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Mr Ass
17 posts
21 months
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AshVX220 said: Hiya, I left the dockyard before you probably (1330) to get back on the hill. When I left she was probably halfway out. from what I saw this morning (from quite a distance, I must admit) she looked all out. Monday will be an awsome sight, I'm on leave and have decided to have lunch at the Still and West.  I dont think you'll be alone in there. Ill find out exactly when it'll be leaving when im in tomorrow, although. If getting the barge out goes anything like it was coming in. It could all go to s  t anyway.
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AshVX220
1,817 posts
60 months
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Mr Ass said: I dont think you'll be alone in there. Ill find out exactly when it'll be leaving when im in tomorrow, although. If getting the barge out goes anything like it was coming in. It could all go to s t anyway. Oh, did they have fun and games getting it through the docks?
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Mr Ass
17 posts
21 months
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AshVX220 said: Oh, did they have fun and games getting it through the docks? Plenty. D lock will need new hand rails in all 4 corners now i reckon. Especially with it sitting much, much lower with lbo2 on it. Its certaintly a squeeze getting it through. It'll be a hell of a show if its windy on monday
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Wedg1e
22,808 posts
135 months
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doogz said: Yeah I left out stuff not designed to kill. ...so the University class then. 
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hidetheelephants
5,703 posts
63 months
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Odie said: Highly unlikely I would think, cant really see how they would work in a defensive role. Can they even carry any anti-ship weapons? How would an apache fair against a fast jet or anti-missile (cruise or otherwise)? ASW? Hellfire can presumably be fired at a ship just as easily as a tank, but the size of the warhead probably makes it a pointless exercise on anything other than small craft, ditto the cannon and FFAR. Attack helicopters have no business being anywhere we don't have at least air superiority, as they are extremely vulnerable to being shot down.
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rhinochopig
16,135 posts
68 months
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hidetheelephants said: Odie said: Highly unlikely I would think, cant really see how they would work in a defensive role. Can they even carry any anti-ship weapons? How would an apache fair against a fast jet or anti-missile (cruise or otherwise)? ASW? Hellfire can presumably be fired at a ship just as easily as a tank, but the size of the warhead probably makes it a pointless exercise on anything other than small craft, ditto the cannon and FFAR. Attack helicopters have no business being anywhere we don't have at least air superiority, as they are extremely vulnerable to being shot down. One word "Airwolf".
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AshVX220
1,817 posts
60 months
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hidetheelephants said: Hellfire can presumably be fired at a ship just as easily as a tank, but the size of the warhead probably makes it a pointless exercise on anything other than small craft, ditto the cannon and FFAR. Attack helicopters have no business being anywhere we don't have at least air superiority, as they are extremely vulnerable to being shot down. Ships no longer have armour plating like tanks, so I would imagine if you could get the helo close enough a Hellfire into a ship could ruin your day pretty well.
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AshVX220
1,817 posts
60 months
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Mr Ass said: AshVX220 said: Oh, did they have fun and games getting it through the docks? Plenty. D lock will need new hand rails in all 4 corners now i reckon. Especially with it sitting much, much lower with lbo2 on it. Its certaintly a squeeze getting it through. It'll be a hell of a show if its windy on monday I really hope they don't have any problems. 
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Godalmighty83
221 posts
124 months
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AshVX220 said: Ships no longer have armour plating like tanks, so I would imagine if you could get the helo close enough a Hellfire into a ship could ruin your day pretty well. Especially if you are hunting pirates or nut-jobs trying to sneak in and ram you with a explosive laden raft etc. Unless they can get a sea-skua mounted on for slightly bigger targets.
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Mr Ass
17 posts
21 months
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AshVX220 said: I really hope they don't have any problems. Theres plenty that can go wrong. And alot of it could happen very easily
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Alex200mph
509 posts
135 months
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TheForceV4
440 posts
57 months
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Alex200mph said: Crikey, So not ready for a while yet then.
