.

OP I was wondering exactly the same as you earlier today.

Oh she is a feather then, well one that is 1000ft long and weighs about 115,000 tonnes AS SHE IS FULL OF WATER!!!

[DWS]

She might be one of the largest cruise vessels but she is quite small in terms of dead weight when compared to Large Tankers/bulk carriers. CRuise vessels have large Gross Tonnages because of all the cabins/open areas. basicly they are full of air. It's not the water weight of water in her now that the press etc are quoting. It's the Vessels/Ships Particulars from sources shuch as Lloyds that are being used. I guess it makes it even more dramatic (not that it isn't already extremly tragic) if people are given high numbers to think about.

[Huntsman]

DWS said:

Being a pedant & also in the shipping industry it does p**s me off when the vessel is quoted as being/having “115000 tonnes”. She doesn’t, she has a Gross Tonnage (Which is a measurement of volume not weight – Which is derived from the amount of wine “Tuns” that could be carried in the hold of a vessel) of 115000 or rather actually 110000GT. Her Dead weight is 10000 tonnes i.e. weight.

Her displacement is 10000 tonnes?

[MOTORVATOR]

Huntsman said:

DWS said:

Being a pedant & also in the shipping industry it does p**s me off when the vessel is quoted as being/having “115000 tonnes”. She doesn’t, she has a Gross Tonnage (Which is a measurement of volume not weight – Which is derived from the amount of wine “Tuns” that could be carried in the hold of a vessel) of 115000 or rather actually 110000GT. Her Dead weight is 10000 tonnes i.e. weight.

Her displacement is 10000 tonnes?

I'd say not.

Length 290m
Beam 36m
Draft 8m

Take it as a box and that would be 83,500m3 so a logical guess would be around 40,000m3 or 40,000 tonnes give or take 10,000 tonnes.

Edit: more googling reveals displacement figures of 51387t and deadweights (carrying capacity) varying from 10,000 to 11,000t so assuming the displacement figures are lightweight (unloaded) as they should be we can ascertain that the ship would weigh 51,387t empty and 62,000ish tonnes fully loaded with fuel, water, provisions, pax etc.

Or maybe a little lighter if the captain has left early.

Edited by MOTORVATOR on Wednesday 18th January 20:13

[Bacardi]

MOTORVATOR said:

Simpo Two said:

It does seem odd how Western captains generally do the 'women and children first' and are last to leave, whilst those from certain other countries simply leg it on the first lifeboat...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/i...

Your opinions on this matter are duly noted and Bacardi and I will take comfort in this when invited on board HMS Simpo.












If I wear a skirt can I go before Bacardi?

So the rumours about your weekend habits are true?

But yes, def good to know we can evacuate before the skipper. I don't think he's mastered the sextant yet, so we could end up anywhere.

[Simpo Two]

Motorvator and Bacardi just before the order to 'abandon ship':





Equipment-wise I have an antique octant, and a boomerang. I use the octant to knock out kangaroos; not sure what the boomerang is for.

Edited by Simpo Two on Wednesday 18th January 23:09

[badgers_back]

spitfire-ian said:

Huntsman said:

I think the ship that fell over at Zeebrugge was in service for many years later.

No, after the salvage it was renamed Flushing Range and towed off to be scrapped.

There is a possibly apocryphal story that as compensation some of the people were offered and accepted a cruise with P&O. One day during the cruise in the med they open the curtains to see another ship in the harbour.

Yes you've guessed it Flushing Range.....

[Huntsman]

Huntsman said:

DWS said:

Being a pedant & also in the shipping industry it does p**s me off when the vessel is quoted as being/having “115000 tonnes”. She doesn’t, she has a Gross Tonnage (Which is a measurement of volume not weight – Which is derived from the amount of wine “Tuns” that could be carried in the hold of a vessel) of 115000 or rather actually 110000GT. Her Dead weight is 10000 tonnes i.e. weight.

Her displacement is 10000 tonnes?

So now Wikipedia is back up, her registered tonnage, a notional expression of ability to carry goods is 114,500 GT, he displacement, ie the amount she'd weigh on a massive set of bathroom scales, the weight that the salvors are trying to deal with (plus water inside!) is 51,387 metric tonnes.

I'd call that heavy-ish.

[RedLeicester]

Smit do seem to be the default in these gigs. They must be getting a bit bored of it by now! At least the Kursk had the excitment of things wot blow up.

[Popeyed]

SlipStream77 said:

Presumably the captain will have indemnity insurance as well as the company? Anyone know for how much he would be covered?

Captains don't have their own insurance.

Insurance is per vessel and will basically comprise of the following:

Hull and Machinery cover (i.e. damage to, or loss of the ship) Carnival have a $30 million excess on their hull and machinery policy.

P&I cover (Protection and Indemnity insurance), Carnival have a $10 million deductible (excess), the next $8 million will be covered by two London P&I Clubs, The Standard and Steamship Mutual. P&I cover above this is provided by all 13 P&I Clubs in the International Group of P&I Clubs up to a limit of $64 million, then the rest is covered by re-insurance. P&I would cover the cost of, for example, repatriating passengers and compensating them, and if the vessel is declared a total loss, then P&I will have to cover the cost of wreck removal.

K&R cover (Kidnap and Ransom insurance; pretty self expanatory really)

[anonymous-user]

2 questions for our more nautically informed posters (assuming you aren't all too busy Avasting or shivering your timbers of what ever else you lot get up to ;-)

1) why did the vessel seem to have listed towards the undamged side of the hull?? (perhaps that should be "seemingly undamaged" side and i assume there isn't sufficient "cargo" to cause a mass imbalance like on a RO-RO for example??)

2) When the seriousness of the situation became apparent, wouldn't it have been a good idea to drive the tub up the beach bows on in the hope it would settle on an even keel??

[Chrisgr31]

Not a nautical chap but from by reading of the news etc the suspicion is that it went over that side because thats the direction the captian turned to try and get it to the shore.

As regards the beach you'd need a sandy beach for your suggestion and I dont know where the nearest sandy beach was!

[jamiebae]

I think it was the boaty equivalent of body roll that turned it over, with all the water sloshing around in the hull and the driver making a hard turn towards the harbour