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maffski
394 posts
29 months
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Alex200mph said: Bloomin eck, I think I know whats gone wrong.. Article said: The lines of code necessary for the JSF’s capabilities have now grown to over 24 million—9.5 million on board the aircraft. By comparison, JSF has about 3 times more on-board software lines of code than the F-22A Raptor and 6 times more than the F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet.
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rhinochopig
16,135 posts
68 months
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Time to buy F-18s then?
The code required is likely to be classed as a minimum of SIL2, but more likely SIL3 given IEC 61508 defines the D (damage classification) as failure equalling fatality of a 'few'.
SIL3 Safety Critical software seems to cost ~ 30-300 dollars per line of code to verify and validate based on a quick google. That's going to cost a LOT of money to V&V.
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hidetheelephants
5,703 posts
63 months
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rhinochopig said: Time to buy F-18s then?
The code required is likely to be classed as a minimum of SIL2, but more likely SIL3 given IEC 61508 defines the D (damage classification) as failure equalling fatality of a 'few'.
SIL3 Safety Critical software seems to cost ~ 30-300 dollars per line of code to verify and validate based on a quick google. That's going to cost a LOT of money to V&V. If LM get their way, we won't get a look at any of it; frankly in that case they can take their aircraft and insert it rectally sideways. Being dicked by LM every time you want a software modification is not something we want to be signing up for.
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hidetheelephants
5,703 posts
63 months
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AshVX220 said: hidetheelephants said: Hellfire can presumably be fired at a ship just as easily as a tank, but the size of the warhead probably makes it a pointless exercise on anything other than small craft, ditto the cannon and FFAR. Attack helicopters have no business being anywhere we don't have at least air superiority, as they are extremely vulnerable to being shot down. Ships no longer have armour plating like tanks, so I would imagine if you could get the helo close enough a Hellfire into a ship could ruin your day pretty well. True, but if the ship has a AD system(or is in a group defended by a T45 or something) that can reach beyond 6 miles the Apache is toast; there is no defilade at sea!
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Mojocvh
12,903 posts
132 months
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hidetheelephants said: AshVX220 said: hidetheelephants said: Hellfire can presumably be fired at a ship just as easily as a tank, but the size of the warhead probably makes it a pointless exercise on anything other than small craft, ditto the cannon and FFAR. Attack helicopters have no business being anywhere we don't have at least air superiority, as they are extremely vulnerable to being shot down. Ships no longer have armour plating like tanks, so I would imagine if you could get the helo close enough a Hellfire into a ship could ruin your day pretty well. True, but if the ship has a AD system(or is in a group defended by a T45 or something) that can reach beyond 6 miles the Apache is toast; there is no defilade at sea! Oh rielly 
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annodomini2
4,804 posts
121 months
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rhinochopig said: Time to buy F-18s then?
The code required is likely to be classed as a minimum of SIL2, but more likely SIL3 given IEC 61508 defines the D (damage classification) as failure equalling fatality of a 'few'.
SIL3 Safety Critical software seems to cost ~ 30-300 dollars per line of code to verify and validate based on a quick google. That's going to cost a LOT of money to V&V. All Aerospace has to meet DO-178B, which is the equivalent of SIL4.
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Godalmighty83
221 posts
124 months
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New blog update from the programme director, not containing much new info those of us who have been keeping track of things but interesting none the less. http://www.aircraftcarrieralliance.co.uk/en/delive...Also a quick nod to the type 26 programme in there as well.
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Odie
3,694 posts
52 months
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Godalmighty83 said: AshVX220 said: Ships no longer have armour plating like tanks, so I would imagine if you could get the helo close enough a Hellfire into a ship could ruin your day pretty well. Especially if you are hunting pirates or nut-jobs trying to sneak in and ram you with a explosive laden raft etc. Unless they can get a sea-skua mounted on for slightly bigger targets. A couple of apaches carrying torps at sea level and another with minimum load at max altitude designating targets. But as an anti-pirate platform they are perfect and scary as f k.
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